Protestants and Confession

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The way I understand it, the only way to get a mortal sin forgiven is to go to Confession or make an Act of Perfect Contrition. What about the Protestants who cannot receive Confession, nor can make a perfect act of contrition. Are they just doomed?
 
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FuzzyBunny116:
The way I understand it, the only way to get a mortal sin forgiven is to go to Confession or make an Act of Perfect Contrition. What about the Protestants who cannot receive Confession, nor can make a perfect act of contrition. Are they just doomed?
You must do both. You must make an Act of Perfect Contrition and go to Confession.

As to whether Protestants can make use of the Sacrament of Penance, I don’t think so. I know that canididates (Protestants usually) coming into the Church during RCIA are allowed to receive the Sacrament of Penance (necessary because of the reception of First Holy Communion).
 
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Dropper:
You must do both. You must make an Act of Perfect Contrition and go to Confession.

As to whether Protestants can make use of the Sacrament of Penance, I don’t think so. I know that canididates (Protestants usually) coming into the Church during RCIA are allowed to receive the Sacrament of Penance (necessary because of the reception of First Holy Communion).
I know Protestants can’t. Also, I don’t think you have to make perfect contrition, meaning, you are sorry for your sins because you have offended God, not just for fear of Hell. That would completely defeat the point of Confession if you did.
 
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FuzzyBunny116:
I know Protestants can’t. Also, I don’t think you have to make perfect contrition, meaning, you are sorry for your sins because you have offended God, not just for fear of Hell. That would completely defeat the point of Confession if you did.
The aim of going to Confession is to confess your sins because you have offended God, and not because you are scared of going to Hell. We should always be trying to make a perfect contrition.
 
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thistle:
The aim of going to Confession is to confess your sins because you have offended God, and not because you are scared of going to Hell. We should always be trying to make a perfect contrition.
Precisely!
 
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thistle:
The aim of going to Confession is to confess your sins because you have offended God, and not because you are scared of going to Hell. We should always be trying to make a perfect contrition.
Hi\owever, the Church has ruled that imperfect contrition is all that is required for absolution in Confession. Regardless of what may be more perfect, please do not make statements that are contrary to what the Church has ruled. It is very difficult for to achieve perfect contrition - we may say the words, we may hope that we mean them, but we may still have some fear of hell involved, therefore, not achieving perfect contrition. The requirement for perfect contrition, which you appear to claim, would make it almost impossible for any of us to receive absolution.

This is simply not the case.
 
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FuzzyBunny116:
The way I understand it, the only way to get a mortal sin forgiven is to go to Confession or make an Act of Perfect Contrition. What about the Protestants who cannot receive Confession, nor can make a perfect act of contrition. Are they just doomed?
First, in order for a sin to be a mortal sin, the person must be aware that it is a mortal sin. There are many sins the Catholic Church teaches to be mortal sins (i.e. missing Mass on Sunday), that Protestants don’t understand to be sins at all. For really big mortal sins that every human heart knows to be a big sin, Protestants have access to perfect contrition. Perfect contrition doesn’t have to be a set prayer; it is when the person is truly sorry for their sin, arising not from fear of punishment but out of love for God.

Catholics are given many, many graces in the Sacrements of the Church to help us. Protestants don’t have access to all those graces, and so I think our merciful God, who longs for the salvation of every human soul, judges them based on what they knew.
 
As was noted above, one must know something to be grave matter for a mortal sin to be committed. I’m sure this is much harder when one does not believe in mortal sin, as most Protestants don’t. However, assuming they have those sins on their souls, God’s mercy is capable of taking the particulars of their situation into their account. The Church can only judge those who come under her jurisdiction, and that means the same rules don’t always apply to Protestants as Catholics. For instance, two Protestants can contract a valid marriage outside of the Church, while a Catholic marrying outside the Church (without permission) cannot. The same leeway could exist for those with no access to the sacrament of penance, i.e. a lesser standard which mercifully acknowledges their ignorance of the Truth… God only knows.
 
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Dropper:
You must do both. You must make an Act of Perfect Contrition and go to Confession.

As to whether Protestants can make use of the Sacrament of Penance, I don’t think so. I know that canididates (Protestants usually) coming into the Church during RCIA are allowed to receive the Sacrament of Penance (necessary because of the reception of First Holy Communion).
If you go to confession, you can have imperfect contirtion and still be forgiven. That has always been the teaching of the church.
 
