Protestant view of Catholic Men

[The_Geographer]

I can vouch that my perception of Catholic men has always been “wimp” and “buffoon” most all my life. Assuming you give your perspective, why do you have the perception? Further, express the view of the men in your own faith. Catholics are welcome to reply as well.

 

[Alexia2000]

I can vouch that my perception of Catholic men has always been “wimp” and “buffoon” most all my life. Assuming you give your perspective, why do you have the perception? Further, express the view of the men in your own faith. Catholics are welcome to reply as well.

I hold that ‘perception’ too; but not just about the Catholic

Why? Experience

 

[greggy53]

My wife and I spent a few years in Protestant Evangelical Churches. The perspective that I saw concerning Catholic men was that they blindly followed the Pope instead of Jesus. I never heard Catholic men referred to as “wimpy” , or otherwise stupid. Perhaps they never said these things within my earshot because they knew I was raised Catholic?

 

[Dale_M]

I can vouch that my perception of Catholic men has always been “wimp” and “buffoon” most all my life. Assuming you give your perspective, why do you have the perception?

Wow, that is quite the admission.

But you ask others to justify their perceptions without offering your own. Would you be willing to explain why you feel as you do?

Personally, I don’t have any group opinion of Catholic men, or Christian men, or men in general. I guess I don’t understand why anyone would.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I hold that ‘perception’ too; but not just about the Catholic

Why? Experience

You don’t know very many Catholic men, if that’s the case, or your choice has been very selective.

To be honest the thought of categorising an entire sex by personal observation or bias in regard to a few has never occurred to me.

So in return I’ll make this equally sexist comment - as a rule, Christian women seem to retain their looks longer than a lot of secular women, probably because they look after themselves.

 

[Alexia2000]

You don’t know very many Catholic men, if that’s the case, or your choice has been very selective.

To be honest the thought of categorising an entire sex by personal observation or bias in regard to a few has never occurred to me.

So in return I’ll make this equally sexist comment - as a rule, Christian women seem to retain their looks longer than a lot of secular women, probably because they look after themselves.

As a Catholic, I completely agree with you

 

[greggy53]

Perhaps Catholic men are considered “wimpy” because we are more apt to treat our women equally? or because Catholic women are more independant? I knew a few Protestant men that treated their dogs better than their women, but then again are Catholic men less apt to abuse their wives?

 

[4Squarebaby]

I have never heard anything about Catholic MEN. But in a larger sense there are worries that the church is becoming femanized as women are the more loyal church members attendence wise and more likely to “man” the different support ministries of the church.

And to keep the invovlement of women doctrine and practises change to reflect their growing power in secular and religious societies.

 

[camerong]

We’re WIMPY?? I challenge anyone making that claim to arm wrestling, right now

Seriously though, when I was Protestant, I thought Catholicism was stupid, but I always thought (devout) Catholics themselves were in a way admirable for having such faith in a religion that couldn’t be defended logically. Though I still admire Catholics, it is now obviously for different reasons…

 

[Alexia2000]

We’re WIMPY?? I challenge anyone making that claim to arm wrestling, right now

Seriously though, when I was Protestant, I thought Catholicism was stupid, but I always thought (devout) Catholics themselves were in a way admirable for having such faith in a religion that couldn’t be defended logically. Though I still admire Catholics, it is now obviously for different reasons…

You are on; I go to my gym 4 times a week

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Guys, there is something called humour; don’t get so uptight

I find Catholic men nice and polite and caring and all of that; not wimpy

 

[greggy53]

I have never heard anything about Catholic MEN. But in a larger sense there are worries that the church is becoming femanized as women are the more loyal church members attendence wise and more likely to “man” the different support ministries of the church.

And to keep the invovlement of women doctrine and practises change to reflect their growing power in secular and religious societies.

I have heard Protestant ministers lament the fact that the women in their Churches were taking on the Christian leadership role in their families because their husbands were not doing it. I think that cuts across denominational lines.

 

[blazerdave]

Most of my friends are Catholic, and they all think that Protestant men are wimpy due to feminine church music and touchy-feely worship services. Maybe it’s all in who you know and what you’ve seen

 

[Chris_Marsh]

Where did THAT come from?

I know enough Catholic men to know that they are diverse.

