Protestants, can a Catholic Priest forgive sins?

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The TRUTH does not divide. It is OPINION that does.
That’s right. Truth brings people closer, thereby uniting them as a family; One Mind, One Body, One Faith. If this family does not stay united, because of arrogant opiniated differences, then the Devil has accomplished his task.
 
God gave us free will and, as such, some people choose not to follow the RCC, some are Atheists, some follow other churches.

I am not trying to convert you. In fact, it is not my job - that is for the Holy Spirit. You either yield to the Spirit or you don’t - you follow what you believe to be right. That’s OK.

On this thread we were asked to discuss the sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession) and that is what we did most of the time - Catholics said what they believed and gave biblical proof, Protestants put forward their point of view and their interpretation.

We do try to be tolerant of each other. It would be very good if we were all united as we will be one day.

We can only hope and pray.
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I yielded to the spirit when I was 13 during my summer, to a minister from East Tennessee, thanks.

I wonder how we will be united when some would rather kill the other then be friends with. 😦
No it isn’t.

Here’s a link on the subject.

catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp

And here is one on Confession

fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/penance.htm
I am gonna read that, but unless it has scripture proof, its not gonna change any opinoin. I know, the bible doesn’t say, its the only facts of Christianity, but I do not see a reason to put my belief into a man, other than the disciples.
 
What is to stop a protestant, from taking the eucharist? Just wondering, does the RCC have a law against it thats international?

Yes, having an opinoin puts us in hell, I am sure Jesus wanted it that way…:rolleyes:

Where did it say that? You assume that happened, sorry if I don’t trust your assumption?
A non-Catholic cannot receive the Eucharist if that person had not received Communion which is a Sacrament Christ had given us out of the seven that he left. IT IS A MORTAL SIN to receive the Eucharist if not a Baptized and Communicant in the Catholic church. Furthermore, you must also receive pennance from a Catholic priest after you have received God’s Sacraments.
 
Your situations are flawed.
Protestants are not substituting another human being for the priest. Forgiveness from a human being is not the same as forgiveness from God.
Let’s take a closer look… the protestant way.
  1. Confessing sins face to face to a person whom you sinned against…
    YOU were at a park. YOU glanced at a beautiful woman. YOU entertained a lustful desires of her. After a while you realized you have committed a sin against her. Should you approach her and tell her you’ve just fantasized about her? What if before you could even walk away her macho man came and found out what you just told her lady? With a 45 tucked in his waist? Are you still ready to die for that stupid sin (lust)?
  2. Confessing to one another…
    You don’t really mean going public, I mean telling openly to anybody of what you just did above, do you?
  3. Confessing directly to Jesus…
    You committed that stupid sin above. You called Jesus for forgiveness- you’re a repentant sinner. You believed you were forgiven. You felt good. After an hour, You committed that stupid sin again. You called Jesus for forgiveness- you’re a repentant sinner. You believed you were forgiven. You felt good. After another hour, You called Jesus for forgiveness- you’re a repentant sinner. You believed you were forgiven. You felt good. After few more hours, You committed that stupid sin again. You called Jesus for forgiveness- you’re a repentant sinner. You believed you were forgiven. You felt good again. After one day, you have committed that stupid sin, say, 16x. You then called and bothered Jesus 16x and were forgiven 16x and felt good 16x. In a month that’s equivalent to 480x, at least! 5760x in a year, at least, you called and bothered Jesus for the same stupid sin!
    Another protestant. He committed the same stupid sin but didn’t call Jesus each time. He waited until the end of the month. Therefore, for every 480x he committed that sin he calls in and bothered Jesus once. And he also felt good!
    Still another protestant. He committed the same stupid sin but didn’t call and bothered Jesus each time. Not every month. He waited until the end of the year. Therefore, for every 5760x he committed that sin he calls in and bothered Jesus once. And he also felt good!
    Still one more protestant. He committed the same stupid sin but didn’t call and bothered Jesus each time. Not every month. Not every year. He waited until before his last breath. Therefore, for all of the n times he committed that stupid sin he called in and bothered Jesus just once. And he also felt good!
    What’s my point? What’s the difference between each one of them? What’s common among them?
    Nothing! Because each one is really just thinking for his own self. Absolute selfishness. No purpose.
The Catholic way is that we confess our sins to a priest if it is not possible to approach the person we have wronged. We confess and repent because not only we have trespassed against that person but also to the Church as a whole. We confess each time we committed a sin so that we can be reconciled to the Church and be in a state of grace to receive the holy communion. There is purpose on why we bother Jesus thru his priests who acts in His person.
 
