Protestants, a new twist on Mother Mary and the rosary

[marywarfield]

It’s worth at least that many Hail Mary’s for going to Starbucks. Eeew!!

Well we all have our little vices

 

[andrewstx]

Mary was (and is) great and we love her! And I think that we get that Catholics have their reasons for loving Mary second to God based on the first couple chapters of Luke and some “Mother of Jesus” passages in John. But I still am not, nor do I think I could be convinced to pray the rosary.

Is it the Hail Mary prayer you have the most trouble with? The Hail Mary is scriptural and comes straight from the Gospel of Luke. And Catholics place God the Holy Trinity first always and our Lady as a distant second.

 

[josh987654321]

Mary was (and is) great and we love her! And I think that we get that Catholics have their reasons for loving Mary second to God based on the first couple chapters of Luke and some “Mother of Jesus” passages in John. But I still am not, nor do I think I could be convinced to pray the rosary.

Hi dronald,

I hope you will not mind if I share with you an extract from Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion stroy on praying the rosary.
Scott Hahn's Conversion Story:

Text - catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0088.html
Audio (youtube) - youtube.com/watch?v=FrQN8LHYg5g

First, I began to pray a rosary. I was very scared to do this. I asked the Lord not to be offended as I tried. I proceeded to pray, and as I prayed I felt more in my heart what I came to know in my mind: I am a child of God. I don’t just have God as my Father and Christ as my brother; I have His Mother for my own.

A friend of mine who had heard I was thinking about the Catholic Church called up one day and said: “Do you worship Mary like those Catholics do?” I said, “They don’t worship Mary; they honor Mary.” “Well, what’s the difference?” I said, “Let me explain. When Christ accepted the call from His Father to become a man, He accepted the responsibility to obey the law, the moral law which is summarized in the Ten Commandments. There’s a commandment which reads, ‘Honor your father and mother.’” I said, “Chris, in the original Hebrew, that word “honor,” kaboda, that Hebrew word means to glorify, to bestow whatever glory and honor you have upon your father and mother. Christ fulfilled that law more perfectly than any human by bestowing His glory upon His heavenly Father and by taking His own divine glory and honoring His Mother with it. All we do in the rosary, Chris, is to imitate Christ who honors His Mother with His own glory. We honor her with Christ’s glory.”

I hope this has helped

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

After confession; for penance does a Priest often say to say “X” number of hail Mary’s?

Yes and ‘Our Fathers’

 

[josh987654321]

Is it the Hail Mary prayer you have the most trouble with? The Hail Mary is scriptural and comes straight from the Gospel of Luke.

Dronald:

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Fr Charles Grondin:

AAA - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=10956808&highlight=hail+mary#post10956808

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

Hail, full of grace! The Lord is with you.
-Luke 1:28

Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
-Luke 1:42

Holy Mary, Mother of God

*the mother of my Lord
-Luke 1:43 *

pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.

…pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.
-James 5:16

Fr Charles Grondin:

AAA - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=11793582&highlight=holy+mary+mother+of+god#post11793582

A basic principle of math is if A = B and B=C then A = C.

If Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.

“Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.”
– Saint Maximilian Kolbe

Also Dronald, a great devotion if you are interested is the ‘Brown Scapular’ (I have the Crusaders Scapular from here - freebrownscapular.com/order_page.html)

About the Brown Scapular
History and Promises
Our Lady’s Message “One day, through the Rosary and the Scapular, she will save the world.” - St. Dominic’s Prophecy of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Rosary and the Scapular, AD 1208.
Miracles

Hope I have helped

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Lutherans refer to Mary as the Blessed Virgin, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, per our Confessions but reciting the rosary is not often practiced by Lutherans. We do honor holy Mary and many of our churches, especially in Europe have shrines devoted to her. Lutherans believe St Mary prays for us and the entire holy Church but we normally don’t ask for Mary’s help in prayer.

 

[Symphorian]

As an Anglican I sometimes pray the Rosary as a private devotion. I rather like this little booklet from the CTS ‘Praying the Rosary with Icons’.

ctsbooks.org/praying-the-rosary-with-icons/

The Church of England Kalendar has several Marian feast days. In my diocese our cathedral church is dedicated to the BVM and on such feast days we end the Intercessions with the Ave.

Marian shrines in our cathedral (there’s also a Pieta with votives not pictured here).

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[Stilldreamn]

After I learned the basics of the prayers associated with the Rosary, I have found other ways to use it in my prayer life. On the beads that are normally used for the ten “Hail Marys” I pray for specific groups of people in my life, each bead for a specific person within that group (Family, Clergy/Parishioners, Neighbors/Community, Boss/Co-Workers, Government).

I run out of beads before I run out of people.

 

[rinnie]

Next we have the Luminous Mysteries. Said same as other mysteries.

We concentrate on this.

The Baptism of Jesus, We hear this is my beloved Son with whom I am pleased. Here we concentrate on openness to the Holy Spirit.