 

[Chris_Marsh]

Most of my friends are Catholic, and they all think that Protestant men are wimpy due to feminine church music and touchy-feely worship services. Maybe it’s all in who you know and what you’ve seen

That seems to fit in with the book Why Men Hate Going to Church, which I have a copy of.

 

[DCB38]

An interesting observation…In a nutshell I explain reason’s why I would have to agree with you at one time. I grew up in the Catholic church, fell away for a LONG time, found Christ, hated Catholics and the church, but with God’s probing and pushing I dived into study and prayer. After a time I come to see the catholic church as the church God established and she holds strong to truths today. I agree that many men might seem to be spineless, and week and wimpy. There are two sides to this. One I see many men that don’t have the faith in Christ, they just go through the motions, they say they believe but have no convictions to back up their beliefs. I can see where a man of faith in another denomination would see this man as having no “backbone”, being led around like a poodle on a leash. On the other side you have catholic men of great faith and very knowledgable of our salvation history and of scripture. These men may seem “week and wimpy”, but if you knew them, you would see men of strong moral ethics, kind, loving and forgiving(which is what Christ commands us to do, immitate him). Others have portrayed Christ as also being wimpy and week, just look at some of the art work out there that paints Him as this. Don’t mistake his sad looks as being weak, this is his compasion for us, and in his love and compasion he defeated satan for our sake. Strong catholic men of faith are prayer wariors, a living example for others to follow. This to others they may come off as weak wimpy, but they are full of God’s grace and love and sacrifice themselves and fight for there loved ones souls. I know this to be, because my grandfather was one. He was one who always spoke the truth, prayed unceasingly and strived to know Jesus more. He is my earthly Chirstian role model. I could only hope to be as strong and steadfast as him. To love and show compasion for others, to lead others to Christ. It takes a strong man to do this. Weak and wimpy? NO WAY!!!

 

[The_Geographer]

I currently see a major move to masculinity in the Church. Many Catholics would agree with my perspective and verify what I experienced before converting the the Church of Christ. Many if not most of the seminarians tended to be very afeminine. It disturbed me so much that I worked harder to show my masculinity as being positive, even more manly. Many of the seminarians I know did not continue for one reason or another but I do know that several of them leaned towards same sex attraction and practice their lustful desires today. I had to fight for my masculinity in a sense. In the end I was buried under a rug after turning in a couple of predators who were trying to get in my pants. I was very naive and was the “perfect victim”. But I stood my ground. Some years later I joined the Army and finally saw lots of manly behavior, but not all of it was right of course. There were many Protestant men that set really good Christ like behavior, even in authority. They were firm but fair. I’d have to say that that was my first experience seeing men stand up for what they really believe, even if it was wrong. I fought against the men doing cat calls and got chewed out often for it. But I held my ground and it paid off in the long run. At the end of my 4 year tour I married a faithful Church of Christ woman with a large family of men that also are very masculine. I’ve rarely met any man in that faith that came across wimpy. It’s not that I think Catholic men are wimpy. It’s that they don’t defend the faith, lead their families, pray and read bible stories to their children. All of the esamples of this I got from my protestant family. And my dad claimed to be a solid traditional Catholic, yet he set such a perverted example for us. My way of salvation was to not mimic my dad. And that is sad. My grandfather went to the seminary 2 years and seemed to really know the faith, but he allowed my grandmother to enable my dad’s poor behavior. My aunts followed the footsteps of my grandmother and do the same things today. It led to most of my cousins leaving the Catholic faith. Many of them are practicing Baptists or Methodists now. I propose that the reason we have so many fallen away Catholics is because of the lack of good catechesis which is really on the heads of the men because they are the head of the family. That is why I try to do all of those things I learned as a Protestant with my new Catholic family.

Women are equally guilty of marginalizing men. These are not all of nothing statements. I’m speaking about a significant portion of our population. I can’t speak for liturgical style Protestants, but I can for Christians in the churches of Christ. However, even we were taught to treat our wives as equals and with respect. However, we expected everyone to be either a man or a woman. Men should act like men and stand up for what they believe. If they don’t believe correctly then they need to stand up and learn the faith…form their consciences. Then a lot of the illicit things happening in the secular society can be prevented in the body of Christ. Call sin what it is, “sin”. Call righteous what it is too. Men should always treat women with respect. But, they should not stand to the wayside in serving in the Church just because a woman pushes harder at it than them. Don’t be run over by what I’ve been seeing. I see a lot of women running programs in the diocese that have very liberal ideas, such as women priests and deacons. I see wimpy men that they promote and occupy church positions. It’s frightening how that older baby boomer generation is destroying our Church, our country and our families. I’m currently dealing with a couple of them in the diocese now because they are rude to deacon candidates, quite regularly. I sent a message to my pastor about our perception of them at our first meeting. My pastor confirmed my concerns because others have expressed the same observation. I chose to wait until they are retired to continue or at least learn to ignore their behavior.