A non-Catholic cannot receive the Eucharist if that person had not received Communion which is a Sacrament Christ had given us out of the seven that he left. IT IS A MORTAL SIN to receive the Eucharist if not a Baptized and Communicant in the Catholic church. Furthermore, you must also receive pennance from a Catholic priest after you have received God’s Sacraments.
Says who? Just wondering.

btw: I was at a church once (Baptist or Methodist forgot) and they did thy took communion. So everyone that was at that church goes to hell? Just wondering if thats what your meaning. If so, then a lot of people are going lol (it was a BIG church)
 
if I have offended you in anyway, I am truly sorry
Apology accepted. But there is no point in saying I was raised Catholic again. I have already said so at least twice and I’m still being asked to “tell the TRUTH” and told I am not believed.

The fact is, no matter what I say or even what proof I offer, everyone will believe what ever they choose to believe - despite the truth.

Regardless of that sad fact, I accept your apology and harbor no hard feelings.

At least 3 Catholics have made false accusations about me. It is unbecoming a Christian and breaks the 9th commandment.

But may God bless you Cinette. You have not chosen to not justify yourself, but to reach out in reconciliation.

So for you I say:

I was raised Catholic.
I was Baptized, received First Holy Communion and confirmed all at St. John’s Catholic Church, 35900 Lee Street, Whitehall, Wisconsin 54773, by Father Tyson - the priest when I was growing up in the sixties.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior knows I am telling the truth.
 
Says who? Just wondering.

btw: I was at a church once (Baptist or Methodist forgot) and they did thy took communion. So everyone that was at that church goes to hell? Just wondering if thats what your meaning. If so, then a lot of people are going lol (it was a BIG church)
The Catholic church and the Scripture says so. Other churches, anyone can receive I guess, because to them ,Christ is reduced to a mere symbol.
 
The Catholic church and the Scripture says so. Other churches, anyone can receive I guess, because to them ,Christ is reduced to a mere symbol.
Sorry, but the RCC holds no rank above me. Where in scripture does it say that since I am not a Catholic I cannot take the Eucharist?

lol, not even gonna respond to that.
 
Says who? Just wondering.
The Code of Canon of the Catholic Church Law forbids Non-Catholic from receiving Holy Communion.

Christians who are not in full communion with the Church not to received Holy Communion because many Protestant Christians do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ. If they were to received the Body, and Blood unworthily, it would be equal to murder.

St. Paul made very clear in his Epistles to the Corinthians. It’s in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 verse 17 to 34.

The U.S. bishops’ guidelines for receiving Communion state, “We also welcome to this celebration those who do not share our faith in Jesus Christ. While we cannot admit them to Communion, we ask them to offer their prayers for the peace and the unity of the human family.”

However, the only time a Non-Catholic Christians from the Protestant faith can received communion is when he is endanger of death and willing a accept the teaching of the Church.
btw: I was at a church once (Baptist or Methodist forgot) and they did thy took communion. So everyone that was at that church goes to hell? Just wondering if thats what your meaning. If so, then a lot of people are going lol (it was a BIG church)
Protestant Churches do not have simulation Codes or Laws that would disallow other Christians from other denomination from receiving Holy Communion.
 
Sorry, but the RCC holds no rank above me. Where in scripture does it say that since I am not a Catholic I cannot take the Eucharist?

lol, not even gonna respond to that.
Do you believe the Eucharist is the actual Body of Christ? Or is it a mere symbol to you. Which one?
 