The Miracle of Cana. How Jesus turned water into wine, John tells us in 12:2 how Christ has the ability to transform our lives in the world. Fruit of the mystery trust in God’s Providence.

The Proclamation of the Kingdom, this we called to repent the kingdom is at hand. Fruit is Repentance

The transfiguration, where we witness Jesus as he really is. Fruit of the mystery is our desire for holiness.

The institution of the Eucharist. This is where Jesus teaches us how to love by holding nothing back, he surrendered himself completely. The fruit is our Love for the Eucharist.

 

[adf417]

I run out of beads before I run out of people.

I hate it when this happens But then I remember, God always counts the unstrung beads in our hearts also!

Peace!!!

 

[adf417]

Next we have the Luminous Mysteries.

Rapidly becoming one of my favorite!

 

[believerdoc]

For sure, but the very basic issue is Protestants don’t believe St Mary or any other saint can help them to know love & serve God because the saints have died and passed over the veil to the spirit world. As a result they can’t help us any more, correct me Protestant brothers in Christ, if I’m wrong.

You are partially correct. We do not believe that you can or should pray to a saint. We believe that there is only one that makes intersession for us and that is Christ. We see no justification in scripture that this should be done and no indication that any saint has been given the grace or authority by God to have the ability to hear any prayers. That being said we do believe as revealed in Revelations that saints do pray for us however we see this as praying for the world, the church, etc. more general petitions. Our concept of saints is also quite different in that we believe all of the faithful are saints and not just specific persons set apart by the church.We believe that if you have Jesus to make intersession for you why would you need anyone else. We believe that you can approach Christ directly without the need for a priest or saint as we have received the priesthood of all believers.

 

[rcwitness]

You are partially correct. We do not believe that you can or should pray to a saint.** We believe that there is only one that makes intersession for us and that is Christ.** We see no justification in scripture that this should be done and no indication that any saint has been given the grace or authority by God to have the ability to hear any prayers. That being said we do believe as revealed in Revelations that saints do pray for us however we see this as praying for the world, the church, etc. more general petitions. Our concept of saints is also quite different in that we believe all of the faithful are saints and not just specific persons set apart by the church.We believe that if you have Jesus to make intersession for you why would you need anyone else. We believe that you can approach Christ directly without the need for a priest or saint as we have received the priesthood of all believers.

1 Timothy 2:1-5

“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers,** intercessions**, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, for kings and all who are in high positions, so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and dignity. This is right and is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human.”

You see, we are Taught by the Apostle to do what you tell us is forbiden. Asking fellow Christians and the Saints, who have passed before us whom the Church has recognized as possesing grace through faith evident in their lives, is a pleasing this in the eyes of God. To worship another creature is sinfull. To pray to does not equal worship. It is the only to request the prayers of the saints. Nor does asking the Saints to pray for us mean we should not give adoration prayer to God.

Neither does it mean we should think of ourselves as less important to God than His Saints in Heaven. We are all saints who believe and obey. What we can rely on is the brotherly prayers from our brothers and sisters in the faith to be a holy petition to God, who hears the sincerety of the heart.

I personally don’t have much of a devotion to the Saints. I pray to the Lord and occassionally ask Our Mother in Him to pray for me. Also a Saint who has inspired me on occassion.

Paz de Cristo
Michael

 

[Lizz02]

For me it would be a non-issue anyway. My mind tends to wander (a lot). And I have trouble concentrating

I cant even tap my head and rub my belly at the same time… Much less give the prayer the contemplation it deserves.

I am Catholic and I get distracted a lot of times when I pray the rosary - I even fall asleep out of nowhere during the mysteries. I have to say I’m an introvert which makes me overthink a lot - even during prayers. Maybe, we should ask God or Mother Mary to pray for us to be focused on praying.

Oh and btw, what I heard about the Protestants saying in regards to Mother Mary is that they think us Catholics adore her. I don’t know if this is true, is it? Anyway, we don’t actually adore her - we just venerate her (oh and don’t trust what the Oxford Dictionary says in their Thesaurus. Adoration is not synonymous to Veneration )

 

[liturgyluver]

Every time we call Mary, “Blessed”, we are fulfilling scripture, doing what the Bible said we should be doing.

I can never, ever, not once, remember a single Protestant on this forum or anywhere else that I’ve come into contact with refer to Mary as “Blessed”, not even to fulfill scripture. Generally, it’s been quite the opposite. If they hear of anyone calling her “Blessed” or in any way honoring her, they criticize that person, try to get him to stop.

The Protestants I’ve known have always said they just simply ignore her, and they advise everyone else to do the same.

Do you counts Anglicans as protestants - they usually refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and two of my favourite Marian hymns *For Mary Mother of Our Lord * youtube.com/watch?v=-YDJuh-jYNs and *Sing we of the Blessed Mother * youtube.com/watch?v=AtnEv8F6dN4 were penned by Anglicans and sung heartily today. Lutherans too pay high regard to Mary. I think you must have only met non-liturgical protestants.

