Protestants and the forgiveness of sins

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Mat 6:9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.
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Yours is close.
 
You don’t have a problem with the bible contradicting itself. Can there not only be one truth of God?

If you believe that this prayer is for you to be forgiven why does it not state My Father who art in heaven?
If Jesus wanted me to say… MY father…it would say…MY father!!!
 
If Jesus wanted me to say… MY father…it would say…MY father!!!
I believe you are missing the point. The Lord’s Prayer is not a personal prayer for your sins to be forgiven. That is how you seem to be stating its use or at least partially using it. The Lord’s Prayer is a communal prayer that is why it states “Our Father”. It is not designed to give one person forgiveness for sin.

It is also asking for mercy of future sins. It is a two part statement. Forgive my sin as I forgive others. It is asking for future mercy based upon the condition that I forgive others.
 
I don’t say the Lord’s Prayer for the forgiveness of sins…I usually start
Abba/Daddy,
👍 He is an AMAZING God filled with love and Mercy for us His Children!!!
 
Psa 150:1 Praise Jehovah. Praise God in His sanctuary; praise Him in the expanse of His power.
Psa 150:2 Praise Him for His mighty acts; praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
Psa 150:3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; praise Him with the harp and lyre.
Psa 150:4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; praise Him with stringed instruments and pipes.
Psa 150:5 Praise Him on the sounding cymbals; praise Him with the resounding cymbals.
Psa 150:6 Let everything that breathes praise Jehovah. Praise Jehovah!
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I go to a Church that CELEBRATES Jesus!!!
I go to a Church that Christ created, leads and physically is present every day of the week. A Church that Christ not only spiritually visits us he physically infuses into us and helps us change and become more like him!

Have you ever actually knelt before the Lord your God? Not symbolically. Not an invisible God. A God that is physically with you. I have because we follow the teachings of Christ and his Bible.

Do you believe that Catholics do not celebrate Christ? He founded our Church. He is the center of our universe. We do not use man made ideas that place ourselves at the center. Such as not performing reconciliation. We obey Christ and his teachings.
 
Psa 150:1 Praise Jehovah. Praise God in His sanctuary; praise Him in the expanse of His power.
Psa 150:2 Praise Him for His mighty acts; praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
Psa 150:3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; praise Him with the harp and lyre.
Psa 150:4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; praise Him with stringed instruments and pipes.
Psa 150:5 Praise Him on the sounding cymbals; praise Him with the resounding cymbals.
Psa 150:6 Let everything that breathes praise Jehovah. Praise Jehovah!
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Answer me this: **If “Witnesses” have the truth and nothing to fear from self-investigation, why are you officially forbidden from reading any materials that cross-examine your doctrines?

If the organization did not actually prophecy the end in 1925, and 1975, then how come so many witnesses left the faith immediately afterward?

Is it not hypocritical when you say the “poor deluded Catholic” that his faith cannot find a bible passage to support it when the same goes for you and 1935?

Why are you called Jehovah’s witness and not Christians since JW appeal to Isaiah 43:12, 44:8 for Scriptural support that they should be called “JW” then what was the new name prophesized in Isa 62:2? Can’t be JW, for God already used it 20 CHAPTERS EARLIER. Could the new name be Christian after our savior Christ?

Why would the name God gave to his people not be Christians since Acts 11:26 says "THE DISCIPLES WERE FIRST CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH? Why is the name JW found nowhere in the New Testament, if that is God’s Divine name for his people under the new Covenant?

Why would God wait almost 200 years to suddenly start using the name Jehovah’s Witness? Does this mean that 1st century Christians were not known as Jehovah’s Witness?

BTW, Jehovah’s Witnesses do reject most of the teaching from Russell.**

Answer me these questions thoroughly and as accurately if you can please, I would really appreciate it. If you can answer these questions then you should be happy. :extrahappy:
 
My Dear Brother in Christ,

I am not now, nor have I ever been a Jehovah’s Witness!!! I would become an atheist first!!!
 
I go to a Church that Christ created, leads and physically is present every day of the week. A Church that Christ not only spiritually visits us he physically infuses into us and helps us change and become more like him!

Have you ever actually knelt before the Lord your God? Not symbolically. Not an invisible God. A God that is physically with you. I have because we follow the teachings of Christ and his Bible.

Do you believe that Catholics do not celebrate Christ? He founded our Church. He is the center of our universe. We do not use man made ideas that place ourselves at the center. Such as not performing reconciliation. We obey Christ and his teachings.
I have gone to Roman Catholic Church…I have knelt as I have prayed…same as everyone else!

I Have postrated myself before God!!! And he answered my Prayer!!!

I am also Blessed to go to" a Church that Christ created, leads and physically is present every day of the week. A Church that Christ not only spiritually visits us he physically infuses into us and helps us change and become more like him!"
 
I** am also Blessed to go to" a Church that Christ created**, leads and physically is present every day of the week. A Church that Christ not only spiritually visits us he physically infuses into us and helps us change and become more like him!"
I put this challenge to Sandusky in another thread to which you also subscribed.