The Code of Canon of the Catholic Church Law forbids Non-Catholic from receiving Holy Communion.

Christians who are not in full communion with the Church not to received Holy Communion because many Protestant Christians do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ. If they were to received the Body, and Blood unworthily, it would be equal to murder.

St. Paul made very clear in his Epistles to the Corinthians. It’s in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 verse 17 to 34.

The U.S. bishops’ guidelines for receiving Communion state, “We also welcome to this celebration those who do not share our faith in Jesus Christ. While we cannot admit them to Communion, we ask them to offer their prayers for the peace and the unity of the human family.”

However, the only time a Non-Catholic Christians from the Protestant faith can received communion is when he is endanger of death and willing a accept the teaching of the Church.

Protestant Churches do not have simulation Codes or Laws that would disallow other Christians from other denomination from receiving Holy Communion.
It says whoever is not worthy to eat it, may not, who is the RCC to judge who is and who is not worthy?
 
It says whoever is not worthy to eat it, may not, who is the RCC to judge who is and who is not worthy?
Because Jesus Christ granted the Church to bind and loose. She has this authority since the time of the Apostles.

It is also for the protection of Non-Catholics. To received the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ equals murder. Even Catholics who commit a mortal sin cannot received Holy Communion. They are required by Code of Canon Law to received the Sacrament of Reconciliation (aka Confession) before receiving Holy Communion.

I highly recommend that you read this Article:

catholic.com/library/Who_Can_Receive_Communion.asp -Subject: Who Can Receive Communion?
 
FROM THE ARTICLE:

The Church sets out specific guidelines regarding how we should prepare ourselves to receive the Lord’s body and blood in Communion. To receive Communion worthily, you must be in a state of grace, have made a good confession since your last mortal sin, believe in transubstantiation, observe the Eucharistic fast, and, finally, not be under an ecclesiastical censure such as excommunication.

First, you must be in a state of grace. “Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup” (1 Cor. 11:27–28). This is an absolute requirement which can never be dispensed. To receive the Eucharist without sanctifying grace in your soul profanes the Eucharist in the most grievous manner.

A mortal sin is any sin whose matter is grave and which has been committed willfully and with knowledge of its seriousness. Grave matter includes, but is not limited to, murder, receiving or participating in an abortion, homosexual acts, having sexual intercourse outside of marriage or in an invalid marriage, and deliberately engaging in impure thoughts (Matt. 5:28–29). Scripture contains lists of mortal sins (for example, 1 Cor. 6:9–10 and Gal. 5:19–21). For further information on what constitutes a mortal sin, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Out of habit and out of fear of what those around them will think if they do not receive Communion, some Catholics, in a state of mortal sin, choose to go forward and offend God rather than stay in the pew while others receive the Eucharist. The Church’s ancient teaching on this particular matter is expressed in the Didache, an early Christian document written around A.D. 70, which states: “Whosoever is holy *, let him approach. Whosoever is not, let him repent” (Didache 10).

Second, you must have been to confession since your last mortal sin. The Didache witnesses to this practice of the early Church. “But first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one” (Didache 14).

The 1983 Code of Canon Law indicates that the same requirement applies today. “A person who is conscious of a grave sin is not to . . . receive the body of the Lord without prior sacramental confession unless a grave reason is present and there is no opportunity of confessing; in this case the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, including the intention of confessing as soon as possible” (CIC 916).

The requirement for sacramental confession can be dispensed if four conditions are fulfilled: (1) there must be a grave reason to receive Communion (for example, danger of death), (2) it must be physically or morally impossible to go to confession first, (3) the person must already be in a state of grace through perfect contrition, and (4) he must resolve to go to confession as soon as possible.