I do believe that women should be active in our Church. But we need women that will encourage their, no expect their men to participate and volunteer. Our society doesn’t need any more Nancy Pelosi’s or Joe Biden’s running the show. I believe the reason they are in office is because of our watered down masculinity or role in our society. Now I know I’m going to get a lot of negative feed back. But frankly, I really don’t care because that’s how some of us learn.

 

[twopekinguys]

I can vouch that my perception of Catholic men has always been “wimp” and “buffoon” most all my life. Assuming you give your perspective, why do you have the perception? Further, express the view of the men in your own faith. Catholics are welcome to reply as well.

The terms weak, wimpy, sinful, buffoon, etc. etc. only apply when talking about someone else.

People need to take a look at themselves before they speak about others.

 

[The_Geographer]

EXACTLY! What I’m hinting towards. I’m want to see all Christian men, whether Catholic or not to stand up for their faith in Jesus. We can work through the differences. before the 1960’s most every if not all Christians were against contraception and abortion. We are seeing the decline of society because “women rights” have taken precedent over what is the right thing to do or not to do [abotortion]. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if abortion is wrong for a baby conceived inside or outside of marriage that even a baby crated by God with an evil act such as by rape is evil and wrong. Men and women have buckles to the new world order, figuratively speaking.

An interesting observation…In a nutshell I explain reason’s why I would have to agree with you at one time. I grew up in the Catholic church, fell away for a LONG time, found Christ, hated Catholics and the church, but with God’s probing and pushing I dived into study and prayer. After a time I come to see the catholic church as the church God established and she holds strong to truths today. I agree that many men might seem to be spineless, and week and wimpy. There are two sides to this. One I see many men that don’t have the faith in Christ, they just go through the motions, they say they believe but have no convictions to back up their beliefs. I can see where a man of faith in another denomination would see this man as having no “backbone”, being led around like a poodle on a leash. On the other side you have catholic men of great faith and very knowledgeable of our salvation history and of scripture. These men may seem “week and wimpy”, but if you knew them, you would see men of strong moral ethics, kind, loving and forgiving(which is what Christ commands us to do, imitate him). Others have portrayed Christ as also being wimpy and week, just look at some of the art work out there that paints Him as this. Don’t mistake his sad looks as being weak, this is his compassion for us, and in his love and compassion he defeated Satan for our sake. Strong catholic men of faith are prayer warriors, a living example for others to follow. This to others they may come off as weak wimpy, but they are full of God’s grace and love and sacrifice themselves and fight for there loved ones souls. I know this to be, because my grandfather was one. He was one who always spoke the truth, prayed unceasingly and shrived to know Jesus more. He is my earthly Christian role model. I could only hope to be as strong and steadfast as him. To love and show compassion for others, to lead others to Christ. It takes a strong man to do this. Weak and wimpy? NO WAY!!!

 

[The_Geographer]

The terms weak, wimpy, sinful, buffoon, etc. etc. only apply when talking about someone else.

People need to take a look at themselves before they speak about others.

That is true. And that is why I am talking about this openly.

WHAT BROUGHT THIS TOPIC ON?

I listened to “Life on the Rock” about men, seminarians and priests participating in an apostolate of the laity that encourages men to be men, not “wimps, baffoons and ??” I forgot the exact terms off my head. But this was a direct quote from the men on the program.

 

[The_Geographer]

That seems to fit in with the book Why Men Hate Going to Church, which I have a copy of.

The women in my previous faith are not allowed to lead anything. They are to be submissive to men as stated in scripture. That is why there are so many men participating in the worship services and bible studies. Men lead everything, with very few exceptions. But the women who lead usually lead children ministry, not youth, because teen boys need strong male role models. The women might also be over women ministry specifically that in reality is under one of the elders authority, oversight.

It was quite an inspiring experience for 18 years. I felt “finally, men can actually be men and women can actually be women and respect men”.