Protestant who believes in the real presence

[steve-b]

steve-b:

Nope.

Just to name one of many things , the high priest no matter how many animals he slaughtered on the altar,

• his sacrifice could not forgive sins.

Agreed. It is Christ who forgives our sins through HIS sacrifice. The Lord’s Supper is the proclamation of what has already been accomplished as Paul states in 1 Corinthians.

When Jesus gave the apostles the power to forgive or retain sins He breathed on them giving them the Holy Spirit.

When He ordained them, He said Do this in memory of me.

These are sacraments that need valid ordination

 

[Hodos]

There are offices in the Church that require ordination. VALID ordination

Is that your private interpretation?

This is why you shouldn’t be privately interpreting a book that you received from the Catholic Church.

You just did, adding requirements to scripture that aren’t there.

Jesus ordained the apostles here.

Jesus told them to Do this in remembrance of me. No translation that I am aware of states that Jesus ordained the disciples in the Lord’s supper. Again, private interpretation.

You’ll find out someday how wrong you are. No validly ordained priest, no Eucharist.

The last gasp of a man asserting his opinion apart from scripture. My pastor actually believes the words of institution. When Christ offers the Bread and says do this, we do it. When Christ offers the cup and says do this, we do it.

 

[Hodos]

Have yourself a blessed weekend by the way. Spend some time enjoying your family.

 

[Agathon]

The last gasp of a man asserting his opinion apart from scripture. My pastor actually believes the words of institution. When Christ offers the Bread and says do this, we do it. When Christ offers the cup and says do this, we do it.

For all I know, God blesses those who are in good faith. But from what I know, God specifically appointed people to perpetuate His One Sacrifice as the sons of Aaron did in the days of old.

 

[Agathon]

No translation that I am aware of states that Jesus ordained the disciples in the Lord’s supper.

This is part of the Apostolic Tradition. Clement explains Apostolic Tradition here.

“The Apostles preached to us the Gospel received from Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ was God’s Ambassador. Christ, in other words, comes with a message from God, and the Apostles with a message from Christ. Both these orderly arrangements, therefore, originate from the will of God. And so, after receiving their instructions and being fully assured through the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, as well as confirmed in faith by the word of God, they went forth, equipped with the fullness of the Holy Spirit, to preach the good news that the Kingdom of God was close at hand. From land to land, accordingly, and from city to city they preached; and from among their earliest converts appointed men whom they had tested by the Spirit to act as bishops and deacons for the future believers"

Letter to the Corinthians, ch. 42

And here is a link, albeit it is not Catholic but Antiochian Orthodox. Scripture and Tradition | Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese

Another Orthodox link:
https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/worship/the-sacraments/holy-orders

 

[Hodos]

I completely agree with Clement’s statement here.

It however still doesn’t address the issue we were discussing with regard to the Lord’s Supper.

 

[steve-b]

There are offices in the Church that require ordination. VALID ordination

Hodos:

Is that your private interpretation?

It’s from the only Church Jesus established on Peter and those in complete union with Peter.

This is why you shouldn’t be privately interpreting a book that you received from the Catholic Church.

Hodos:

You just did, adding requirements to scripture that aren’t there.

Quote where scripture requires that?

BTW, Remember, the bible wasn’t there until a.d. 381

Jesus ordained the apostles here.

Hodos:

Jesus told them to Do this in remembrance of me. No translation that I am aware of states that Jesus ordained the disciples in the Lord’s supper. Again, private interpretation.

The leaders of the Catholic Church were there in the upper room. The Church you protest against. I only have to give you information. I’m not required to convince you anymore than Jesus was not able to convince His own “disciples” in Jn 6:66, and they left Jesus over the teaching on the Eucharist.

You’ll find out someday how wrong you are. No validly ordained priest, no Eucharist.

Hodos:

The last gasp of a man asserting his opinion apart from scripture. My pastor actually believes the words of institution. When Christ offers the Bread and says do this, we do it. When Christ offers the cup and says do this, we do it.

I’ve done what I’m required to do. Paraphrased in

Using Ez 3:17-21 , and these examples A=Catholic, B = someone doing wrong, Life=heaven, Death=hell,
here’s 4 potential scenarios using those passages from Ezekiel
Scenarios:

1. "If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand.” . IOW A gives B no warning. A & B are both screwed. Both die
2. "But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you will have saved your life.” . IOW A gives B warning. B ignores the warning. A lives B is screwed.
3. “if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.” . IOW A gives B no warning. A is screwed. B is being B and is screwed and ALSO, his good works are not remembered
4. "Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man not to sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he took warning; and you will have saved your life.” . IOW A warns B and B listens and changes, A & B live

putting this as God sees it, I would do all I can to be in scenario 2 & 4 and avoid #s 1 & 3 like the plague.

 

[steve-b]

Have yourself a blessed weekend by the way. Spend some time enjoying your family.

thanks and you do the same

 

[on_the_hill]

’. Who said anything about worthiness? That has nothing to do with anything.

True. Look at the Pa Auditor General report. 300 unworthy men consecrated the Eucharist every day for decades.

 

[Agathon]

And for that I have: The Office of New Testament Priest – Jimmy Akin.

But all jokes aside, your comments made me take my faith seriously.

 

[Thom18]

Since he’s persistent in his error, I would simply take Jesus’ advice and shake the dust from your feet.

 

[mch4970]

First of all, the Word of God is a Divine Person of the Blessed Trinity and not a sole collection of inspired books.

Second, all Divine Revelation was encapsulated in the Person of Jesus Christ, the Eternal Word of God. That Revelation has been transmitted through Apostolic Tradition and Sacred Scripture. The Bible alone confirms this and nowhere in Scripture does it state that it alone is the sole infallible rule of faith. So, ironically, ‘sola scriptura’ is a man-made, 16th century tradition of men.

This was wonderfully stated. Nice!!!