That site doesn’t like Lutherans very much, either.
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And I would ask …what do you think about the Protestant Miracles throught Pentecostal and non Pentecostal Protestant churchs…are they equal in validity to the Catholic MiraclesProtestants, what is your opinion on Catholic miracles. Paricularly, miracles of Catholic saints, most notablely stigmatists like Padre Pio that have been well-documented and examined, and others such as St. Francis of Assissi, the Eucharistic Miracles, apparitions (not just Marian, but of St. Joseph, St. Michael, and of Christ, etc.) and other such miracles. And well-documented episodes of exorcism and such by the Church’s ordained ministers. While we’re at it, what do you also think of such great evangelists that converted hundreds of thousands, such as St. Francis Xavier (my patron) and St. Francis de Sales?
What do these miracles mean to you, how do you view them, and do they change your view of Catholicism, or what? Just wanted a general consensus on Protestants’ thoughts on Catholic miracles.
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I used to be a Protestant (fundamentalist baptist), until after a lot of prayer, studying scriptures through a Catholic lens and reading the Church Fathers I became a Catholic and entered the Church last year. One thing that amazed me when studying the Catholic Church was all the miracles.
When I was a Baptist, every now and then you would hear about somebody being healed from a sickness or something like that, but nothing like you find in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church truly is the miracle church and God performs miracles through His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which can be observed, witnessed to and tested by science. For example, the tulmit of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the miracles at Lourdes, all the incorruptible Saints, Fatima, the shroud of Turin, the list goes on and on and on.
You don’t find nothing even remotely close to this in the Protestant sects. I’ve searched and searched. I watched an interview of a man who used to work for Jack Chick and he converted to the Catholic Church. One of the reasons for his conversion was because of all the confirmed and documented miracles in the Catholic Church.
Now I’m not saying that the Holy Spirit doesn’t work miracles with Protestants on an individual level. I’m sure He does and praise God for it. What I’m saying is you have to test things like St. Paul says to do. In all of Salvation History, God has worked miracles with His people to validate and show His true Church. The entire Bible is loaded with public miracles that showed the truth of God’s covenants with Man-Kind. It only makes sense that we have all of these public miracles in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church truly is Gods plan for the salvation of Man-Kind and He has and probably will, continue to perform public miracles in His Church.
To all my Protestant brothers and sisters, I challenge you to seriously consider investigating the Catholic Church. Read the writings of the first Christians, read the Bible with a Catholic understanding and see how much more sense it makes, study the miracles God has performed through the Catholic Church and see how many people have been lead to Christ because of them.
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Basinite:I used to be a Protestant (fundamentalist baptist), until after a lot of prayer, studying scriptures through a Catholic lens and reading the Church Fathers I became a Catholic and entered the Church last year. One thing that amazed me when studying the Catholic Church was all the miracles.
When I was a Baptist, every now and then you would hear about somebody being healed from a sickness or something like that, but nothing like you find in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church truly is the miracle church and God performs miracles through His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which can be observed, witnessed to and tested by science. For example, the tulmit of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the miracles at Lourdes, all the incorruptible Saints, Fatima, the shroud of Turin, the list goes on and on and on.
You don’t find nothing even remotely close to this in the Protestant sects. I’ve searched and searched. I watched an interview of a man who used to work for Jack Chick and he converted to the Catholic Church. One of the reasons for his conversion was because of all the confirmed and documented miracles in the Catholic Church.
Now I’m not saying that the Holy Spirit doesn’t work miracles with Protestants on an individual level. I’m sure He does and praise God for it. What I’m saying is you have to test things like St. Paul says to do. In all of Salvation History, God has worked miracles with His people to validate and show His true Church. The entire Bible is loaded with public miracles that showed the truth of God’s covenants with Man-Kind. It only makes sense that we have all of these public miracles in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church truly is Gods plan for the salvation of Man-Kind and He has and probably will, continue to perform public miracles in His Church.
To all my Protestant brothers and sisters, I challenge you to seriously consider investigating the Catholic Church. Read the writings of the first Christians, read the Bible with a Catholic understanding and see how much more sense it makes, study the miracles God has performed through the Catholic Church and see how many people have been lead to Christ because of them.
Thank you for your insightful post! You captured what I might have suspected.
Yet, the OP asked a question:
But then we get from NDfan his description or message of Fatima:What do these miracles mean to you, how do you view them, and do they change your view of Catholicism, or what? Just wanted a general consensus on Protestants’ thoughts on Catholic miracles.
While this is his understanding or perception, we as Catholics have not adequately communicated what was experienced by those 70,000 individuals. Of course, there were Jews, Muslims, and other Non-Catholics who converted after witnessing that event, but to the point. The message of Fatima consists of a number of precise predictions, request, warnings and promises concerning the Faith and the world which were conveyed by the Blessed Virgin Mary to the three shepherd children from May to October 1917.
Some people may not want to be challenged with their beliefs and come to their own conclusions, such as satanic rituals and the like. Some people might have too much pride as these events, these tools have not been given to them in their mind today. Therefore, they can only dismiss them in their own fashion.
For me, I never knew there were the number of miracles as I have now become aware of from this Internet service. My conclusion is why are they continually associated with this one religion? Is my Lord trying to tell me something?
