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Unable to teach error in the matter of faith and morals. It’s a gift from the Holy Spirit.
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this is a very sad statement. for we as catholic we believe that Jesus did not leave us and He never will for that He promised us. and He said that He would send the Spirit who would lead His church into all truth. therefore we have no doubt whatsoever as catholics that we are being led by truth, not only believe but we are sure of that because of what Jesus promised.i sure wish that was the case. Having an infallible interpreted would sure be helpful at times. To bad there is not one.
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Protestant101
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That’s a laugh! Who’s trying to corner who here? I am defending my positions, stating what I believe. if that “corners” you; then you better get on that boat with Karl and the apologetics crew so that you can corner me!! Every word I say anywhere here at CA is dissected with a fine-tooth comb by “educated” Catholics; yet you have failed to actually prove anything definitive in your rantings about Protestants.
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I wonder why no one thought of SDA theology prior to 1844?
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justasking4
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Where is this “gift from the Holy Spirit” spoken of for the leaders of the church in the NT?
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Lampo
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Oh, you must think Catholics go by the unbiblical doctrine of sola scriptura. Just so you know, we do not.
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You misunderstand this passage. Jesus never promised He would lead His church into all the truth but that He said this to His disciples. See John 16:13. Look at the context and you will see no reference to the church but to the disciples scpecifically. This “truth” is the NT.
This cannot be sustained by the facts.
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Matt. 16:18 - Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.
Matt. 16:19 - for Jesus to give Peter and the apostles, mere human beings, the authority to bind in heaven what they bound on earth requires infallibility. This is a gift of the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with the holiness of the person receiving the gift.
Matt. 18:17-18 - the Church (not Scripture) is the final authority on questions of the faith. This demands infallibility when teaching the faith. She must be prevented from teaching error in order to lead her members to the fullness of salvation.
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Based on your fallible interpretation?
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justasking4
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I know. Now can you show me in Scripture where this gift is spoken of or is it in some kind of Sacred Tradition that cannot be shown?
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Lampo
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Please see above. BTW, happy St. Patrick’s day!
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Protestant101
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It’s actually not true that no one thought of it before that date. Boy are you ever off-center on that one.:bounce:
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Really? I’m not that informed on SDA to be honest. I just thought it was founded in 1844 by some woman by the last name White. Am I wrong?
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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to address this:Here’ what we can agree on. Christ is the source of all the scriptures. I would think most Christians would believe this. As for theological systems we would have to know which system incorporates the most scripture in its system. Since this is a Roman Catholic forum we can ask was His theological system Roman Catholic? I think we can safely say it was not for the mere fact He never taught the marian doctrines, purgatory, celibate leadership, penance, praying to dead saints, the rosary and many other Roman Catholic doctrines or practices.
Now we can look at which protestant theological system best adheres to the Scriptures. That would require a large thread to work with. Hope this helps…
I would say that since He followed the 10 Commandments he Honored Mary.
since he and most of the Apostles were celibate he lead by example.
he went up on the mountian and Talked to 2 that we know of Moses and Elijah.
please find one pray of the Rosary that is opposed to biblical teaching
not by name but is there if you read with a open mind.
I think that depended on your understanding of the word or the way of doing penance. As for me It is making a more out right effort to kindness to other even when I do not feel Like it. Taking time I would normally spend relaxing at home or with friends as time for prayer and devotion out side the normaly times i have. it is not punishment per se .
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wisdomseeker
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what about this one: “the Church is the Pillar and bullwark of all truth.”
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Protestant101
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You are way off-track on that.
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Lampo
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Who thought of if it prior to 1844 and why isn’t that person credited with starting your sect?
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Okay. Like I said, I haven’t done a lot of research on this new denomination.You are way off-track on that.
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Protestant101
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FYI; you can find a brief history of our denomination here. You can read a summary of our beliefs here.
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guanophore
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No, ja4, it is not. A paintbrush does not have mind, heart, and will. A paintbrush is not made in the image and likeness of God.
Yes, Bod led the Church to discover the canon of the NT, but it was a cooperative venture. The Bishops and scholars studied, prayed and discussed until they had a consensus. What blows my mind is that you can acknowlege that God is able to work through fallible men to write and preserve the scripture, but you don’t believe He is able to show them how to interpret it!
It is both, ja4, since the painting cannot be completed without the artist. Scripture clearly shows that this is the HS working through MEN.
"because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
2 Peter 1:20-21
They submitted their whole heart, mind, soul and strength to God, and the impulse of God worked through them. This is the same way the Magesterium works to this day.
Indeed, and paintbrushes don’t “work out”.
Yes! And men, Catholic men, moved by the HS chose between them to define for us what was inspired-inerrant.
Well, since the Catholics produced all of it, then doesn’t that account for 100%?
Such statements are a mark of bigotry, and demonstrate that you still have not incorporated that the Roman Rite is only one of 23 Rites in the Catholic church. This forum is not just “Roman”. The 'Roman" doctrine is no different than the doctrine in the other Rites.
But, He did! He did this the same way He guided the Church to develop the doctrine of the Trinity, the Sabbath observance, the hypostatic union, and the canon of scripture! Or, if not, at what point, after all those things you do accept were done, did Jesus abandon His promise to remain with the disciples until the end of the age?
Feel free to open one!Now we can look at which protestant theological system best adheres to the Scriptures. That would require a large thread to work with. Hope this helps…
This is true, but none of them were founded by Christ Himself!
This doesn’t make any sense. You say you agree that God is not the God of the dead, but of the living, then you basically insinuate that the saints are dead?
Do you think God raised Moses and Elijah from the dead to have a chat with Jesus, then sent them back into “soul sleep”?Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
Jesus commissioned the apostles with Authority to teach, and make disciples. He commanded them to “teach all”. He promised to be with them until the close of the age. This is necessary so that the teaching remains pure. Jesus is able to effect His commandments, ja4. He is not so weak as you seem to think.
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