Protestants becoming Catholic

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I’ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ‘traditionalist’ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ‘reception on the tongue’ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacy… it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
So…you’ve called all Catholics (as well as all the Spanish and Italians combined) effeminate, and also implied that many Catholics gossip frequently and and are obsessed with the sexual habits of others.

Do you practice being this offensive to large groups of people at once, or is it a natural talent?
 
So…you’ve called all Catholics (as well as all the Spanish and Italians combined) effeminate, and also implied that many Catholics gossip frequently and and are obsessed with the sexual habits of others.

Do you practice being this offensive to large groups of people at once, or is it a natural talent?
:tiphat::coffeeread:
 
I’ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ‘traditionalist’ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ‘reception on the tongue’ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacy… it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
“Traditionalist” is a broad term. I’ve even met a few “traditonalist” Episcopals in my time. 😉
If you are talking the SSPX crowd, they are hardly what I would representative of the traditions of the Church. Sad really. Because they had a chance to make an impact, but thier pride just won’t let them.
I wouldn’t say that is seeping into what is left of American conservatism.
 
So…you’ve called all Catholics (as well as all the Spanish and Italians combined) effeminate, and also implied that many Catholics gossip frequently and and are obsessed with the sexual habits of others.

Do you practice being this offensive to large groups of people at once, or is it a natural talent?
I didn’t intend to hurt your feelings.

And I never once used the word all.

Do please forgive me.
 
I didn’t intend to hurt your feelings.

And I never once used the word all.

Do please forgive me.
…yup, you practice. Forgiven, naturally, but forgive ***me ***if I find your views a little hard to take seriously in the future.
 
So…you’ve called all Catholics (as well as all the Spanish and Italians combined) effeminate, and also implied that many Catholics gossip frequently and and are obsessed with the sexual habits of others.

Do you practice being this offensive to large groups of people at once, or is it a natural talent?
A simple reading of his post showed he wasn’t attacking.
No reason for this response.
 
Do you read Peter Hitchens?
No, but from what little I know of him, I would, likely.

I read little of what I read, in my younger years. Had a 35 year sub to National Review and several other conservative journals. I read my hobbies, now.

OTOH, around 10 copies of my Buckley titles are signed and/or inscribed to me.

GKC
 
I know that thousands of people ‘change sides’ every year. Some become Catholic, some become Protestant.

I’ve see several videos on youtube posted by various Protestant groups lamenting the large exodous of high profile Protestants (Evangelicals, in particular) to Catholicism. Is that a trend that is continuing today, or has that tailed off?

If it hasn’t tailed off, what keeps 'em coming; and why do the Protestants they leave behind get so mad? It’s not THEIR lives, so what’s the big deal?
Yes it does happen a lot. It seems many Protestants have an anger mostly because they do not understand the Catholic way. On the flip side there seems to be apathy when a Catholic leaves or an attitude of “good ridance”. I think it would be truly supernatural and wonderful if all pews were filled with Catholics and the other churches (even mine) were empty. Please don’t ask me why I am not in a Catholic pew today. Prayerfully someday I will be.
 
Yes it does happen a lot. It seems many Protestants have an anger mostly because they do not understand the Catholic way. On the flip side there seems to be apathy when a Catholic leaves or an attitude of “good ridance”. I think it would be truly supernatural and wonderful if all pews were filled with Catholics and the other churches (even mine) were empty. Please don’t ask me why I am not in a Catholic pew today. Prayerfully someday I will be.
Truly bizarre.
 
I am old enough to recall the Democratic convention of 1968, the Buckley/Vidal interactions there and the following articles and derived lawsuits.

Buckley was the winner. Personal opinion.

GKC
Agreed! 👍
 
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Well, ok for you.

Wills I read back in his NR days, long ago, and he wrote a not entirely bad book on Chesterton, one of the first I bought.

His opinions of late, while I still read bits and pieces of them, do not commend themselves to me.

GKC
Wills’ book, Why I Am a Catholic, is the first thing I ever read that made me think becoming Catholic is something I could possibly do. His opinion of the CC seems almost the same as mine. The difference is he was born into a Catholic family and I wasn’t.
 
Because this topic is near and dear to my heart, I would like to see this thread get back to the OP’s topic and away from contentious discussions of conservativism, effeminacy, etc. I don’t see what these have to do with the OP.

