Protestants and their beleifs

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Ozzie:
I didn’t ask if you believe His words, I asked what they mean to you.There’s nothing antithetical in Jesus’ statement. “No one comes to the Father, but through Me” is in reference to Jesus alone. You cannot come to the Father through the Father, in fact, the Father sent the Son to open the way to Him. So what does Jesus mean when He says, *“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father buth through Me?” *
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Ozzie, go back and read your own post!:love: You wrote:
Well, Jesus did say, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me” (Jn. 14:6). Do you believe His words?
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red emphasis added. To which I replied that yes, I believe his words there. I also told you that I believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior and that your John passage is related to the passage in Acts (4:12), which was meant to say one of the ways that I view the passage: No one who ends up going to heaven will do it without reference to Jesus.
 
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Ozzie:
Thank you for the blessing, and may He watch over you as well. However, it is impossible for any true believer to “separate” from the Church. The “Church” is the Body/Bride of Christ made up of all true believers and which Christ has been building since Pentecost. When one truly puts his faith in Christ he is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ, which is the Church (see. 1 Cor. 12:13; Col. 1:18). This my friend is not Rome’s teaching, but God’s in His immutable, written Word.

Yes, there are many organizations in “Christianity,” or better, “Christendom.” But there is only one true “Body,” one true Church, and it was not “founded” by Christ in Rome, no did it settle in Rome by any Apostle of Christ. It is a living organism called out from individual Jews and Gentiles throughout each successive generation since Pentecost. And Christ knows those who are His (2 Tim. 2:19).
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Our Lord said in Matt 18, “15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother. 16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.”

So, if as you claim, the Church is some invisible entity made up of all believers, to whom should we take the brother who offends against us?
 
Ozzie, I never, said that you didn’t have to believe, you are presenting a false dichotomy, we as Catholics believe the whole bible.

When the Bible says believe, we say Yes Amen!

When Jesus says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, we say Yes…Amen!

I could go on, but please listen to the point I was trying to make and don’t attack something else.

We listen to all the Bible, you say how would believing in Jesus alone be shunning the rest of the Bible.

As a Catholic I believe Jesus is the way the truth and the life, that is why I listen to him and his Church. Why would I ignore Jesus when he says what he says. It can’t be either, or.

The word “alone” causes many problems, look what it did when Luther added it to the Bible. It caused a pretty big mess.
 
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Lorarose:
When I refer to non-catholics I use the term “protestant” When I see someone slander the Church I use the term “anti-catholic”
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A useful distinction.
 
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and which Christ has been building since Pentecost. When one truly puts his faith in Christ he is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ, which is the Church (see. 1 Cor. 12:13; Col. 1:18). This my friend is not Rome’s teaching, but God’s in His immutable, written Word.

…." But there is only one true “Body,” one true Church, and it was not “founded” by Christ in Rome, no did it settle in Rome by any Apostle of Christ. It is a living organism called out from individual Jews and Gentiles throughout each successive generation since Pentecost. And Christ knows those who are His (2 Tim. 2:19).
Since Christ gave Peter oversight to His Church, and Peter did in fact establish himself in Rome, Christ Chruch is indeed settled in Rome.

IF God’s word is immutable as you say, WHY then do Protestants leave out several books of the Bible, specifically those books that disagree with their philosophy.

By leaving out certain text are you not in fact “changing” God’s word to fit your own agenda ???

Also, Catholic DO in fact believe that we are saved by Jesus’s saving grace and His death on the Cross. HOWEVER we also believe that faith alone does not get you into God’s kingdom, as even the devil believes that Jesus is Lord.

IF you read the book of James, which you guys took out in the 15th century, you will see it written that we are NOT saved by faith alone but by faith AND good works. We have faith but we also perform good works.

Jesus gave us TWO great commandments, love God with your whole heart AND love your neighbor. The second really is tied into good works. Protestants are great with the first, but somewhat lacking with the second. I guess that’s what faith alone buys you. Half a Book equals a half a philosophy.
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Ozzie:
However, it is impossible for any true believer to “separate” from the Church. The “Church” is the Body/Bride of Christ made up of all true believers and which Christ has been building since Pentecost. It is a living organism called out from individual Jews and Gentiles throughout each successive generation since Pentecost.
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There’s that invisible church again.

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