If you are sure that yours church is THE CHURCH that Christ created, can you tell me why it is your church and not the other protestant churches out there.

Also illustrate with a timeline how you can trace it back to that time when, whilst in Ceasaria Philipi, Christ proclaimed: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it”

It’s been two thousand years since then but if it is truly Christ’s church it should be quite easy to go through history connect all the dots.
 
Abba, Jehovah, YHVH, I AM…,

Most North Americans know who Jehovah is!!!
I know who Jehovah is also. A girl I know always refers to God as Jehovah because she is a Jehovah’s Witness. Catholics refer to God, as God or Jesus Christ. In 2008 anyway.
 
I have gone to Roman Catholic Church…I have knelt as I have prayed…same as everyone else!

I Have postrated myself before God!!! And he answered my Prayer!!!

I am also Blessed to go to" a Church that Christ created, leads and physically is present every day of the week. A Church that Christ not only spiritually visits us he physically infuses into us and helps us change and become more like him!"
Does your church have apostolic succession as the Bible dictates?
 
Why did Paul in Acts 17:11 tell the common people of the Berean Church to search and examine the scriptures to see if what he was saying was true? How could they have possibly done that if the people couldn’t interpret or understand the scripture for themselves?

They were interpreting the Jewish scriptures, since the Bible hadn’t been canonized yet, and the writings we know as the Bible weren’t well circulated yet. Also, I would assume, they would have taught those Jewish scriptures orally. I doubt many people at that time were literate. The ones who were, taught the others the scripture by reading or proclaiming it to the others. Kinda like the Catholic church does today during Mass, come to think of it.

Or, if the Catholic Church was already established, all Paul would have needed to say was …“what I say goes and interpret your scripture as such”.

Actually, at the Jerusalem Council, everyone did demur to Peter as the authority to make the decision. Also, St. Clement wrote letters to the Corinthians that they listented to as authority just like they had Paul’s letters. Clement wasn’t an apostle, but he was the Bishop of Rome at the time.

But that’s not what is done. He tells them to examine the scriptures to validate what he is saying is true. God gave us scripture (and long before 1500ad or even 500 ad) so we could be warned when false teachers are present.

There are many false teachers who use the Bible in our day to proclaim their falsehood.

Why read scripture if you can’t understand/interpret it? Since your ultimately trusting your clergy that they have intrepreted scripture correctly, you yourself, can’t really test anything against scripture as you claim.

Catholics are free to read and interpret all day long, for personal edification. . .they just can’t go out and make up a new doctrine that contradicts existing teaching and promote it. . .like the prosperity gospel.

Rome can twist and manipulate the scriptures all day long and you have no way of knowing its true. What a great way to deceive.

And you’ve never heard a Protestant twist scripture? I was protestant for many many years. . .and every church believes and preaches something a little different.

And yes we can intrepret the Bible based on 1 Corinthians 4:2…“we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience”. Therefore, if you test (which according to your logic, you yourself ultimately can’t) all of scripture with Rome’s intrpretation of John 20 you run into all kinds of problems trying to harmonize God’s perfect Word.

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If the Bible did state that the disciples received this authority then why don’t you ever see them exercise it? You don’t find Rome’s style of confession anywhere in the Bible or the early church. Can you explain that?

Yes, this can be explained. Many Many books have been written on the subject. This question comes up a lot. The name for it is “development of doctrine.” Which is not the same thing as a “change” of doctrine.

Why would such a critical issue take so much time to evolve in the church?

When you plant a tree, do you expect it to grow?

You never hear one disciple say “the conventional way to be forgiven is thru a priest…especially with grave sins”.

For many years the followers of the Way thought Jesus was coming back within their lifetime. In fact any day. The idea that they might have to live a very long time without sinning wasn’t on their minds.

I just ask you to think for yourself on these issues just as the Bible tells us we have the ability to do…And, as Paul told the Berean Church to do. Always in love.
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Do you always approach Catholics with love and charity?**
 
What if a man chooses to not forgive our sins? What is they refuse to “un-bind” our sins? Why can’t a man appeal to God for forgiveness, which He promises to do, rather than appeal to a man who may choose to withold forgiveness? Wouldn’t that be a contradiction?
I think you are missing the point here. The thing is Christ said “whosoever sins you forgive they are forgiven, whosoever sins you retain, they are retained.”

Now these are Christ’s words (which are in the Bible). Of course God forgives sins. But honestly, do you think Christ would say these words, you know, just so he could say something?

Every word that comes from Christ comes from God.
Notice that in that passage He first says, “receive the Holy Spirit”.

The retaining, if the sin is retained, is therefore under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I know of instances when a priest has not given absolution because he knows that the person is not truly repantant and fully intends to commit the sin again.

People who have a problem with this, really ought to take it up with Christ and ask Him why did he have to say it?

There is also a presumption that a priest may withhold absolution and yet God dispense it. If this were the case, then I doubt Christ would have said if you retain them they are retained because of all people He should know that this scenario could happen. And yet he said exactly just that.
 
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