Protestants and miracles

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My question concerns Protestant faiths, and Apostolic-Pentecostals in general. I was raised and brought up in this church for all of my life. It is very charismatic and my family and others in the church are very sincere about their faith and beliefs. They don’t smoke, drink, curse, have sex before marriage, etc.

My mother, in particular, prays all the time and claims to have a deep relationship with and understanding of God. She tries to witness to almost everyone she meets and is very sincere in her beliefs. She claims that God deals with her in dreams and has witnessed miracles in her life through prayer. An example of this is one time, my mom when she was dating my dad (who was ironically a non-serious Catholic at the time) saw a rat in her basement while she was with my dad. She freaked about this, I guess as most would, and called her Pentecostal bishop immediately on the phone to pray for her. As soon as the bishop prayed, the rat immediately turned over and died, and my dad essentially converted to the Protestant faith after this prayer.

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So, essentially my question is** - if Catholicism is the only true way to God and is the only way to be saved (mainly because Catholics believe in Jesus’ real presence in the Eucharist) - how do you explain these types of miracles that happen in Protestant faiths? Not just with my “rat” example, but also with other people who are Protestants claiming to be healed and to have experienced joy in having faith in Jesus?

I assume that God is answering their prayers even though they are not Catholic? And if so, **can they be saved without being Catholic? **
 
God grants miracles to all…I’ll let someone more “learned” than me answer the rest.

Prayers to you.
 
batmon112 said:
My question concerns Protestant faiths, and Apostolic-Pentecostals in general. I was raised and brought up in this church for all of my life. It is very charismatic and my family and others in the church are very sincere about their faith and beliefs. They don’t smoke, drink, curse, have sex before marriage, etc.

My mother, in particular, prays all the time and claims to have a deep relationship with and understanding of God. She tries to witness to almost everyone she meets and is very sincere in her beliefs. She claims that God deals with her in dreams and has witnessed miracles in her life through prayer. An example of this is one time, my mom when she was dating my dad (who was ironically a non-serious Catholic at the time) saw a rat in her basement while she was with my dad. She freaked about this, I guess as most would, and called her Pentecostal bishop immediately on the phone to pray for her. As soon as the bishop prayed, the rat immediately turned over and died, and my dad essentially converted to the Protestant faith after this prayer.

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So, essentially my question is** - if Catholicism is the only true way to God and is the only way to be saved (mainly because Catholics believe in Jesus’ real presence in the Eucharist) - how do you explain these types of miracles that happen in Protestant faiths? Not just with my “rat” example, but also with other people who are Protestants claiming to be healed and to have experienced joy in having faith in Jesus?

I assume that God is answering their prayers even though they are not Catholic? And if so, **can they be saved without being Catholic? **
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Yes. The CC teaches non-Catholics can be saved and its NOT for Catholics only.
 
Nicea325 said:
There are some Catholics who believe others will attain salvation, which is just plain ignorant.
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? Is this what you intended to post for it seems as if you are posting only Catholics can be saved?

Maybe I misunderstood.
 
“In my father’s house are many mansions.”
“Anyone who is not against us is for us.”

God only knows who he chooses, we should not judge men’s hearts+
 
MaryT777 said:
? Is this what you intended to post for it seems as if you are posting only Catholics can be saved?

Maybe I misunderstood.
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Ooops! I meant to say:

There are some Catholics who believe others will NOT attain salvation, unless they are Catholics,which is just plain ignorant.
 
Nicea325 said:
There are some Catholics who believe others will attain salvation, which is just plain ignorant.
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I’ve been listening to Michael Voris of ChurchMilitant.TV for a few years and his talks about Protestants is convincing. Namely his argument is that the bible says that there will be no division (or disagreement) in heaven and that therefore only Catholics will be in heaven. That is not to say as the catechism of the Church says - that some people who are not Catholic may be saved in some circumstances. However, in heaven there can be no disagreement in our presence with God where truth is objective and absolute.

For example, there can’t be some people in heaven who call themselves “Christians” who reject the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, who deny the importance and role Mary, who practice contraception and other intrinsic evils, condone gay marriage, and yet “be perfect” as Christ himself commanded us to be. How can there be unity in heaven when some Christians accept this while others (namely Catholics) reject the above things?
 
batmon112 said:
My question concerns Protestant faiths, and Apostolic-Pentecostals in general. I was raised and brought up in this church for all of my life. It is very charismatic and my family and others in the church are very sincere about their faith and beliefs. They don’t smoke, drink, curse, have sex before marriage, etc.

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I assume that God is answering their prayers even though they are not Catholic? And if so, **can they be saved without being Catholic? **
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Personally I think

The unity of Heaven may not be as unity in this world.

And again, perhaps the unity would be in understanding we made mistakes.We all do!

Really though the unity of Heaven is unity under the wing of the love of God our loving Father and beyond our present understanding until it is shown to us.
 
batmon112 said:
I’ve been listening to Michael Voris of ChurchMilitant.TV for a few years and his talks about Protestants is convincing. Namely his argument is that the bible says that there will be no division (or disagreement) in heaven and that therefore only Catholics will be in heaven. That is not to say as the catechism of the Church says - that some people who are not Catholic may be saved in some circumstances. However, in heaven there can be no disagreement in our presence with God where truth is objective and absolute.