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Topher:
If you go to confession, you can have imperfect contirtion and still be forgiven. That has always been the teaching of the church.
That is correct. I should have clarified my first post. It seemed that they indicated that you can do either/or. I meant to show that you cannot make an Act of Perfect Contrition and skip sacramental confession.
 
From what I understand, Perfect contrition is enough to be in a state of grace. (This assumes an intention to go to confession, but we can’t expect that out of Protestants.) Any Protestant who is truly repentant of his sin is in a state of grace.
 
I find it interesting that many people are so worried about the Protestants being saved or damned forever because of Confession or the lack there of. It is good to be concerned about your fellow humans. 🙂 I can’t speak for all other fellow Protestants, but in my faith I was taught to make confession to God. I was taught that God was loving and listened to our prayers and to our confessions. We didn’t need another person to intercede for us with Him. However, pastors will hear confessions and guide you through them. They will pray with you and for you. The act of confessing sins does NOT guarantee redemption. Christ says, “for by grace have you been saved by faith, this is not of your own doing but a gift from God.” Your faith and belief in Christ is what will save you as a Christian. If you reject this gift then you have a problem.
I was reading in another topic/thread about Protestant sevices and how they have nothing of substance, so why bother going. After reading that I was hurt, and yet I thought “you know, those same people wonder why there is a rift between Catholics and Protestants, and why Protestants “dislike” Catholics.” Who doesn’t like whom here? When I was youth director at my church we did a “faith study” and visited many different churches in our area, including the other Lutheran synods, Catholic, Seventh Day, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Jewish. What the kids found most interesting was the fact that the Catholic and Lutheran services are very similar. We discussed this at great length with the priest, showing the kids that the Lutheran faith was founded on Luther’s teachings, but that he didn’t create the Lutheran church. He remained Catholic his entire life…he just wanted the Mass to be presented to the people in the vernacular. The entire Lutheran Order of Worship is based on the Mass from start to finish. The same texts are used, many of the same prayers. (Lutherans that condemn the Catholic church really don’t understand their own heritage…in my opinion.) So, for those of you who really feel that there is nothing of substance in a Protestant church, go to a Lutheran church. (Be sure they are not doing a contemporary service, you might not like that as well.) You will find that you can follow quite well what is going on. They even use the same Scripture readings! (unless your readings for the day are coming from the books that the Lutherans don’t have.) If you still feel the need to go back to Mass, check the times so you can make both. I don’t mean that nastily, either. I agree that some of the Protestant services are “lacking” something, but that’s because I was raised on Liturgy, and I like it. BUT when I go to another churches services I don’t feel like I haven’t received something from it. It was worship. Christ didn’t have a church building to preach in. He used whatever he had available. A building is a building, man made…Christ used the world, the beauty that His Father created for his church. Can Catholics do that?
On at lighter note: I recently taught in a Catholic school system, and it was brought up that it would be fun to do the Mass in Latin. Some of the other teachers were against the idea because no one knew it…except the priest. I, the vocal music teacher, raised my hand and said that I could do the entire service in Latin, and would be more than happy to teach the choir the mass in Latin. We’d already worked on some of it for a contest piece. The priest, who is a very dear friend, laughed and said “that’s great, the “token” Lutheran can do the Mass in Latin.” We never did do it in Latin, but the choir did superbly at contest!
Have a wonderful Christ filled day!
 
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aria13:
The act of confessing sins does NOT guarantee redemption. Christ says, “for by grace have you been saved by faith, this is not of your own doing but a gift from God.” Your faith and belief in Christ is what will save you as a Christian.
It’s true that your faith in Christ is necessary—however—are you saying that once your “saved” it doesn’t matter what you do because you’re “saved”? That contrition for your sins isn’t necessary because Jesus already died for you and you’re “saved?”
 
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FuzzyBunny116:
The way I understand it, the only way to get a mortal sin forgiven is to go to Confession or make an Act of Perfect Contrition. What about the Protestants who cannot receive Confession, nor can make a perfect act of contrition. Are they just doomed?
Yes, except for the mercy of God.
 
