So are you calling the sacred languages of the cross the “vernacular”? I know the definition of vernacular is no longer confined to be “vulgar” but do you really want to denigrate Latin and Greek like that? You seem to have contempt for other ancient languages of the East as well, yet you defend the Eastern Rites. Very inconsistent.
The church Christ builds has, is, and will always be united in Him; there is no confusion for those in Him and never will be; that’s what makes His church the true church. Divisions and things of that sort are not from God, but from man and/or fallen angles.So united yet so divided.
Not that it has anything to do with Latin or lack of it, but I heard at my pastor’s homily this morning that the largest religious denomination in the U.S. is/are ex-Catholics. That was an eye-opener for me.
Many passages are not difficult at all to understand; what concerning this self explanatory passage do you not understand? You are correct the other poster, one from your own denomination, did impose on the text their desire, but you were able to rightly see right through it in my opinion.
Where do you get such a notion; sounds like maybe you are correct about the Protentization of Catholicism since this comes from some men at a table coming up with what is known as a creed. Nothing wrong with creeds, but God does not divide His church nor is His church divided. It is man that divides and to to claim the Catholic or any other denomination as the true church is to misunderstand the voice of God and to overlook several verses in Scripture as well.
I know of a man named William Tyndale who was murdered under the authority of the Pope & King of England. His crime was converting the bible into English & using the new invention of printing so the masses could be able to read for themselves the word of God. Thiis was considered to be a political challenge to authorities of the Catholic and English state; so they had him jailed and tried for heresy and burned him. That is a secular historical fact, not a lie.
Actually the story that Tyndale was persecuted by the Church only for translating the Bible into English is not true - see catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0212fea3.asp
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Thanks, brother.
This man was executed for his translation of the Bible.
You asserted that people – plural – suffered and were condemned to death for publishing the Scriptures in the vernacular. Having made that assertion, the burden of proof lay with you. So I made it easy and asked you to name *one *Bible printer whom the Church put to death. You come back with a two-fold response amid the condescension and sarcasm: (1) you produce Wycliffe and Tyndale; and (2) you try to back away from your stance on the Catholic Church and vernacular Scriptures by saying “I did not claim the CC never translated scripture [sic]” thereby admitting that the Church, having herself had Scripture translated, had no reason to condemn vernacular translations of the Bible on general principle, which pretty well demolishes your whole position right there.
The poster, though taking the time to attack my integrity and charity on behalf of this “secular historical fact,” fails to make clear why the Pope and the King of England should have cooperated in the elimination of Tyndale at a time when the King of England had already dragged England into schism (Tyndale was put to death in 1536, the year after the execution of Sts. Thomas More and John Fisher). So what was the proximate cause of Tyndale’s death? Let’s turn to a couple of sources friendly to Tyndale and his cause. Remember, these are from hagiographies of Tyndale (emphases added), and are available online:
So, then, it was not his translation of the Bible that got him executed (although, Henry VIII himself did all he could to stamp out the Tyndale translation, even after his break with Rome); it was his condemnation of Henry’s divorce. Then there is this admission from another hagiography on a site which is by no means friendly to the Catholic Church:
So it was the secular authorities who burned Tyndale at the stake; and it was done at the instigation, not of the Pope, but of the schismatic Henry VIII and his breakaway sect. And this is from Protestant sources not at all friendly to Catholicism.
You asked for one. I gave you one. You admit that he was executed by the RCC for his heresy which included a heretical translation of the Bible into English. His case is famous, and you omitted it and wrongly referred to Wycliffe (which I would not have used as a case since he was not executed).
Like I said, you seem to have anger issues (at least on this topic). I couldn’t care less, and I still accuse the RCC of that execution of that creator of a “heretical” translation.
While preaching love, himility and peace they can actually promote bigotry, arrogance and hostility. Religion, certainly Christianity, should be a bridge and not a barrier.
I have found that most Catholics in the US, and probably around the world, do not embrace this kind of prejudice. They usually prefer their faith, of course, but do not believe - as the Church still teaches - that the Catholic Church is the one true church.
Prejudice among evangelical Protestants is no better. Much of it is based upon misunderstanding or misinformation or very biased materials, such as that circulated by Chick publications.
The mainline Protestant denominations, among them the Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians, and the United Church and Christ, do not claim to be the one true church. Most of their congregations are 'big tent', gladly opening their doors and respecting people who may hold very different views on theology as well as social concerns. You will find in hundreds of congregations conservatives and liberals, whether we're discussing the Bible or such questions as abortion and same-sex marriage. Their attitude is summed up by such cliches as "Differet strokes for different folks" and "Think and let think". It's a healthy attitude.
To survive in the world of today Christianity needs to have a 'big tent' mentality. The days of authoritarianism, rigid confirmity, whether in politics or religion, are gone. The better educated Christians become, the more they ask questions and think for themselves. To insist that the Magisterium knows all the answers is no longer acceptable.
God bless Catholics, Protestants, and people of every creed, color, culture and country.Thank you and God love you.
Wow.You asked for one. I gave you one. You admit that he was executed by the RCC for his heresy which included a heretical translation of the Bible into English. His case is famous, and you omitted it and wrongly referred to Wycliffe (which I would not have used as a case since he was not executed).
The RCC participated in the execution of Tyndale for heresy, which included his Biblical translation into English.
Call it what you want, even call it “victorious.” You’re the one who tried to heap shame on me and called me a liar, and a fellow Catholic suggested that you apologize.
And, I also still assert that it is a good thing that this is not done today.
So basically, Pontius Pilate was right when he said, “What is truth?”
I’m afraid declining test scores (math, science, reading) in the U.S. show anything but better education. Along with them, decline in moral values as well. Someone, some group, some clergymen, and some teachers, need to step up to the plate. I don’t think ignorance gets you into heaven or betters society but I could be wrong.
No but He can cause them to speak different languages when people claim they know of a faster track to heaven. (Tower of Babel is alive and well.)
How many denominations have the Church with a Rock as its foundation? And how many of them speak in any of the sacred languages of the cross, which holds the real truth for us.
Is there a final truth? Yes. God knows it, and that's fine with me. Meanwhile, we need to live by the basic principles taught us by Christ. I have always been impressed by the story of the lawyer who asked Jesus directly: how could he obtain eternal life? In response, Jesus said nothing about doctrine, but gave the parable of the Good Samaritan instead. Paul wrote that faith, hope and love all were important, but love is paramount.