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allischalmers
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Protestants Christians will go to heaven but they will skip over purgatory.
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rbarcia
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sara888
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** Rbarcia said:But Christ died for me, paying my debt with His Body and Blood, once and for all.**
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Paying what debt, he died for all humanity, so none of us would suffer final damnation in HELL…
You seem to suggest his death covers your sins in the present and future…???
That does not mean Christ blood covers your present and future sins, which he commands us as followers not to do, since sin sends one to hell. So if we keep sinning we go to Hell… All of us , catholic or protestant.
The whole idea is to refrain from sin as the Lord requires for true believers.
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puzzleannie
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there is nothing here to discuss or rebut. Provide a reliable source for a statement or claim, and we will discuss it. Or just take a short cut to the CA homepage and read the article on Salvation, then come back here with questions.
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wcknight
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IF you believe that you may be in for a rude awankening.
One idea has always made me wonder how anyone could buy into the once saved alwasy saved idea. A believer, gets drunks and murders his wife and kids, and commits suicide. This guy according to Protestant theory goes straight to Heaven having once confessed Jesus as his personal savior.
No consequences, no time in Purgatory, he gets basically a get out of jail free card, in spite being a rotten SOB and responsible for the suffering and death of his family. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. Please explain how that is just.
IF this is the case then, everything that Jesus warns us about is for naught. Why not just party and be happy ? What is the relavance of the narrow gate and wide gate and all the rest of it. Just proclaim Jesus is Lord and let the murder and mayhem begin. I like to call Protestant philosophy the Axe Murderers for Jesus Society. All you have to do is say the magic words and you’re home free.
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rbarcia
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Yes, Christ died so humanity would have the opportuity not to suffer infinitely in Hell. The reason why you we deserve hell is because we broke the law of God. Therefore, God, being a Holy and just judge will find us guilty.
Christ blood, being the only blood as acceptable payment because of it being the only pure blood, is offered as payment for those who broke the law (all of us), but repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ.
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Mark 10
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
Colossians 1:14
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
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This is the gospel. You have a debt to pay to the almighty God, but you have no acceptable payment. Only Christ’s blood is enough.
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1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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Yes, are you saying Christ’s sacrifice is not enough?
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Hebrews 10
12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
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Those who receive Christ, you being sanctified through His Blood daily. His one sacrifice covers sins, past, present, and future.
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Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
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Yes, I agree, but these people who willfully keep on sinning were never washed to begin with.
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and Christ loves us so much, He Himself lives in us helping us do so.
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1 John 5
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
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I agree that the whole idea is to for those who believe need to keep the commandments That is why it is so hard to believe. But that is what believing is. Because I believe in Christ, I therefore obey His commandment.
I never preached that God does not want us to keep His commandments. I also agree that there are many who say a sinner’s pray and think they are saved, but in there heart, they have made no real commitment to Christ.
You have to admit that there are pretenders in the catholic faith as well.
Salvation is only the beginning. We work out what we have with much fear and trembling because we fully understand the cost of it, God’s only Son.
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Steadfast
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It seems pretty clear to me that, at least since Vatican II the RCC teaches not only that Protestants can be saved but that, inasmuch as they, like Catholics must “trust and obey” consistently, they will be saved.
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wcknight
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No doubt many Protestants will be saved but any notion that they skip Purgatory is ludicrous. Absent living a near perfect saintly life, they have just as much personal responsibility as any Catholic.
In fact because they do not believe in prayer for the dead or indulgences, their opportunity to remit any time off from Purgatory is totally absent. Odds are the mere fact that they are Protestant, automatically guarantees that they will spend more time in Purgatory… not having prayers or masses said for them, not praying for the soon to be saints or Blessed Souls in Purgatory, not praying for the intercession of the saints or Our Blessed Mother, not having the devotion to Jesus, King of Divine Mercy, puts them at a major disadvantage from the start.
It’s a lot of useless suffering solely because they should have had a V8 !!!
In fact because they do not believe in prayer for the dead or indulgences, their opportunity to remit any time off from Purgatory is totally absent. Odds are the mere fact that they are Protestant, automatically guarantees that they will spend more time in Purgatory… not having prayers or masses said for them, not praying for the soon to be saints or Blessed Souls in Purgatory, not praying for the intercession of the saints or Our Blessed Mother, not having the devotion to Jesus, King of Divine Mercy, puts them at a major disadvantage from the start.
