Protestants are not a different "religion" from Catholics

[tqualey]

Hi, David Ruiz,

You are still demonstrating a lot of misinformation about the Catholic faith. That is disappointing with the references I gave … oh, well … back to the basics…

Never inferred there was NO heirarchy, just not head bishop/pope heirarchy. You know very well protestants stick to biblical offices of bishop/presbyters, elders, teachers, prophets. Just not pope.

David, the word ‘bishop’ is not used in scripture, either. You may call Peter the ‘Key Man’ - Matt 16:18, but with the passage of time the term ‘Papa’ became Pope. Ultimately, you seem to be arguing over a word. The real issue is that Christ only had one set of keys - and He gave them to Peter, putting him in charge. That is the real issue.

TheJews walked out cause they believed not that Jesus is the messiah, not because of any “eating”. Read it .

Actually, David Ruiz, I have read it and from your comment, I do not think you have understood what was written. Here is the actual text (John 6:51:66):

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”a

52The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?” 53Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.* 57Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.b 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.” 59These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

The Words of Eternal Life.* 60Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” 61Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you? 62What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?* 63It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.c 65And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him

Just read the words, David. I bolded the operative sections to be helpful.
david ruiz;8612312:

Disagree. You really think Paul worried about remaining faithful , like someone waving in the wind ? The context is the "prize’ .It is not salvation , but the reward we receive for “fighting,running” for Him. You can finish the race , and receive a “well done” ,but only one gets first place prize .

Amen .Don’t assume every Protestant holds only to once saved,always saved .But it’s tough to guess about us, for there are 40,000 views .

It is beyond me how you can say the ‘prize’ is something other than salvation. I guess, considering the context, you will need to explain how you arrive at that conclusion.

Ah, ‘News Flash’… there has been a recent update… there are 50,000

Never inferred there was NO heirarchy, just not head bishop/pope heirarchy. You know very well protestants stick to biblical offices of bishop/presbyters, elders, teachers, prophets. Just not pope.

TheJews walked out cause they believed not that Jesus is the messiah, not because of any “eating”. Read it .

Disagree. You really think Paul worried about remaining faithful , like someone waving in the wind ? The context is the "prize’ .It is not salvation , but the reward we receive for “fighting,running” for Him. You can finish the race , and receive a “well done” ,but only one gets first place prize .

Amen .Don’t assume every Protestant holds only to once saved,always saved .But it’s tough to guess about us, for there are 40,000 views .

Amen .Don’t assume every Protestant holds only to once saved,always saved .But it’s tough to guess about us, for there are 40,000 views .

Really, with so many different views - how many Protestant groups hold this well known to your knowledge?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

God bless

 

[tqualey]

Hi, David Ruiz,

I hope that Cat Herder does not mind … but, I thought I would share a thought or two on this post…

Sorry, don’t follow .I am not Orthodox ,are you ?. Then we can only comment on ourselves ? No, it is a relevant discussion we are trying here. That all went to hell would be true for two things: #1- that all are going to hell today ,and, #2- that the doctrine of today is exactly like “yesterday”. I disagree strongly with both #1 and #2. Shouldn’t I think it irrelevant that you think I think otherwise ? May iron sharpen iron for us ,and may the cat not get our tongue. Blessings

One of the problems i am having David Ruiz, is you switch positions back and forth. Your religion is know only to you - for you claim ‘protestant’(sic) with a lower case ‘P’ [it really should have an upper case ‘P’ ]

The so-called ‘rebuttal’ lacks not only historical sense but plain chronology - identifying the lack of logic I will leave for later. The term ‘Pope’ appears before the 4th Century - and here is a truly excellent link: oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Pope

In one link you not only are given biblical documentation of the Primacy of Peter - but, you are also given chronlogical documentation. I am confident that if you take the time to read it, you will take care of those numerous errors you present when talking about the Catholic Faith. While I will leave it up to you to use a lower case ‘p’ in describing your religion, if you are going to claim to have been ‘raised Catholic’ then surely someone has spoken to you about getting facts and dates correct prior to advancing an opinion. Up to a certain age, people can blame poor teachers and teaching for a lack of knowledge - but afterwards one is ultimately responsible for what one knows. It really is time to do better. Please research your position before presenting it. Thank you.

God bless

 

[wisdomseeker]

I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

Then why do you all insist in taking Catholics out of the Holy Church of God? the CC.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Originally Posted by tmj365
I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

I’d actually say that most Catholic scholars don’t consider Protestants a part of the OHCAC, but connected with it by their baptism (I’ve read the analogy "part of the soul, but not the body ).

 

[Chris_Fadley]

As a recent convert to Catholicism, I agree with the last post. My baptism into the Church of England was recognised by the Catholic church, so I didn’t need to get baptised again. But the Catholic Church doesn’t accept Confirmation in the C of E as equivalent. So this shows that the Catholic Church does recognise that other sects are linked, but not in full communion.

In future I think the different churches will have to think about merging closer together in order to become stronger in these times of oppression and suppression of Christianity. We all believe in Jesus Christ and that is the thing that really unites us.

I would encourage all protestants to give the Catholic Church a chance. I know that I was brought up to mistrust the Catholic Church, but once I started to really investigate, I found an organisation that is full of Christ’s spirit and “red hot” compared to my own lukewarm experience in the churches I attended previous to discovering Catholicism.

 

[david_ruiz]

Happy Thanksgiving Benedictus 2,Tqualey, Coptic C, CatHerder, Rinnie, Joe370, PJM, jlhargus, Nicea 325 and all spiritual browsers. Not a bad time and place to live. Alleluia-blessings to you all !