 

[Per_Crucem]

I know protestants don’t understand why we pray the rosary. Or for anyone who does not understand why, let me help explain. Then let me know what you think.

I won’t go through every single prayer of the rosary but here is an idea of how and why.

We have mysteries.

We will start with the joyful mysteries.

First we say the Our Father, then ten Hail Mary’s. But there is a method to our madness

The first joyful mystery is the Annunciation, Which is Mary saying yes to God.
Now through these ten Hail Mary’s and one Our Father we think of how we are called to surrender our heart to God and do his will. You keep thinking of that.

Next the Visitation, When she visits her cousin Elizabeth. It humility. Can you imagine the Mother or GOD serving her cousin, We think how we need to help others. humble oneself.

Next is the Birth of Jesus. The son of GOD, born in a stable. It teaches us to detach oneself from material things in this world.

Next the Presentation, when Mary submits here child to the Law of Moses. It teaches us to be obedient to the laws. We must obey them today also.

Next Finding Jesus in the temple. Jesus in the temple, It teaches us knowledge does not come from just a book, it is a true Gift from God, Remember the teachers were teaching Jesus, next thing you see HE a CHILD was teaching them.

That’s pretty much it few more prayers and it over. But your mind is really concentrating on these things.

Will show another mystery later.

There are 4.

You rotate days.

But what you do is put yourself there, and try to live it out all day. So far, what do you think?

Will show more later.

Here is our humble contribution.

wikihow.com/Pray-the-Lutheran-Rosary

 

[Memaw]

As an Anglican I sometimes pray the Rosary as a private devotion. I rather like this little booklet from the CTS ‘Praying the Rosary with Icons’.

ctsbooks.org/praying-the-rosary-with-icons/

The Church of England Kalendar has several Marian feast days. In my diocese our cathedral church is dedicated to the BVM and on such feast days we end the Intercessions with the Ave.

Marian shrines in our cathedral (there’s also a Pieta with votives not pictured here).

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Wonderful, keep it up. Catholics do not have a monopoly on Mary. She is the Mother of your Savior too. She loves us all as does Her SON. God Bless, Memaw

 

[wmscott]

That still doesn’t answer my question, because I’m legitimately curious.

After confession; for penance does a Priest often say to say “X” number of hail Mary’s?

Actually the last time I went to confession (this past Easter) the priest asked me to pray for those who were to be baptized and entering into the faith. As for me personally I “Prayed” not said a few Hail Mary’s, a Glory Be, and an Our Father. But it is Prayer!!! not just saying something for the sake of saying something. If during confession a priest gives 10 hail Mary’s as a penance, it could be that the penitent may need some peace of mind and soul. Because it is Prayer it is spiritually healing. Aside from that, tell me what word, phrase, or sentence would be offensive to God or any Christian?

 

[rcwitness]

That still doesn’t answer my question, because I’m legitimately curious.

After confession; for penance does a Priest often say to say “X” number of hail Mary’s?

I think I am understanding what you are getting at. Ofcourse, correct me if i’m wrong.

Prayer towards Mary, even though it may only be as a petition for her prayers to Jesus the One Mediator, is sometimes demanded of the Catholic when given a required penence from a priest in Reconciliation.

I can definitely sympathize your concern for this matter dronald, because I have reservations to follow private devotions towards Mary and the Saints

Here is my rational of the practice:
When we go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, we are there because we have sinned against God. And our individual sins, no matter how private affect the whole body…

2 Corinthians 2:5
But if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but to some extent—not to exaggerate it—to all of you.

…So when we sin we are hurting the body which we were adopted into. We believe, in this frame of heart, that we have recourse to Jesus through our brothers and sisters in the faith also. We are all Jesus…

Acts 9:4
“Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

…Therefore, we can say that grave sin separates us from our brothers and sisters too. confessing before them whom we have caused hurt, is appropriate. And as James tells us, the prayers of a righteous person (one who is in right standing with God through Jesus) has power to bring forgiveness. The Church has always recognized Mary as having a most pure standing with the Lord through the grace given her and her pure belief. She is already brought into that perfect union with God. She is our Mother in this sense.

James 5
The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective…
My brothers and sisters,[g] if anyone among you wanders from the truth and is brought back by another, 20 you should know that whoever brings back a sinner from wandering will save the sinner’s[h] soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Paz de Cristo
Michael

 

[ClearWater]

Do you counts Anglicans as protestants - they usually refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and two of my favourite Marian hymns *For Mary Mother of Our Lord * youtube.com/watch?v=-YDJuh-jYNs and *Sing we of the Blessed Mother * youtube.com/watch?v=AtnEv8F6dN4 were penned by Anglicans and sung heartily today. Lutherans too pay high regard to Mary. I think you must have only met non-liturgical protestants.

The ones I have crossed paths with are mainly ones who don’t recognize Mary.