Protestant that agree...

[moondweller]

I asked you twice to tell me which one. It took one of my brothers to tell me which one?

Then how is it that Mr. Smith saw and identified the question immediately?

Besides, I did answer it and here was my answer: There are several godheads (just in case you didn’t know that fact).

Did I write “godhead,” or “Godhead?” Even Mr. Smith saw what I was referring to.

(LOL! It’s hard to be mad at you anymore MD since you gave me props for my Templar icon! )

Why get mad at all?

 

[fbl9]

funny tittle for a thread" protestants that agree." why i say this? i say it is a funny name because if a protestant did agree they could no longer be protestant but instead have no choice but to jion completely with the true church. perhaps it means prost. that agree with each other. then again going by the way they create new groups i think that is also unlikely. may God bless and help us amen.

 

[moondweller]

Moondweller,

Do you have any idea what 2nd Gen is talking about? God Heads? If he is a Mormon --good catch–

He’s not Mormon. He’s a Catholic dodging a simple question.

 

[2ndGen]

He’s not Mormon. He’s a Catholic dodging a simple question.

No, you’re the one dodging the question…which godhead are you referring to that includes Satan?

This is the 3rd time I asked.

 

[2ndGen]

funny tittle for a thread" protestants that agree." why i say this? i say it is a funny name because if a protestant did agree they could no longer be protestant but instead have no choice but to jion completely with the true church. perhaps it means prost. that agree with each other. then again going by the way they create new groups i think that is also unlikely. may God bless and help us amen.

Know what’s even funnier?

There’s a Catholic here working to discredit me in a debate against an anti-Catholic.

Does that qualify him as a “heretic”?

 

[2ndGen]

Then how is it that Mr. Smith saw and identified the question immediately?Did I write “godhead,” or “Godhead?” Even Mr. Smith saw what I was referring to.Why get mad at all?

Ohhh.

Ok, well then my answer remains the same as it was the first time.

I don’t know of any godhead(s) that have Satan in them.

 

[fbl9]

fbl9 here 2nd gen. while we do not have to agree with each other on words we ,catholics, have to agree on doctrine. one thing that really brothers me is all this mention of the dark one i myself do not even like to mention hiss name. that is one of the things that bugs me about a lot evangalicals they mention hiss name almost mor than our Lord"s name.easpacially (sic)in thier prayers. may God help us amen. corect hiss to his scripture says we should not even speak insulting of the dark one. the loction is not on hand. when it comes to scripture i do not really try to remeber where iread but what i read. i read your post in thread about the Blessed mother. nothing so far has scared me and my wife more than Benny Hinn.

 

[2ndGen]

fbl9 here 2nd gen. while we do not have to agree with each other on words we ,catholics, have to agree on doctrine. one thing that really brothers me is all this mention of the dark one i myself do not even like to mention hiss name.

 

[ncgolf]

Why not? If that was to be a specific function of theirs, as you point out by that verse in John, then one would surely find many accounts of them exercising activity in that capacity. But as you rightly admit - NONE!But you should see evidence of your interpretation of that verse. You, admittedly, don’t.

Data must mesh with theology. What I find so interesting is you base a belief on what is “missing” from Scripture … by your interpretation Scripture is “insuffiicient”. Are you a “Bbile Only” Christian. If you are you cannot go outside of what is contained “in” Scripture. If you try to then I must say you cannot be Bible alone. Catholics say the total deposit of faith is contained in both Scripture and Tradition. I doubt you have a Tradition so please stick to what is “in” Scripture. Your point of anybody not using this power is irrelevant and immaterial then. I do not understand how you base a bellief on something “not” in Scripture when Scripture indeed has the text required “for” a belief. In doing this you do not trust the message giver originally.

Another point is the truthfulness of the witness and the ambiguity of the language used. Does Christ say what he means and does He mean what He says? Please find another meaning to the word “sin” or “forgiveness”. If you find others (in a biblical context) please post references. I must say you do not trust Christ at his word. Only 1 person spoke those words … it is Christ himself. If you have a problem with the words Christ used … it is then not an issue with the Catholic Church but with Christ. If anyone else other than Christ spoke those … I think you would have a point. Peter nor any other apostle spoke those words … Christ did.

 

[ncgolf]

The Apostle John spoke of sin after the resurrection, but he taught this objective truth:1 John 2:1-2 "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for {those of} the whole world.The sacrificial death of Christ satisfied the offended holiness of God because of sins (propitiation), before and after the cross. Christ our High Priest in heaven is our (believer’s) Advocate with the Father, testifying to the fact that the believer who has sinned has been redeemed (purchased) and cleansed of all sins through His blood. And this was the Apostolic message to the world. But it’s a message concerning Christ and the cross that must be believed. They weren’t sent out to start a new “religion,” but to proclaim Christ and Him crucified and salvation through faith in Him alone.

So what. Jesus was Truth incarnate … Christ said those words, only Christ. John does not contradict Christ. A theology must fit the data … yours does fit if you leave Christ’s words out. Go ahead.

