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LetsTalk237
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It’s always funny everytime I hear that from a non-denominational attendee.
But then where do they all meet in??? A Church!!
Second of all, I’m pretty sure that it says in the bible that Jesus built our church.
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But then where do they all meet in??? A Church!!
Second of all, I’m pretty sure that it says in the bible that Jesus built our church.
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andrewstx
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Last night I went to a Lenten series at an Episcopal church. That is the American versionof the CofE.Plenty of protestant denominations are actually catholic. They are all Christian.
so it be wise to have a chat to the pastor and get to know, so that you can sort out your thoughts a bit more rather than just guess work.
It can be hard to to break what you have previously been taught.
Sadly too many change over to other denominations within Christianity because they have fallen out with the specific church over something.
I can be hard to understand where he is coming from because you have no background of what he is saying. Some one else walking into RC church would experience very similar to you in that it be natural to think that the priest/pastor is wrong because it would sound wrong and unfamiliar to their ears. That doesn’t make it wrong. plus if we have gone with misgivings then we are more than likely be hearing the faults too easily.
If you really want to understand the denomination that you attended then ask that pastor about what he said before assuming and letting others on here guide you into thinking he is wrong when they weren’t actually there to hear him and we all know what it like trying to report back accurately on something and is even harder when we have no real idea what has been said. So if you really want to know, contact the pastor and not split hairs about the differences here please
It was based on a video of Anglican bishop T J Wright and that was OK. But the discussion following was bad and and made me angry.
They were angry about the Catholic rules about Holy Communion.
Apparently Episcopalians will give the Eucharist to anyone who comes to the rail,and they hated the close communion of the Catholic church.
Several defied our rules and recieved communion anyway.
How was that respect?
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Stilldreamn
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They are fortunate they aren’t Lutheran. Half of us won’t commune the the other half. And some won’t pray with most of us.
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Nicea325
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Heretical belief. How can one have a relationship with Jesus and exclude His Church? False premise.
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AquinasGambit
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Does this particular church have a website with a sermon archive? I sure would love to hear the sermon in question, to get a better idea of what, exactly, was said.
Getting upset, of course, is quite natural in circumstances like this. Aside from experienced debaters or those who attend lectures, folks are not particularly used to being in atmospheres where their core beliefs are being challenged in a long presentation. In cases like this, where the speaker may be exceptionally insulated in his views, getting angry is rather easy.
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Anna_Scott
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andrewstx,
That is very disrespectful and taking Communion in a deceitful manner is spiritually dangerous for those who do so.
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience. Not all Episcopalians are like those you encountered. Our Anglo Catholic Rector speaks of Catholicism with respect; even quotes Popes and Catholic authors in his lessons and sermons from time to time. He also quotes Orthodox writers and incorporates Orthodox prayers.
In reading through current threads about people visiting Churches; it seems there are a lot of angry Christians. Not sure what is going on. When Christians attack and fight with other Christians, our witness and call to spread the Gospel suffers. Whatever happened to “love one another”? Seems to have gone out of style.
Peace,
Anna
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Link0126
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should have rolled out on em in my opinion.
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7_Sorrows
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i once went to a seminar being held in our small city about end times. at first i didn’t know it was being put on by the 7th day adventists. the seminar lasted several weeks.
there were a few other catholics from my church who were also attending. i won one of their Bibles in a raffle they held each week. the seminar was interesting until we got to John Hus and then the Catholic bashing began. and it didn’t stop. i was pretty shocked and angered. the man leading the seminar knew there were Catholics in attendance because we had to fill out a form. these people were nice and i have heard of anti-Catholicism, but this was the first time i ever sat somewhere and had the man saying so many bad things about the Catholic church. none of us walked out. we were all women.
one woman never went back. another woman’s father had been a 7th Day Adventist and she continued to come. i stayed away for a week or two, but returned for the last night.
i was curious i guess. anyhow, there was no way i was going to join and i really didn’t even feel like i got an answer about the end times.
i have never been to a protestant service that bashes the Catholic church. i agree with the poster who said that a polite e-mail might be sent to the pastor. i haven’t really attended many protestant churches though. i grew up in the episcopal church and didn’t attend church for many years.
there were a few other catholics from my church who were also attending. i won one of their Bibles in a raffle they held each week. the seminar was interesting until we got to John Hus and then the Catholic bashing began. and it didn’t stop. i was pretty shocked and angered. the man leading the seminar knew there were Catholics in attendance because we had to fill out a form. these people were nice and i have heard of anti-Catholicism, but this was the first time i ever sat somewhere and had the man saying so many bad things about the Catholic church. none of us walked out. we were all women.
one woman never went back. another woman’s father had been a 7th Day Adventist and she continued to come. i stayed away for a week or two, but returned for the last night.
i was curious i guess. anyhow, there was no way i was going to join and i really didn’t even feel like i got an answer about the end times.
i have never been to a protestant service that bashes the Catholic church. i agree with the poster who said that a polite e-mail might be sent to the pastor. i haven’t really attended many protestant churches though. i grew up in the episcopal church and didn’t attend church for many years.
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CatholicSheila
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I refuse all invitations to protestant churches. Perhaps I’d consider it if I thought that the invitor was willing to attend mass with me, but so far I haven’t had anyone invite me who would.
I would have found it very hard to walk out. I definitely would have wanted to. I personally wouldn’t meet with the pastor, but I’d consider writing a letter explaining that I was very saddened to hear falsehoods about Catholicism in his sermon. If he is a typical anti-Catholic, I assume that he did mention things that were false about our beliefs. Prayers to Mary, salvation by works alone, tradition trumping the bible etc etc.
