Protestants can you help

ppasa316 · Jun 11, 2009

Peter_J said:
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of John Gabriel (an amateur psychiatrist, I’m guessing?) or even the “Penny Arcade” comic; but I’m familiar with the general concept you’re talking about. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect (I note that the last section says: ‘The popular online comic Penny Arcade described this same notion as “John Gabriel’s Greater Internet [bleep] Theory”.’)

hey Peter you ought to check out the James the brother of Jesus thread. I have a couple of guys who are hardcore.

Bill_Pick · Jun 11, 2009

Christalone said:
I can’t wait to see answers to these! God Bless Dokimas

You did not have to waite most all have been answer. I hope you read all the answer

Dokimas · Jun 13, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
You did not have to waite most all have been answer. I hope you read all the answer

Bill, did you miss this post?

Does the Holy Spirit live in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16

Does Christ live in you? Gal 2:20; 4:19; Eph 3:17

Does God live in you? 1 John 4:4

Bill_Pick · Jun 13, 2009

Dokimas said:
Bill, did you miss this post?
Does the Holy Spirit live in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16
Does Christ live in you? Gal 2:20; 4:19; Eph 3:17
Does God live in you? 1 John 4:4

No I did not miss it and I think I answer it but I will again., Does the Holy Spirit live in me, Thats a good question I sin can you believe that and the Holy spirit does not like sin,so I will say I have good days and bad days,what about you are you saying the Holy Spirit live in you ?

Dokimas · Jun 13, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
No I did not miss it and I think I answer it but I will again., Does the Holy Spirit live in me, Thats a good question I sin can you believe that and the Holy spirit does not like sin,so I will say I have good days and bad days,what about you are you saying the Holy Spirit live in you ?

That’s not really a direct answer. It’s not complete either because there were questions about Jesus and God in you as well.

I’m a sinner and in need of the grace and mercy of God. However, inspite of my sinfulness, because of being adopted into God’s family, God lives in me, not because I’m good enough but because it’s God’s plan for His children

God lives in all His children. In many ways we are like Mary. She didn’t need to be sinfree to have Jesus inside. God cleans the vessels He uses. Eph 5 tells us, as part of the Bride of Christ we are seen by Him without spot or blemish. In Jesus we are perfect. Thank God for His mercy and grace.

Bill_Pick · Jun 13, 2009

Dokimas said:
That’s not really a direct answer. It’s not complete either because there were questions about Jesus and God in you as well.
I’m a sinner and in need of the grace and mercy of God. However, inspite of my sinfulness, because of being adopted into God’s family, God lives in me, not because I’m good enough but because it’s God’s plan for His children
God lives in all His children. In many ways we are like Mary. She didn’t need to be sinfree to have Jesus inside. God cleans the vessels He uses. Eph 5 tells us, as part of the Bride of Christ we are seen by Him without spot or blemish. In Jesus we are perfect. Thank God for His mercy and grace.

Dokimas No disrepect but if you are having problems with the verse Cathloics calling priest father, I can understand that you are having problems with the rest of the Bible. PEACE

ScottishColleen · Jun 13, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
There are hundreds of millions of Protestants, all interpreting Scripture individually by mere personal opinion, and with all of them claiming “The Holy Spirit Told Me”.

This is broadbrushing and untrue of select groups of protestants.

Dokimas · Jun 13, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
Dokimas No disrepect but if you are having problems with the verse Cathloics calling priest father, I can understand that you are having problems with the rest of the Bible. PEACE

Correction – I don’t have a problem with whatever you want to call your church leaders. That’s not my point.

BTW, you seem to be avoiding my questions. Is it because you’d have to agree that your point that Mary had to be conceived as Jesus was so she could be sinless to be able to have Jesus inside her is in question if Jesus lives in you or me if we are sinners? (I hope that isn’t confusing.) In other words, Mary didn’t have to be sinless (only God is sinless - Jesus said only God is good which would leave Mary out unless she is part of the Godhead) to bear Jesus just as we sinners bear Him in our mortal bodies. Jesus said those that do His will are His mother and brothers.

Dokimas · Jun 13, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
No I did not miss it and I think I answer it but I will again., Does the Holy Spirit live in me, Thats a good question I sin can you believe that and the Holy spirit does not like sin,so I will say I have good days and bad days,what about you are you saying the Holy Spirit live in you ?

The questions in your quote from me was in post #91. If you look between post #91 and # 104 I believe you’ll see you did not respond.

