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Protos
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I understand about the family, however the passage confirms it was Jesus’ mother "His mother"and “brothers”
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aidanbradypop
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Hmmm…My Bible never states “His mother” but merely friends. I guess anyone can translate Scripture to help their cause.
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Protos
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I’m guessing you’re using the DR?Hmmm…My Bible never states “His mother” but merely friends. I guess anyone can translate Scripture to help their cause.
The DR is the only translation I’ve found that uses the translation “friends”. Other more recent catholic Bibles such as the NAB uses “relatives” and all translations I have read mention "Jesus’ mother and brethren in v 31 thereby clarifying who these relatives were
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aidanbradypop
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NAB states relatives but that could be anyone from a cousin to an uncle. I, however, use the RSV Second Catholic Edition. The RSV states friends. It does not really matter if the world relative or friend is used here. Let’s look at it in this way. An angel of God spoke with Mary and told her she would give birth to the Son of God. How could she be one of the “relatives/friends” that doubted him? Was it not Mary that told Christ to change the water into wine at the wedding in Cana?
Say you are female (I do not know your gender lol) and you became pregnant while a virgin. An angel from God told you that you would carry Christ. Just that alone would make one believe that nothing is impossible. Let us look at the whole picture of things rather than one verse that can be translated many different way depending on the version of the Scriptures.
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PRmerger
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No, Mary is not mentioned as one of the relatives who thought Jesus was mad. It simplly says his relatives did. And then it states his mother and his brothers arrived. No conclusion ought to be made about their arrival.
It’s as absurd to conclude that Mary would think her own son is a lunatic, as it is to claim that Jesus was dissing his mom when he calls her, “Woman” in another verse.
Protestants would have the Holy Family a family of dysfunctional folks, with a mom who thinks her son is loco and a son who demeans his mother.
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aidanbradypop
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No, Mary is not mentioned as one of the relatives who thought Jesus was mad. It simplly says his relatives did. And then it states his mother and his brothers arrived. No conclusion ought to be made about their arrival.
It’s as absurd to conclude that Mary would think her own son is a lunatic, as it is to claim that Jesus was dissing his mom when he calls her, “Woman” in another verse.
Protestants would have the Holy Family a family of dysfunctional folks, with a mom who thinks her son is loco and a son who demeans his mother.
If I was going to seperate myself from Catholicism, that would be sadly be a place to start
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EIF5A
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I have never come across this idea that Mary thought Jesus was crazy…Hopefully it’s not a common teaching…No, Mary is not mentioned as one of the relatives who thought Jesus was mad. It simplly says his relatives did. And then it states his mother and his brothers arrived. No conclusion ought to be made about their arrival.
It’s as absurd to conclude that Mary would think her own son is a lunatic, as it is to claim that Jesus was dissing his mom when he calls her, “Woman” in another verse.
Protestants would have the Holy Family a family of dysfunctional folks, with a mom who thinks her son is loco and a son who demeans his mother.
And with regards to “Woman”, most “study” Bibles I’ve come across specifically state that “Woman” is not a condescending term meant to put her “in her place” but just means, well, a woman.
I disagree that Protestants would have the Holy Family as being dysfunctional.
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aidanbradypop
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Ben_F
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I believe everything The Magisterium of the Church teaches. It´s a great gift from God. It´s the truth protected, by the The Holy Spirit. It´s Jesus talking about His Mother. To disbelieve, is not believing God. It´s not wishful thinking by The Church, which is Jesus. Mary is all the things, that Jesus says about Her, thru His Church. Simply put. She´s the greatest of all of God´s creations. The blood that Jesus shed for us came from Her. God bless:thumbsup:
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GaryTaylor
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I never came across this idea that Mary thought Jesus was crazy either, That’s a new animal.
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Isaiah45_9
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Such is the seed of division…No, Mary is not mentioned as one of the relatives who thought Jesus was mad. It simplly says his relatives did. And then it states his mother and his brothers arrived. No conclusion ought to be made about their arrival.
It’s as absurd to conclude that Mary would think her own son is a lunatic, as it is to claim that Jesus was dissing his mom when he calls her, “Woman” in another verse.
Protestants would have the Holy Family a family of dysfunctional folks, with a mom who thinks her son is loco and a son who demeans his mother.
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GaryTaylor
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Very nice.
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Isaiah45_9
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Not if you use Romans 3 as your basis like you did a couple of posts back. Your argument was that all have sinned. That includes infants, in which case your proposal that “one needs to commit something to sin” just doesn’t stand.
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bzkoss236
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There’s a strip of the comic “Coffee with Jesus” that gives the interpretation of Jesus saying it with more along the lines of a “Aww, mom… Do I have to?” kind of attitude.
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Monergistic
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Perhaps infants are simply excluded from either falling short of God’s glory or having attained it. It’s tough to put them in either one of those categories; perhaps they belong in a “not applicable” grouping to whom the meat of the paradigm does not directly apply.
All have sinned AND fall short of the glory of God.
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GaryTaylor
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How does a child fall short in the carnal sense. For example we all are subject to Gods law, both spiritual and physical. Just a passing thought for you to wrestle with. How does spiritual law which in truth its all a completely spiritual law, and children before the age of conscience coincide. sin becomes willful refusal to struggle in the upward battle of the world and Gods Grace. Which leaves the physical death and other aspects of the fall in place intact. Then all have fallen short is true, but the children are a different story.
Just thinking out loud.
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rinnie
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Actually the biblical meaning of the word woman in the bible in those days were addressed to a worman thought of with great respect.
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PRmerger
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Right. So there are exceptions, clearly, to Romans 3:23.
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PRmerger
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Excellent point I hadn’t considered. :bowdown:
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PRmerger
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That is, indeed, a new one.
I never came across this idea that Mary thought Jesus was crazy either, That’s a new animal.
Unless one of our Protestant brethren can point to a Reformer who posited that Mary was one of those who thought Jesus was loco?
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