I’d explain what we actually believe, and maybe point out that it is ridiculious for him to suggest he knows what the Catholic Church teaches better than the Catholic Church does, a claim I’ve heard many times, and leave it at that.
I would have found it very hard to walk out. I definitely would have wanted to. I personally wouldn’t meet with the pastor, but I’d consider writing a letter explaining that I was very saddened to hear falsehoods about Catholicism in his sermon. If he is a typical anti-Catholic, I assume that he did mention things that were false about our beliefs. Prayers to Mary, salvation by works alone, tradition trumping the bible etc etc.
I’d explain what we actually believe, and maybe point out that it is ridiculious for him to suggest he knows what the Catholic Church teaches better than the Catholic Church does, a claim I’ve heard many times, and leave it at that.
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FabiusMaximus
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Perhaps, but the Bible as we have it today is the product of the traditions that preceded it. Otherwise how was the Church to find out which books were appropriate and which ones were simply Gnostic? There was already an established faith and traditions as a standard to hold the books to.
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Calgar
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I was under the impression that the Holy Spirit was involved somehow.
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Cat
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Actually, there are quite a few non-denominational Christians who do not meet in a church.
There is a fairly sizeable home-church movement, in which small groups of Christians meet in homes. Sometimes a “pastor” is involved, and sometimes the group meets without a designated pastor, just allowing the Holy Spirit to lead the meeting.
There are also a lot of families who use a “family church” model in which the father is the pastor, and his wife and children are his flock/congregation.
We know non-Catholic Christians who are involved in both of these forms of fellowship.
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Nicea325
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Yes in the process of canonization which the church produced the canons for the OT & NT. Just because those writings existed before 400 A.D. does not support or prove an iota of the Bible-Alone. And why? Because many other writings existed and why aren’t they in our current Bibles?I was under the impression that the Holy Spirit was involved somehow.
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englishredrose
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as i know myself
its so easy to be angry isn’t it.
its so easy to be angry isn’t it.
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Diana_Catherine
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That is true. There are many home-churches and family churches which because of being unknown or very private do not show up in the count when counting protestant churches.
The home-churches are started by many who have not yet come home to the Catholic church but are finding much discouragement in the protestant churches and as one person put it the thought behind it is - no one else is getting it right out there maybe I can figure this out myself at home.
I have met those who belonged to home churches, too and after a while they came home to the Catholic church.
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Deconi
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(Emphasis mine)
It is fortunate then that this ‘version’ of Holy Communion is NOT real in the literal sense, for as the vociferous Paul points out, partaking in the Lord’s supper unworthily is ‘death.’
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andrewstx
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andrewstx,
That is very disrespectful and taking Communion in a deceitful manner is spiritually dangerous for those who do so.
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience. Not all Episcopalians are like those you encountered. Our Anglo Catholic Rector speaks of Catholicism with respect; even quotes Popes and Catholic authors in his lessons and sermons from time to time. He also quotes Orthodox writers and incorporates Orthodox prayers.
In reading through current threads about people visiting Churches; it seems there are a lot of angry Christians. Not sure what is going on. When Christians attack and fight with other Christians, our witness and call to spread the Gospel suffers. Whatever happened to “love one another”? Seems to have gone out of style.
Peace,
Anna
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pablope
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As with about 200 plus other writings that did not make it to the canon. Keep in mind too, Calgar…that for the first 300 yrs, the Church was primarily on the run because of the Roman persecution.
The writings could not be gathered in one place, there was no printing press, copies had to be handcopied, no paper as you know it today and papyrus was expensive, not everyone can read, and not a lot could write, either.
Some of the writings that did not make it to the canon were considered scripture…but did not make it to the final canon.
Here is a list of Early writings…and can you, as an early christian, know which should be in the bible:
earlychristianwritings.com/
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andrewstx
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Anna that particular parish has had many problems. The rector I grew up with was Anglo-Catholic and there over 30 years. The parish was in an aging part of town where no-one wanted to live or go. So he started a chapel of ease, two chrurches he was both over.
When he retired all hell broke loose a new rector was named who refused to go to the original church, canceled all sunday masses there, and moved the parish offices to the church in the new money area.
After several interims another rector, female, was hand picked by the Sr Warden who was the richest man in the parrish and maybe the city. They soon were married by the bishop no less, after a few short years she moved off to Berkely to get her DST degree. And there were more interims and each time the parish lost members.
The priest in charge there now was raised Church of Nazarene, all traces of anglo catholicism are long gone. I left the EC years ago.
This area always conservative has gone from conservative (I am conservative) to radical.
Many of the former members have gone to Christ Church, a schismatic denomination that calls it’self “anglican”.
With all the political fights going on and the ignoring of the holy Gospels, I grieve for my former church.
When he retired all hell broke loose a new rector was named who refused to go to the original church, canceled all sunday masses there, and moved the parish offices to the church in the new money area.
After several interims another rector, female, was hand picked by the Sr Warden who was the richest man in the parrish and maybe the city. They soon were married by the bishop no less, after a few short years she moved off to Berkely to get her DST degree. And there were more interims and each time the parish lost members.
The priest in charge there now was raised Church of Nazarene, all traces of anglo catholicism are long gone. I left the EC years ago.
This area always conservative has gone from conservative (I am conservative) to radical.
Many of the former members have gone to Christ Church, a schismatic denomination that calls it’self “anglican”.
With all the political fights going on and the ignoring of the holy Gospels, I grieve for my former church.
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