Here’s the OP:

I know that thousands of people ‘change sides’ every year. Some become Catholic, some become Protestant.

I’ve see several videos on youtube posted by various Protestant groups lamenting the large exodous of high profile Protestants (Evangelicals, in particular) to Catholicism. Is that a trend that is continuing today, or has that tailed off?

If it hasn’t tailed off, what keeps 'em coming; and why do the Protestants they leave behind get so mad? It’s not THEIR lives, so what’s the big deal?

In my former posts, I mentioned that Evangelical Protestants who read and study the Bible (which they do–please don’t believe some of the Catholics who claim that Evangelical Protestants only know a few verses–you’ll get creamed in a discussion/debate if you make that incorrect assumption!).

Evangelical Protestants read and study not only the Bible, but many other religious books written by primarily by their own Evangelicals.

I mentioned in my previous posts that I grew up in an influential Evangelical Protestant church with a lot of scholarship. HOWEVER–no one ever talked about the Fathers of the Church, and if they did, they were talking about the Fathers of the Conference Baptists, who were Swedish!

I had heard of St. Francis, and that’s about it. I had no idea of early Church history, other than what is written in the Book of Acts of the Apostles.

I think that a lot of Evangelicals would say the same today. It just isn’t taught in Evangelical Churches. What we were taught is that in the 1st Century, heretics took over the Church of Jesus Christ, and these heretics were Catholic in their beliefs, and eventually became the Catholic Church.

However, the “alternative church” movement has taken many Evangelicals into an investigation of the 1st few centuries of the Christian Church, and they are discovering that this Church really was C-C-Catholic! :eek:

What has made the investigation possible is the internet. Up until the internet, Evangelical Protestants couldn’t read and study what they didn’t know existed! But now, Evangelicals can peruse the internet and will inevitably come across the writings of the Early Church Fathers and read them for themselves, without the filter of Evangelical clergy to “re-interpret” these documents for them.

Hooray for the internet! A mighty tool that God has used to bring Christians together!
 
Because this topic is near and dear to my heart, I would like to see this thread get back to the OP’s topic and away from contentious discussions of conservativism, effeminacy, etc. I don’t see what these have to do with the OP.

Here’s the OP:

I know that thousands of people ‘change sides’ every year. Some become Catholic, some become Protestant.

I’ve see several videos on youtube posted by various Protestant groups lamenting the large exodous of high profile Protestants (Evangelicals, in particular) to Catholicism. Is that a trend that is continuing today, or has that tailed off?

If it hasn’t tailed off, what keeps 'em coming; and why do the Protestants they leave behind get so mad? It’s not THEIR lives, so what’s the big deal?

In my former posts, I mentioned that Evangelical Protestants who read and study the Bible (which they do–please don’t believe some of the Catholics who claim that Evangelical Protestants only know a few verses–you’ll get creamed in a discussion/debate if you make that incorrect assumption!).

Evangelical Protestants read and study not only the Bible, but many other religious books written by primarily by their own Evangelicals.

I mentioned in my previous posts that I grew up in an influential Evangelical Protestant church with a lot of scholarship. HOWEVER–no one ever talked about the Fathers of the Church, and if they did, they were talking about the Fathers of the Conference Baptists, who were Swedish!

I had heard of St. Francis, and that’s about it. I had no idea of early Church history, other than what is written in the Book of Acts of the Apostles.

I think that a lot of Evangelicals would say the same today. It just isn’t taught in Evangelical Churches. What we were taught is that in the 1st Century, heretics took over the Church of Jesus Christ, and these heretics were Catholic in their beliefs, and eventually became the Catholic Church.

However, the “alternative church” movement has taken many Evangelicals into an investigation of the 1st few centuries of the Christian Church, and they are discovering that this Church really was C-C-Catholic! :eek:

What has made the investigation possible is the internet. Up until the internet, Evangelical Protestants couldn’t read and study what they didn’t know existed! But now, Evangelicals can peruse the internet and will inevitably come across the writings of the Early Church Fathers and read them for themselves, without the filter of Evangelical clergy to “re-interpret” these documents for them.

Hooray for the internet! A mighty tool that God has used to bring Christians together!
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