 

[tqualey]

Hi, David Ruiz,

And a very blessed Thanksgiving to you, too.

“God bless us, every one!”

Happy Thanksgiving Benedictus 2,Tqualey, Coptic C, CatHerder, Rinnie, Joe370, PJM, jlhargus, Nicea 325 and all spiritual browsers. Not a bad time and place to live. Alleluia-blessings to you all !

 

[benedictus2]

Happy Thanksgiving Benedictus 2,Tqualey, Coptic C, CatHerder, Rinnie, Joe370, PJM, jlhargus, Nicea 325 and all spiritual browsers. Not a bad time and place to live. Alleluia-blessings to you all !

Thank you David.

The planet I’m in has no such thing as a thanksgiving day. Perhaps people here have nothing to be thankful for, Which is quite sad. That is what happens when society becomes secularized. Soon, they will be banning Christmas.

 

[benedictus2]

As a pilgrim traveler approaches the pearly gates of heaven he sees St. Peter from afar off . He shouts, “Are there any Baptists in there St. Peter ?” "No ", says St. Peter. "Are there any Episcopals in there?, asks the pilgrim. “No”, says St. Peter again. “Any Lutherans ?” “No.” “Any Orthodox ?” “No.” “Any Catholics ?” “No, we don’t go by those names up here”, says Peter. “Then just who is in there, St.Peter ?” "Just those souls who have been washed by the Blood of the Lamb ! ", Peter replies.

As a pilgrim traveler approaches the pearly gates of heaven he sees St. Peter from afar off . He shouts, “Are there any Baptists in there St. Peter ?” "No ", says St. Peter. "Are there any Episcopals in there?, asks the pilgrim. “No”, says St. Peter again. “Any Lutherans ?” “No.” “Any Orthodox ?” “No.”

“Any Catholics ?”

St Peter replies : Yes! Everyone who makes it here is a Catholic because Our Lord established only one Church since there is only one Body of Christ. So even if you weren’t one one earth, since you have made it up here then you become one.

Lesson: Why wait till you get to heaven when you can become one right here and now and have all the sacraments necessary for the journey homeward.

 

[tqualey]

Now, hold on their Benedictus2 … let’s not be self-defeating!

In the US, we count Thanksgiving as a genuine thanksiving to God for seeing them safely through a hard year in the New World. But, while this day and the historic events that gave rise to it may be uniquely that of the US - there are other days that basically arose from popular demand and political will. None by themselves - but, by the determination of those who truly wanted them.

May I suggest that if groups banded together to give thanks - and celebrated the blessings of God - then others, seeing what is happening will be probably motivated to join in with just a little encouragement. Maybe a day unique to your country’s history, but not yet recongized as a national day - would serve well to declare thanks.

Until then - feel free to celebrate with us in thanking God for his marvelous Grace and appreciated bounty.

God bless

Thank you David.

The planet I’m in has no such thing as a thanksgiving day. Perhaps people here have nothing to be thankful for, Which is quite sad. That is what happens when society becomes secularized. Soon, they will be banning Christmas.

 

[benedictus2]

Now, hold on their Benedictus2 … let’s not be self-defeating!

In the US, we count Thanksgiving as a genuine thanksiving to God for seeing them safely through a hard year in the New World. But, while this day and the historic events that gave rise to it may be uniquely that of the US - there are other days that basically arose from popular demand and political will. None by themselves - but, by the determination of those who truly wanted them.

May I suggest that if groups banded together to give thanks - and celebrated the blessings of God - then others, seeing what is happening will be probably motivated to join in with just a little encouragement. Maybe a day unique to your country’s history, but not yet recongized as a national day - would serve well to declare thanks.

Until then - feel free to celebrate with us in thanking God for his marvelous Grace and appreciated bounty.

God bless

Now you’ve got me thinking Tom.

While we may not have a national thanksgiving day, as a Catholic we have weekly/even daily thanksgiving day when we come to the the Eucharist - which of course means thanksgiving. And it is not just national but is in fact universal and crosses the boundaries of space and time.

So, on this Sunday the 27th day of November in the year of our Lord 2011, I greet everyone a Happy Thanksgiving Day.! And that goes for tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that … as well.

 

[tqualey]

Hi,m Benedictus2,

Being thankful for the Eucharist is the most special thanksgiving of all!

God bless

Now you’ve got me thinking Tom.

While we may not have a national thanksgiving day, as a Catholic we have weekly/even daily thanksgiving day when we come to the the Eucharist - which of course means thanksgiving. And it is not just national but is in fact universal and crosses the boundaries of space and time.

So, on this Sunday the 27th day of November in the year of our Lord 2011, I greet everyone a Happy Thanksgiving Day.! And that goes for tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that … as well.

 

[CopticChristian]

Happy Thanksgiving Benedictus 2,Tqualey, Coptic C, CatHerder, Rinnie, Joe370, PJM, jlhargus, Nicea 325 and all spiritual browsers. Not a bad time and place to live. Alleluia-blessings to you all !

Thank you,

May the Lord bless you, find you always in His thoughts, fill you with all the grace you need as I know your thoughts are always on Him…

 

[John_oxios]

I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

You have faith mixed up with religion, We all have faith in Christ however we practice differently.

How can protestants state Catholics are not saved yet be the same religion?

Definition of religion:

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:

the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices.

God bless,
John