Third, you must believe in the doctrine of transubstantiation. “For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself” (1 Cor. 11:29). Transubstantiation means more than the Real Presence. According to transubstantiation, the bread and wine are actually transformed into the actual body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ, with only the appearances of bread and wine remaining. This is why, at the Last Supper, Jesus held what appeared to be bread and wine, yet said: “This is my body. . . . This is my blood” (Mark 14:22-24, cf. Luke 22:14-20). If Christ were merely present along side bread and wine, he would have said “This contains my body. . . . This contains my blood,” which he did not say.

Fourth, you must observe the Eucharistic fast. Canon law states, “One who is to receive the most Holy Eucharist is to abstain from any food or drink, with the exception only of water and medicine, for at least the period of one hour before Holy Communion” (CIC 919 §1). Elderly people, those who are ill, and their caretakers are excused from the Eucharistic fast (CIC 191 §3). Priests and deacons may not dispense one obligated by the Eucharistic fast unless the bishop has expressly granted such power to them (cf. CIC 89).

Finally, one must not be under an ecclesiastical censure. Canon law mandates, “Those who are excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion” (CIC 915).

Provided they are in a state of grace and have met the above requirements, Catholics should receive the Eucharist frequently (cic 898).*
 
Other Christians and Communion

The guidelines for receiving Communion, which are issued by the U.S. bishops and published in many missalettes, explain, "We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . . "

Scripture is clear that partaking of the Eucharist is among the highest signs of Christian unity: “Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread” (1 Cor. 10:17). For this reason, it is normally impossible for non-Catholic Christians to receive Holy Communion, for to do so would be to proclaim a unity to exist that, regrettably, does not.

Another reason that many non-Catholics may not ordinarily receive Communion is for their own protection, since many reject the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Scripture warns that it is very dangerous for one not believing in the Real Presence to receive Communion: “For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died” (1 Cor. 11:29–30).

Possible exceptions

However, there are circumstances when non-Catholics may receive Communion from a Catholic priest. This is especially the case when it comes to Eastern Orthodox Christians, who share the same faith concerning the nature of the sacraments:

“Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned” (CIC 844 § 3).

Christians in these churches should, of course, respect their own church’s guidelines regarding when it would be permissible for them to receive Communion in a Catholic church.

The circumstances in which Protestants are permitted to receive Communion are more limited, though it is still possible for them to do so under certain specifically defined circumstances.

Canon law explains the parameters: “If the danger of death is present or other grave necessity, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or the conference of bishops, Catholic ministers may licitly administer these sacraments to other Christians who do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and on their own ask for it, provided they manifest Catholic faith in these sacraments and are properly disposed” (CIC 844 § 4).

It is important to remember that, under the rubrics specified above, even in those rare circumstances when non-Catholics are able to receive Communion, the same requirements apply to them as to Catholics.
 
Non-Christians and Communion

The U.S. bishops’ guidelines for receiving Communion state, “We also welcome to this celebration those who do not share our faith in Jesus Christ. While we cannot admit them to Communion, we ask them to offer their prayers for the peace and the unity of the human family.”

Because they have not received baptism, the gateway to the other sacraments, non-Christians cannot receive Communion. However, in emergency situations, they can be received into the Church via
baptism, even if no priest is present, and an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may bring them Communion as Viaticum.

How to receive Communion

Communion may be received either in the hand or on the tongue. Around the year A.D. 390, Cyril of Jerusalem indicated that the early Church practiced Communion in the hand when he instructed his audience: “Approaching, therefore, come not with thy wrists extended, or thy fingers open; but make thy left hand as if a throne for thy right, which is on the eve of receiving the King. And having hallowed thy palm, receive the body of Christ, saying after it, ‘Amen.’ Then after thou hast with carefulness hallowed thine eyes by the touch of the holy body, partake thereof; giving heed lest thou lose any of it; for what thou losest is a loss to thee as it were from one of thine own members. For tell me, if anyone gave thee gold dust, wouldst thou not with all precaution keep it fast, being on thy guard against losing any of it, and suffering loss?” (Catechetical Lectures 23:22).