For example, there can’t be some people in heaven who call themselves “Christians” who reject the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, who deny the importance and role Mary, who practice contraception and other intrinsic evils, condone gay marriage, and yet “be perfect” as Christ himself commanded us to be. How can there be unity in heaven when some Christians accept this while others (namely Catholics) reject the above things?
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In Heaven, all that we need to know will be revealed, including things like the Eucharist. So, if people are told all the truth in Heaven, and if Catholics (of which I believe) are right, then people will come to believe all the Catholic Church teaches when they get to Heaven. And, therefore, all in Heaven will be Catholic, even if they weren’t on earth.
 
batmon112 said:
I’ve been listening to Michael Voris of ChurchMilitant.TV for a few years and his talks about Protestants is convincing. Namely his argument is that the bible says that there will be no division (or disagreement) in heaven and that therefore only Catholics will be in heaven. That is not to say as the catechism of the Church says - that some people who are not Catholic may be saved in some circumstances. However, in heaven there can be no disagreement in our presence with God where truth is objective and absolute.

For example, there can’t be some people in heaven who call themselves “Christians” who reject the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, who deny the importance and role Mary, who practice contraception and other intrinsic evils, condone gay marriage, and yet “be perfect” as Christ himself commanded us to be. How can there be unity in heaven when some Christians accept this while others (namely Catholics) reject the above things?
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We leave that to God’s judgement.

Romans 2:

6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

Revelation 14:13

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
 
For the most part Catholics don’t bother about non-Catholic miracles. An individual alleged miracle might not have really happened at all, might have a natural explanation, might have a demonic origin (particularly in something like the killing of an animal such as you describe), or finally God might have chosen to act in this way for his own mysterious reasons. Who’s to say?
 
batmon112 said:
I’ve been listening to Michael Voris of ChurchMilitant.TV for a few years and his talks about Protestants is convincing. Namely his argument is that the bible says that there will be no division (or disagreement) in heaven and that therefore only Catholics will be in heaven. That is not to say as the catechism of the Church says - that some people who are not Catholic may be saved in some circumstances. However, in heaven there can be no disagreement in our presence with God where truth is objective and absolute.

For example, there can’t be some people in heaven who call themselves “Christians” who reject the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, who deny the importance and role Mary, who practice contraception and other intrinsic evils, condone gay marriage, and yet “be perfect” as Christ himself commanded us to be. How can there be unity in heaven when some Christians accept this while others (namely Catholics) reject the above things?
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i believe souls which were not in full communion with God’s teachings through the Catholic Church and which did not die in a state of holiness will go to purgatory and be educated(purified) appropriately.Such that by the time they reach heaven they will all be catholic.
 
batmon112 said:
My question concerns Protestant faiths, and Apostolic-Pentecostals in general. I was raised and brought up in this church for all of my life. It is very charismatic and my family and others in the church are very sincere about their faith and beliefs. They don’t smoke, drink, curse, have sex before marriage, etc.

My mother, in particular, prays all the time and claims to have a deep relationship with and understanding of God. She tries to witness to almost everyone she meets and is very sincere in her beliefs. She claims that God deals with her in dreams and has witnessed miracles in her life through prayer. An example of this is one time, my mom when she was dating my dad (who was ironically a non-serious Catholic at the time) saw a rat in her basement while she was with my dad. She freaked about this, I guess as most would, and called her Pentecostal bishop immediately on the phone to pray for her. As soon as the bishop prayed, the rat immediately turned over and died, and my dad essentially converted to the Protestant faith after this prayer.

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So, essentially my question is** - if Catholicism is the only true way to God and is the only way to be saved (mainly because Catholics believe in Jesus’ real presence in the Eucharist) - how do you explain these types of miracles that happen in Protestant faiths? Not just with my “rat” example, but also with other people who are Protestants claiming to be healed and to have experienced joy in having faith in Jesus?

I assume that God is answering their prayers even though they are not Catholic? And if so, **can they be saved without being Catholic? **
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God does indeed work in protestant churches. I was miraculously healed in a pentecostal church by the Holy Spirit. But God has also led me from being a very anti-Catholic believer at the time to a I don’t know what Catholics believe really believer, to a I think Catholic has always had the truth and is the Church that Jesus founded and still remains with. One of my favorite books on healing is The Power To Heal by Francis MacNutt which I got hold of when I was very anti-Catholic. Protestant is a really good stepping stone to the Catholic Church.
 
Darryl_B said:
God does indeed work in protestant churches. I was miraculously healed in a pentecostal church by the Holy Spirit. But God has also led me from being a very anti-Catholic believer at the time to a I don’t know what Catholics believe really believer, to a I think Catholic has always had the truth and is the Church that Jesus founded and still remains with. One of my favorite books on healing is The Power To Heal by Francis MacNutt which I got hold of when I was very anti-Catholic. Protestant is a really good stepping stone to the Catholic Church.
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I’m happy to hear of your miraculous healing! Excellent. Yes God is at work everywhere.
 
I think there is a misconception here about what the church says about salvation out side of the Catholic Church. The Church does not say/teach that only Catholics make it to heaven. Rather, what the Church teaches is that Salvation outside of the Church is possible however, Salvation is easier via the Catholic Church because we have the fullness of faith.
I believe miracles are possible anywhere because God is present every where. but the greatest miracle occurs each time a Mass is said. Bread and Wine become body and blood. Jesus comes to dwell among us. Amen!
 
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