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Okay. I view myself as ecumenical, with both Protestant and Catholic family members. As a result I have been interested in bringing Christians together, though I find that most posters here only seem interested in converting Protestants. I have found that millions have converted, but of these a high percentage have left Catholicism. At least that's my impression from what I see around me. In Connecticut - a recent study showed - 50% of the population once identified as Catholic. Today it is 38%. I'd be interested in knowing why. Protestant percentage remained about the same - 37%. What grew enormously was that group which indicated no religious preference or involvement. Catholicism appears to maintain its proportion of the US population (roughly 25%) because of the massive influx of Latinos, legal and illegal, and many of those have embraced the pentecostal form of Protestantism.
I have trouble with most miracles, even some noted in the Bible. Really, now, did that rod of Moses turn into a snake? Did Jesus really feed 5000+ plus with only the lunch of a boy? I don't see them as lies, but rather as pious efforts by devoted followers to show how much Moses, Jesus and others were revered.
But let's focus on Padre Pio for a moment. Sorry, but I simply can't believe that he levitated, that he could be at two places at the same time (bilocation?), that he knew the sins of those who came to confess before they confessed, and more. Because of this doubt I also tend to dismiss his stigmata and dismiss claims that he was a prophet, a healer, etc. Was he a fraud? Maybe not. Maybe the problem is credulity of gullible admirers rather than Padre Pio, If you've ever played the game 'rumor' you are well aware how things get corrupted, magnified, distorted, and twisted as they go from person to person.
There are many Catholics and Protestants who are wowed by supposed miracles. You find them galore in Islam and other religions too, When I was in Korea I found that the Buddhists have their share of miracles. When I spent time in India Hinduism is jammed full of miracles. I can't help but view much of this as primitive superstition. There seems to be a need among many to latch on to miracles. Why? Well, why do so many people read the wild tabloid press?
I am, however, more open to the idea that faith can be a great healer of both body and mind, and that would take some explanation. But as for levitation and appearing at two different places at the same time - no, thanks. I believe that this sort of emphasis drives away many thinking people and helps explain why so many Europeans, Americans and others have turned from organized religion.
God bless the whole world - no exceptions.
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Absolutely not. How can you compare ANY Eucharistic Miracles, with the countless Miracles from the Blessed Mother, and the thousands of Miracles concerning the Saints to anything Pentacostal/Protestant? Just ain’t gonna happen. As far as I am concerned, they are all fakes.
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what is a miracle?Protestants, what is your opinion on Catholic miracles. Paricularly, miracles of Catholic saints, most notablely stigmatists like Padre Pio that have been well-documented and examined, and others such as St. Francis of Assissi, the Eucharistic Miracles, apparitions (not just Marian, but of St. Joseph, St. Michael, and of Christ, etc.) and other such miracles. And well-documented episodes of exorcism and such by the Church’s ordained ministers. While we’re at it, what do you also think of such great evangelists that converted hundreds of thousands, such as St. Francis Xavier (my patron) and St. Francis de Sales?
What do these miracles mean to you, how do you view them, and do they change your view of Catholicism, or what? Just wanted a general consensus on Protestants’ thoughts on Catholic miracles.
i know of pio and the apparitions but i don’t know if they are miracles. this opens the door to a lot of skepticism.
i’d turn to the Bible on such matters to check out what God warns of. does God call us by to faith by what we see or what we hear?
so through these signs does God get the glory?
what about Jesus, is he glorified?
that is what i look for to see if it from God or not.
our lady of guadalupe quote “I wish that a temple be erected here quickly, so I may therein exhibit and give all My love, compassion, help, and protection, because I am your merciful mother, to you and to all the inhabitants on this land and all the rest who love Me, invoke and confide in Me, to listen there to their lamentations, and remedy all their miseries, afflictions and sorrows.”
i could put the words from the apparition of fatima but you all know where i am going.
God bless you.
You may have a point, except we don’t see the Pope in that kind of a singular role. He is certainly one of the Patriarchs, perhaps even first among equals. And of course, Lutherans would (should) say that the reformation is not over or successful until communion with him is retored. Pray for the day.
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Scepticism to whom? non-Catholics who have never even read the life of St. Padre Pio? If it weren’t for this particular saint, I wouldn’t be the way I am.
And why don’t you say the words of Fatima so I could explain them to you.
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Jon, Yes I will pray for that day, because Lutherans need to come home. A run away child needs the security of their Home/Catholic Church.
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Any time a sacrament is celebrated, a miracle takes place. Regardless of church.
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This is off-topic, but I’ll answer anyway. I believe that there can be, and are, miracles which occur in Protestant ecclesial communities which are truly seeking God. I believe “miracles” and other such things in Pentecostal communities are dubious though, not because they are not seeking God necessarily, but because of their tendency to sensationalize things and their undue emphasis on financial prosperity and monetary “miracles”. Not that God cannot bless someone that way, but there are things way more important to God than finances, specifically, the state of the soul and its charitibility and Christ-like nature.
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NDfan,
In all of the apparations of Mary (Lourdes, Fatima, La Sallette, Rue de Bac, Betania, Medjegorje, and more), she is always pointing to her son, Jesus. Mary never says “Come to me…” or anything like that. she always says something along the lines of “Look to my son for your life, your hope, your peace.”
As for the Rosary. The Rosary is pure scripture. The Our Father is straight out of scripture, the Hail Mary is straight scripture when Gabriel gives Mary his greeting “Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb”, and the Glory Be is pure scripture also. Most of the mysteries are straight from scripture. There are twenty mysteries of the Rosary. 18 are straight out of scripture and two are implied (the assumption of Mary into Heaven and her coronation).
I hope this helps you.
Peace in Christ,
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