The Congregation of the Sacraments and Divine Worship permitted the U.S. Bishops’ Conference to authorize reception of Communion in the hand on July 25, 1977, provided the local bishop implements the practice in his diocese. Once implemented, the option to receive Communion either in the hand or on the tongue always remains with the communicant. No priest, deacon, acolyte, or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may refuse a communicant Communion on the tongue. Likewise, once the local bishop has introduced Communion in the hand, none may refuse a communicant Communion in the hand (except when Communion is being given by intinction, in which case it must be given on the tongue).

Finally, after you have received Communion, it is appropriate to stay after Mass and thank Jesus for coming to you in the Holy Eucharist. The Church mandates that: “The faithful are to be recommended not to omit to make a proper thanksgiving after Communion. They may do this during the celebration with a period of silence, with a hymn, psalm or other song of praise, or also after the celebration, if possible by staying behind to pray for a suitable time” (Inaestimabile Donum 17).

After receiving Jesus into one’s own body and being drawn more closely into his, how could one do any less?
 
Apology accepted. But there is no point in saying I was raised Catholic again. I have already said so at least twice and I’m still being asked to “tell the TRUTH” and told I am not believed.

The fact is, no matter what I say or even what proof I offer, everyone will believe what ever they choose to believe - despite the truth.

Regardless of that sad fact, I accept your apology and harbor no hard feelings.

At least 3 Catholics have made false accusations about me. It is unbecoming a Christian and breaks the 9th commandment.

But may God bless you Cinette. You have not chosen to not justify yourself, but to reach out in reconciliation.

So for you I say:

I was raised Catholic.
I was Baptized, received First Holy Communion and confirmed all at St. John’s Catholic Church, 35900 Lee Street, Whitehall, Wisconsin 54773, by Father Tyson - the priest when I was growing up in the sixties.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior knows I am telling the truth.
I believe you Ginger. I did say however that you don’t talk like a Catholic and this made me believe that perhaps (like myself) you were not sufficiently catechised. There is a sadness in my heart when I read your postings because I believe that the RCC has the fullness of the truth.

You know that scripture about those who have been exposed to the truth and later reject it are committing a mortal sin. I would not say that applies to someone like you. I would say that a typical example would be a priest who turned to heresay - that is an easy example to give.

I said that at least you did not turn away from God like I did. Instead you turned to a Protestant church. That is different because Protestants do have truth and there is salvation for a sincere believer.

I am sad because you are missing an opportunity of the sacraments and all the resources and graces to be enjoyed in the RCC.

Getting back to Confession. You were given scriptural proof and explanations of this sacrament and you stubbornly kept to your insistance tht the Apostles could not pass this power given by Jesus to their successors. That doesn’t make sense.

May I suggest you get some of Patrick Madrid’s books:
  • Where is that in the bible?
  • Where is that in Tradition?
  • Answer me this!
Madrid has produced lots of very good, pocket size books, full of scripture quotations which are an excellent resource to knowing truth.

Thank you for graciously accepting my apology. I enjoy debate and discussions as long as we still love and respect one another. 🙂
 
QUOTE=ChristianKnight;4487441]I never said his church ended, but that doesn’t mean that the disciples were able to pass their power, thats an assumption.
ChristianKnight,

You are contradicting yourself! You say above that "you believe that the Church never ended THEN YOU SAY "The deciples have no power to do anything

If the Apostles can’t Pass their Power/AUTHORITY like YOU SAY then INDEED the Church ENDED.

ChristianKnight, do you then think that Jesus Christ wasted his time to find The Apostles?

Do YOU think that Jesus Christ wasted His time in giving this AUTHORITY to forgive mens sins to the Apostles since it was going to END with the Apostles?

How do you think the Church was built?
What if I was a Muslim? Or a Atheist?
ChristianKnight, Truth is you are close to being a “Muslim or an Atheist” for they too believe that the Apostels have no Power of Authority to do anything! Does that sound familiar to you, Does it not scare you that you have the same feelings as they do?

Ufamtobie
 
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