Protestants and Pageantry

[amontoya]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

 

[MaryT777]

Interesting thought.

 

[JonNC]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

I haven’t heard this before, but look forward to hearing from those who claim this.

Jon

 

[aspirant]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election

None of the ones I know complained. What sort of Protestants are complaining, in your experience?

Why is it that Protestants… say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Anglicans, for obvious reasons, would not complain about that. But neither have I heard about any Anglicans complaining about the papal election. I can easily imagine a Southern Baptist complaining about both, but I haven’t actually encountered any doing either.

 

[amontoya]

The complaints that I have heard came from Calvinists, and non-denominational “Bible believing” Christians. I’ve spoken with them online and in person. The comments I get are mainly sarcastic regarding how humble the new Pope is when he surrounded by people cheering for him in St. Peter’s, and going through the installation Mass.

I just found it odd that people would complain about Catholic ceremonies, but not the Anglican ceremonies. It seems like if you have a problem with one, you would have a problem with the other.

When I ask about it, I hear that it’s an entirely different situation, with no other explanation.

 

[bitznbitez]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

Because they only hate the Catholic church, the pomp is just one of the things they like to complain about.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

The sorts of Protestants opposed to pomp and pageantry have historically tended to see Anglicanism (and to a lesser extent, Lutheranism) as being “tainted” with elements of Catholicism. In fact, the Puritans were so called because they wanted to “purify” the religion of the English Church from such elements as were retained from Catholic worship, or too closely resembled it. So to be fair, it’s not exactly a double-standard. Where the double-standard lies is in retaining parts of the Catholic faith, and saying others are superfluous.

 

[MaryT777]

The complaints that I have heard came from Calvinists, and non-denominational “Bible believing” Christians. I’ve spoken with them online and in person. The comments I get are mainly sarcastic regarding how humble the new Pope is when he surrounded by people cheering for him in St. Peter’s, and going through the installation Mass.

I just found it odd that people would complain about Catholic ceremonies, but not the Anglican ceremonies. It seems like if you have a problem with one, you would have a problem with the other.

When I ask about it, I hear that it’s an entirely different situation, with no other explanation.

I have never been told such a thing in person. On message boards I have often heard very funadmentalist believeing persons state such things. They believe the Pope HIMSELF is the anti Christ and it’s evidenced by him “stealing the glory” from God (as if one Could) and directing attention to himself etc. That just addresses the pageantry issue of course.
Catholics are more “into” the Pope than Christ because of such .

I have also heard a Bible believing Christian complain Jesus
would not want any part of the Papal installation due to the cheering and grandiosity of it all.

I can honestly state I understand how that might appear to some persons after reading their posts. The press here tends to focus more on such things as the shoes the Pope is wearing,
the crowds cheering and not the solemn nature of the Liturgy and the implications regarding him being the successor; not just another Catholic in a big Hat!
Mary.

Mary.

 

[4Squarebaby]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

Perhaps because the Anglican church makes no claims of leadership and authority over other church organizations and believers

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

I also think that Anglican ceremonials get far less publicity and attention here than do Catholic ones. And I’m not aware of any fundamentalist / Evangelical sorts who nurture the whole array of conspiracies / 666 / Whore of Babylon narratives with respect to the Archbishop of Canterbury vs. the papacy.

 

[andrewstx]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

I would venture to guess that most of the Protestants complaining about Holy Father Francis would also complain about the AB of Canterburry, in other word fundamental/Evangelicals.

The CofE and even Lutherans have their own pageantry just to a lesser degree, why would they complain?

 

[aspirant]

The sorts of Protestants opposed to pomp and pageantry have historically tended to see Anglicanism (and to a lesser extent, Lutheranism) as being “tainted” with elements of Catholicism… So to be fair, it’s not exactly a double-standard.

Agreed.

 

[Bklynguy]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

Exactly, not to mention, Buckingham Palace and all the pomp and circumstance surrounding the Queen (who is technically the head of the Church of England).

 

[cath4alltime]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

Protestants aren’t all the same so it’s not good to bunch them like you can the Catholics or Othrodox. Some Protestants will not like either ceremony but some will like one over the other. We can say Protestants are a mixed bag

 

[ltwin]

Protestants who hate papal pomp and ceremonial do so because they hate all ecclesiastical pomp and ceremonial. In the US, the Archbishop of Canterbury does not have the same amount of name recognition as the Pope. If you showed a fundamentalist a video tape of the ABC’s installment, he’d likely confuse it with a Catholic ceremony.

 

[SteveVH]

Why is it that Protestants complain about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election, but say nothing about the “enthronement” of the Archbishop of Canterbury? I don’t understand why they say it is a sign of the antichrist in the Catholic Church, but its perfectly acceptable in the Protestant church.

First of all there is no such thing as “the Protestant church”. If you are speaking of the Archbishop of Canterbury then you are speaking of the Anglican Church and I seriously doubt that they were complaining about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election. Can you provide a source for your premise? I’ve not heard of any complaints from anyone.

 

[amontoya]

First of all there is no such thing as “the Protestant church”. If you are speaking of the Archbishop of Canterbury then you are speaking of the Anglican Church and I seriously doubt that they were complaining about the pomp and pageantry surrounding the papal election. Can you provide a source for your premise? I’ve not heard of any complaints from anyone.

I know there is no such thing as “the Protestant church,” I just meant Protestantism in general, as opposed to the Catholic Church.

One thing I saw on the Internet is this:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9xgzEMeklg

Also at Rapture Ready forums, I’ve seen comments about gold, scarlet, and harlotry with regard to the Pope’s installation. However, most of the complaints I’ve heard have been in person.

 

[Nicea325]

The complaints that I have heard came from Calvinists, and non-denominational “Bible believing” Christians. I’ve spoken with them online and in person. The comments I get are mainly sarcastic regarding how humble the new Pope is when he surrounded by people cheering for him in St. Peter’s, and going through the installation Mass.

I just found it odd that people would complain about Catholic ceremonies, but not the Anglican ceremonies. It seems like if you have a problem with one, you would have a problem with the other.

When I ask about it, I hear that it’s an entirely different situation, with no other explanation.

Nothing but anti-Catholicism…plain and simple. Ignore them, not worth the effort.

 

[Bklynguy]

The complaints that I have heard came from Calvinists, and non-denominational “Bible believing” Christians.

Next time, ask them if they would allowed or would allow a daughter of theirs getting married to wear rags instead of a nice wedding dress as a symbol of humility.

 

[andrewstx]

Protestants who hate papal pomp and ceremonial do so because they hate all ecclesiastical pomp and ceremonial. In the US, the Archbishop of Canterbury does not have the same amount of name recognition as the Pope. If you showed a fundamentalist a video tape of the ABC’s installment, he’d likely confuse it with a Catholic ceremony.

Yes I was raised fundamentalist and all I was aware of when young was preachers dressed as bank officers.

I am older and when I was watching the investiture of Prince Charles as Prince of Wales on tv my even younger brother was incensed that we were looking at a Catholic (read evil to him) religious ceremony, I suppose because they were traditional and not dressed as bank officers.