 

[moondweller]

Ohhh.

Ok, well then my answer remains the same as it was the first time.

I don’t know of any godhead(s) that have Satan in them.

I’ll say it AGAIN: Did I write godhead or Godhead in my question. Go back and look.

I didn’t ask you to identify any, my question was, “is it true?” A yes or not answer will do.

The size of the picture in your signature is very obnoxious (and takes up a lot of space). Would you please consider dispensing of it, or at least find a smaller one?

 

[jmcrae]

You challenged my Catholicism, I proved to you that there are godheads in several religions and now you’re siding with the anti-Catholic?

Awww…are you pouting now because you got academically spanked?

See that? You were wrong. There are several beliefs (and definitions) for “godheads”.

Just accept it. Pride is a very infectious thing. It leads to more of the same.

Now, here’s a question for you…Is Christianity the only religion to believe in a godhead?

This is completely ridiculous.

The Trinity is but one God, and Pope Benedict XVI is His vicar.

There are no other “god heads” - other than completely imaginary god-heads, theorized by those who have not yet been enlightened to the Truth of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

 

[moondweller]

Data must mesh with theology. What I find so interesting is you base a belief on what is “missing” from Scripture … by your interpretation Scripture is “insuffiicient”.

Not at all. Based on what is subsequently revealed in Scripture (i.e., the Apostolic proclamation of the forgiveness of sins through faith in Christ alone) it’s your interpretation of that passage that proves insufficient (are not Catholics are always arguing that you must take the whole of Scripture into consideration?). According to what is revealed in Scripture, they never went beyond the proclamation of sins forgiven by God Himself, through faith in Christ (I provided the Scriptures in a previous post), based on the power He has to do so through His crucifixion.2 Cor 4:5 "For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake.

1 Cor 1:23 “…but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,”

1 Cor 2:2 "For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified."As I said, there was a fourth option: A false conclusion based on a faulty interpretation.

I do not understand how you base a bellief on something “not” in Scripture when Scripture indeed has the text required “for” a belief. In doing this you do not trust the message giver originally.

Actually, it’s you who are believing something that is not in Scripture. What is not there is any Apostle (that of course would include Peter) personally forgiving or retaining sins in respect to salvation. We did see it with Paul but only in respect to church discipline.

 

[fbl9]

opps some one forgot about Ananias and his wife were not their sins retained.Acts 5:1-11

 

[jmcrae]

opps some one forgot about Ananias and his wife were not their sins retained.Acts 5:1-11

Good point.

 

[2ndGen]

I’ll say it AGAIN: Did I write g

Oh…so you don’t like it as much as you used to now?



I was trying to minimize it, but it’s getting so much commentary that I decided to leave it up just a little longer.

I’m working on finding a smaller one with as much “ooomph” factor.

 

[moondweller]

opps some one forgot about Ananias and his wife were not their sins retained.Acts 5:1-11

So you’re saying Peter himself had the power at that moment to either forgive or retain their sin, and he chose to retain, thereby bringing about their instant deaths.

Interesting interpretation. Can you tell me if the Catholic church keeps stats on how many people are carried out of confessionals on stretchers every year? And since it is in the power of the priest to either forgive or retain, upon retaining does the church then pay for the funeral expense?

In Catholic seminaries what is the instruction a potential priest is given as to the criteria for retaining one’s sins?

 

[2ndGen]

So you’re saying Peter himself had the power at that moment to either forgive or retain their sin, and he chose to retain, thereby bringing about their instant deaths.

Interesting interpretation. Can you tell me if the Catholic church keeps stats on how many people are carried out of confessionals on stretchers every year? And since it is in the power of the priest to either forgive or retain, upon retaining does the church then pay for the funeral expense?

In Catholic seminaries what is the instruction a potential priest is given as to the criteria for retaining one’s sins?

Don’t forget, only Peter had Christ-like supernatural powers like when his shadow healed people.

Who else could claim that?

Remember, when Jesus healed a man, He didn’t tell him to confess what happened to any men, but to go to a Priest to do what Mosaic Law prescribed (which included confession).

And He specified a Priest over common men.

Matthew 8
1 And when he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.

2 And behold, there came to him a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

3 And he stretched forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou made clean. And straightway his leprosy was cleansed.

4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go, show thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

The healing that is prescribed is described in Leviticus 14:2-57

Too long to post, but for those interested in what Jesus told this man to do…

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2014:2-57;&version=9;

 

[FredSmith]

Are there any two Protestant denominations that agree completely on each other’s doctrines?

Which doctrines? Doctrines tend to be divded into three categories: essential, non-essential, and adiapheron.

 

[2ndGen]

Which doctrines? Doctrines tend to be divded into three categories: essential, non-essential, and adiapheron.

There you go!

I learned something new.

I guess, the only doctrines that really matter from my point of view would be those that define the denomination, so I guess I’d have to go with door # 1; “essential”.