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PiusXIII:
It’s true that your faith in Christ is necessary—however—are you saying that once your “saved” it doesn’t matter what you do because you’re “saved”? That contrition for your sins isn’t necessary because Jesus already died for you and you’re “saved?”
That is exactly what Protestants believe. They say that the Sacrifice of Christ at Calvary forgave all sins totally, and once you accept Christ Jesus into your heart and accept him as your savior, you are saved. Period. No chance of going to Hell, and they never did believe in Purgatory. Once you accept Christ, you will never want to commit sins again, but even if you do, 👍 His sacrifice took care of everything. The key is accepting Christ as your savior. It’s a one shot deal.

UNIVERSAL SALVATION.

No need for good works, no need for The Sacraments, no need for anything at all except accepting Christ as your Savior.

Makes things real simple doesn’t it???
 
I wish that all the Catholics who post here would remember that others read what we write. We should refrain from making rude statements and broad generalizations about other Christians. We can believe Catholicism to be true without mocking those who have not yet been given (and who might never be given) the grace of faith in Catholic teachings.
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aria13:
…Christ says, “for by grace have you been saved by faith, this is not of your own doing but a gift from God.” …
…I was reading in another topic/thread about Protestant sevices and how they have nothing of substance, so why bother going. After reading that I was hurt…
Hi aria, I’m sorry that you were hurt by reading the opinions of some Catholics that are posted on this forum. Even those who may post less-than-diplomatic opinions usually have good intentions. But there is a division between Catholics and Protestants that is difficult to mend as we usually view things like interpretation of the Scriptures and Sacraments differently. Like you I believe in grace–but I believe the Sacrament of Confession is a beautiful grace from God–a sacrament institued by Christ. I believe we find this in the Bible when the Risen Jesus said to his Apostles "if you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven…"John 20:23
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palmas85:
That is exactly what Protestants believe. They say that the Sacrifice of Christ at Calvary forgave all sins totally, and once you accept Christ Jesus into your heart and accept him as your savior, you are saved. Period.
Not all Protestants believe that way. There are many denominations that do not accept “once saved always saved” theology.

Now those Catholics who said or thought offensive things about our Protestant brothers and sisters, go make a good Sacramental confession.🙂 And any Protestants who sinned, make a sincere confession to God–and if God gives you the chance, make a Sacramental confession.😉
 
Palmas85: How good of you to explain what Protestants believe. :rolleyes: When I first read your post, I was absolutely furious; then, because I realized ignorance is not always bliss, I let it go. Today I reread your post and came up with the same conclusion. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, then maybe you shouldn’t say anything. Your callous remarks are some of the reasons why there are still so many problems between faiths.

PiusXIII: I’m sorry that you misunderstood me. If you really read my posting you would have read how the Lutheran service encompasses the entire order of the Mass…including the confession of sins. We just don’t go to another person to intercede for us. As far as “good works” go, hmmm…that poses another strong question of different beliefs. You don’t get to heaven by good works; but being a good person is not just a “Christian thing!” Yes, we follow and live by the 10 Commandments, but so do many other faiths. And there are laws that also follow the Commandements. BUT, isn’t a lot of being a good person human nature? I certainly hope so. I have Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and agnostic friends. All are very kind, loving people. They don’t steal or kill. They live a life that many Christians should reflect; but yet they don’t believe in the same things a Christian does. Do I wonder if their goals of eternal life are the same? Of course I do.

Now, a question for you Pius…I take it that you go to Confession on a regular basis, and from what I’ve read from your posts, you are a good person. If a person goes to confession on a regular basis, confesses his/her sins, and then turns around and does the same exact sins, is that person truly forgiven of those sins? (said person has no medical/mental afflictions) Many Protestant faiths believe that confession without repentance, and without professing their faith and belief in Christ would not give forgiveness from God for those sins. I hope that helps a little in clearing up what some Protestants believe about confession.

Palmas85: I just reread your post again. You said that Protestants believe that once you’ve accepted Christ you “never want to commit sins again.” You are so wrong, because I have accepted Christ and I am a Christian, but everytime I read your post some very unpleasant thoughts cross my mind. :o (it’s those hot-headed ancestors coming through) But I have to keep telling myself that not everyone is well versed in manners and etiquette. I will forgive you and pray for you. Oh yeah…Protestant faiths DO HAVE SACRAMENTS, and I still don’t believe in Purgatory.