It’s a lot of useless suffering solely because they should have had a V8 !!!
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jmcrae
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Yes, and as the first Catholic in a family that has been Protestant since 1560, I feel the weight of the number of ancestors of mine who are in Purgatory (if not worse) who have had no one at all to pray for them until now.
“Should have had a V8” - what does that mean?
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wcknight
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It’s a stupid commercial, implying that they could have had the real deal. I will pray for your family as well as my own. 
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jmcrae
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Thank you!!It’s a stupid commercial, implying that they could have had the real deal. I will pray for your family as well as my own.
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santaro75
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This is all well and good. but Jesus said he who does the will of the father gets in
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happygal
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Hm who can tell you Protestants don’t go heaven?? Nobody will 100% know if they can make it to heaven anot so this is not an answer that anybody can say YES/NO . Maybe you should ask God why in the lst place there are corrupted operation in the Church then to ask him why he never prevent the division of church !!!
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Fidelis
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The fact that there was corruption in the Church at the time of the “Reformation” is a fact. The reason it was so was because the Church contains both sinnners and saints, wheat and tares. Always has, always will until the Lord returns.
The reason the Church is divided is also because of sinful and prideful men on both sides. However, it is arguable as to whether the corruption in the Church at the time of the “Reformation” was so bad that it necessitated the creation of a whole new branch of Christianity which, also through sin and pride and private interpretation of the Scriptures, has continued to multiply and constantly differentiate, thus making the possibility of reconciling Catholics and Protestants more and more remote. And we know from John 17, that this is not the will of God, but a scandal to an unbelieving world. “Become a Christian!” we tell the pagan. “Which of the 33,000 churches should I join?” he laughs.
Meanwhile, the Catholic Church founded by Christ, sometimes sinning but constantly reforming, and always keeping the truth handed down once for all from the saints, rolls on and on…
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exoflare
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In a case like this, if the person was being completely honest with their own conscience, he/she would not be held responsible.
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Brenda4God
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I have a lot of Protestant friends and I have to say that many of them are better Catholics than Catholics, if you know what I mean.
If the point of the Church is to make us into the image of Jesus, then I have a hard time thinking Protestants won’t be saved. I see Jesus so clearly in many of them!
But I’m not going to worry too much about this. I know they need to be Catholic. That’s “the fullness of the faith” and we’re supposed to follow the leaders Jesus appointed, not who we’d like to follow on any given day.
If the point of the Church is to make us into the image of Jesus, then I have a hard time thinking Protestants won’t be saved. I see Jesus so clearly in many of them!
But I’m not going to worry too much about this. I know they need to be Catholic. That’s “the fullness of the faith” and we’re supposed to follow the leaders Jesus appointed, not who we’d like to follow on any given day.
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Deo_Volente
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Grace & Peace!
Let’s not forget that point of the Christian journey is not “getting to heaven,” but being in relationship with God through Christ. Heaven, bliss, joy, all of these things are secondary to the unitive relationship with God (which happens to be blissful, joyful, heavenly).
I fear that so often we seek the accident, not the essence–we seek the joy, but not the Giver of Joy.
I once had a missionary ask me, “Do you know if you’re going to heaven?” And he was very flustered when I replied, “I don’t think that’s the point. I’ll trust in the mercy of God.”
Under the Mercy,
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Deo Gratias!
Let’s not forget that point of the Christian journey is not “getting to heaven,” but being in relationship with God through Christ. Heaven, bliss, joy, all of these things are secondary to the unitive relationship with God (which happens to be blissful, joyful, heavenly).
I fear that so often we seek the accident, not the essence–we seek the joy, but not the Giver of Joy.
I once had a missionary ask me, “Do you know if you’re going to heaven?” And he was very flustered when I replied, “I don’t think that’s the point. I’ll trust in the mercy of God.”
Under the Mercy,
Mark
Deo Gratias!
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Hi Mark,
What a wonderful point you’ve brought out. I think it dovetails with what I was trying to say, do you agree?
We should all love the idea of going to haeven, but because God is there. And the more we love what heaven is really about, the more we must be like Jesus.
What a wonderful point you’ve brought out. I think it dovetails with what I was trying to say, do you agree?
We should all love the idea of going to haeven, but because God is there. And the more we love what heaven is really about, the more we must be like Jesus.
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VociMike
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Nope. Anathema in the Catholic Church has nothing to do with damnation or destruction.
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