Gardenswithkids: I thank you for your kind, loving ways of trying to smooth things out. You are truly blessed with a gift. The man I’m dating is Catholic and we often have discussions about our different faiths. He told me once that one of the reasons that he was attracted to me was my strong convictions in my faith and belief in Christ. I’m as strong in my Lutheran beliefs as he is in his Catholic. Yes, we have some discussions on faith, the Bible, and beliefs. We don’t tear each other down, we love each other for our differences. Hmmm…I think this has helped me make some pretty important decisions.

Everyone, have a wonderful day.
 
One point that should be made about confession is that it isn’t just to “get these things off our chests,” (although that DOES feel wonderful).

There is the imparting of grace we receive that makes us stronger to resist the temptation to sin again. Sort of like spiritual armor. It is very real, and works, as I have seen in my own life. I try to attend weekly myself, even if I feel like “meh, what did I do THAT badlt this week really…” simply because that Grace is so powerful. To be touched by the Holy Spirit is a gift indeed!

And regarding the “lack of substance” at Protestant services. perhaps the comment regarding the lack of the Body and Blood of Christ? I am only speculating, since I have no real context, but I have seen such opinions before (Scott Hahn for one comes to mind).

Anyway, interesting discussion.
 
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aria13:
Palmas85: How good of you to explain what Protestants believe. :rolleyes: When I first read your post, I was absolutely furious; then, because I realized ignorance is not always bliss, I let it go. Today I reread your post and came up with the same conclusion. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, then maybe you shouldn’t say anything. Your callous remarks are some of the reasons why there are still so many problems between faiths.

PiusXIII: I’m sorry that you misunderstood me. If you really read my posting you would have read how the Lutheran service encompasses the entire order of the Mass…including the confession of sins. We just don’t go to another person to intercede for us. As far as “good works” go, hmmm…that poses another strong question of different beliefs. You don’t get to heaven by good works; but being a good person is not just a “Christian thing!” Yes, we follow and live by the 10 Commandments, but so do many other faiths. And there are laws that also follow the Commandements. BUT, isn’t a lot of being a good person human nature? I certainly hope so. I have Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and agnostic friends. All are very kind, loving people. They don’t steal or kill. They live a life that many Christians should reflect; but yet they don’t believe in the same things a Christian does. Do I wonder if their goals of eternal life are the same? Of course I do.

Now, a question for you Pius…I take it that you go to Confession on a regular basis, and from what I’ve read from your posts, you are a good person. If a person goes to confession on a regular basis, confesses his/her sins, and then turns around and does the same exact sins, is that person truly forgiven of those sins? (said person has no medical/mental afflictions) Many Protestant faiths believe that confession without repentance, and without professing their faith and belief in Christ would not give forgiveness from God for those sins. I hope that helps a little in clearing up what some Protestants believe about confession.

Palmas85: I just reread your post again. You said that Protestants believe that once you’ve accepted Christ you “never want to commit sins again.” You are so wrong, because I have accepted Christ and I am a Christian, but everytime I read your post some very unpleasant thoughts cross my mind. :o (it’s those hot-headed ancestors coming through) But I have to keep telling myself that not everyone is well versed in manners and etiquette. I will forgive you and pray for you. Oh yeah…Protestant faiths DO HAVE SACRAMENTS, and I still don’t believe in Purgatory.

Gardenswithkids: I thank you for your kind, loving ways of trying to smooth things out. You are truly blessed with a gift. The man I’m dating is Catholic and we often have discussions about our different faiths. He told me once that one of the reasons that he was attracted to me was my strong convictions in my faith and belief in Christ. I’m as strong in my Lutheran beliefs as he is in his Catholic. Yes, we have some discussions on faith, the Bible, and beliefs. We don’t tear each other down, we love each other for our differences. Hmmm…I think this has helped me make some pretty important decisions.

Everyone, have a wonderful day.
Aria – you’re a Lutheran. In other words, you come from a theologically sophisticated tradition. Catholics are often assaulted by “Bible Christians” who really do believe a lot of the things you assert (rightly) that Lutherans do not. Once-saved-always-saved; once saved you will no longer sin; requiring people to go to Church on Sunday is absurd because it isn’t in the Bible – you’ve probably covered most of the ground. gardenswith kids is right: we need to remember that people coming here are not all cut out of the same anti-Catholic mold (although there are enough to keep us busy).

There’s another thread where people are listing non-Catholics they would like to be Catholic. The Lutheran, Dieterich Bonhoeffer, would be on my list!

Welcome.
 
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