Bill_Pick · Jun 13, 2009

Dokimas said:
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
‘Peter’ in the Greek means a stone or rock. The word the Holy Spirit used in the phrase, ‘upon this rock’ for rock is petra which is much bigger, maybe even a cliff or ledge. Jesus wouldn’t build a church on a stone but on a ledge.
I believe the legde upon which Jesus has built his church is found in Mat 16:16, and that is the words Peter said of Jesus, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” This is the Truth upon which the Church has been built. Take that truth away and there is no church.
Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
I’m not real sure but it says nothing about Peter passing the keys on to someone else.
Mt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The Greek word for church is ekklesia which means ‘called out ones; a gathering of people (in the case of Christians) to worship God’. I think one must be very careful to read anything more into the word church.
Mt 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
I’m not sure but I’d be real careful how I would use this verse.
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Great verse!!! The church (all Christians make up God’s Church) is so important. We need each other.

this is what you said "‘Peter’ in the Greek means a stone or rock. The word the Holy Spirit used in the phrase, ‘upon this rock’ for rock is petra which is much bigger, maybe even a cliff or ledge. Jesus wouldn’t build a church on a stone but on a ledge. "Your adding to the bible cliff and ledge, You your self said stone and Jesus said I will build my Church,Church is one not many. I will build my Chirch on rock (Peter.

Bill_Pick · Jun 13, 2009

Dokimas said:
Correction – I don’t have a problem with whatever you want to call your church leaders. That’s not my point.
BTW, you seem to be avoiding my questions. Is it because you’d have to agree that your point that Mary had to be conceived as Jesus was so she could be sinless to be able to have Jesus inside her is in question if Jesus lives in you or me if we are sinners? (I hope that isn’t confusing.) In other words, Mary didn’t have to be sinless (only God is sinless - Jesus said only God is good which would leave Mary out unless she is part of the Godhead) to bear Jesus just as we sinners bear Him in our mortal bodies. Jesus said those that do His will are His mother and brothers.

Dokimas, did you not see my answer in post 104, Like I have said you are getting very confused,will you also read Luke 1:15 and tell me what you think,have you got answer to all your question. I see in one of your post you said Peter in greek means stone now read Mt.16:18-19 upon this rock I will build MY Church He did not say churchs. BTW you did not tell me what denomation you belong . I have a very long answer for you may I please send a private mail to you,

jean8 · Jun 13, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
There are hundreds of millions of Protestants, all interpreting Scripture individually by mere personal opinion, and with all of them claiming “The Holy Spirit Told Me”.
How can this possibly be, when every doctrine taught by one sect is denied by another, except for the existence of GOD? One claims the “spirit” told them to worship on Saturday, another makes the same claim except they were told Sunday. One says the “spirit” told them not to baptize infants. Yet another makes the same claim from the “spirit”, but insists they were told just the opposite, they must baptize infants.
One claims they were “told” to have communion once a week, yet another was “told” once a month, and yet a third was “told” quarterly. You can readily see that I could go on and on down through the whole list of beliefs and find one which teaches one way and another to the contrary.
Since GOD is one, with only one truth and with only one Holy Spirit, how could that one Spirit of truth be prompting those who have contradicting viewpoints?

A person claiming that the Holy Spirit talked to them?
We all should read and study scripture. does your church have Bible Study? I’m sure they do.
God reveals scripture to us when we are ready to understand what he wants us to know.
I have read the bible for many years. I can come to a passage that I have read many times and a light goes on. Wow, I get it this now.
Having a good Commenatary, a Concordance and a Study Bible helps. I have Bibles , several KJV, NKJV NIV,The New American Bible, Holy Spirit bible. New Testaments , several. I’m always looking for one, so I bought several.

I carry one in my car.
The Holy Spirit does guide us. he also teaches. But that’s another lesson.

God bless,
jean

Dokimas · Jun 14, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
Dokimas, did you not see my answer in post 104, Like I have said you are getting very confused,will you also read Luke 1:15 and tell me what you think,have you got answer to all your question. I see in one of your post you said Peter in greek means stone now read Mt.16:18-19 upon this rock I will build MY Church He did not say churchs. BTW you did not tell me what denomation you belong . I have a very long answer for you may I please send a private mail to you,

Yes, of course I saw #104. And you did not respond to the post I was referring to before your attempt in #104; it is not I that is confused. My questions can be answered: yes, no, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Pretty much any other answer is dodging the questions.

Luke 1:15 makes my point very, very well. Thank you. If the Holy Spirit (God) can live in John the Baptist while he is in the womb of Elizabeth (both sinners), then He (the Holy Spirit - God) was in Mary, the mother of Jesus, as a sinner. I’m quite sure she’s very okay with that understanding.

Dokimas · Jun 14, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
this is what you said "‘Peter’ in the Greek means a stone or rock. The word the Holy Spirit used in the phrase, ‘upon this rock’ for rock is petra which is much bigger, maybe even a cliff or ledge. Jesus wouldn’t build a church on a stone but on a ledge. "Your adding to the bible cliff and ledge, You your self said stone and Jesus said I will build my Church,Church is one not many. I will build my Chirch on rock (Peter.

You so desperately want that ‘One Church’ to be the Catholic church. If you looked closely a my post you quoted, you’ll see the Greek word for church is best understood that the church of Jesus is made up of all those who have been called out of the world and adopted into God’s family.

Dokimas · Jun 14, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
this is what you said "‘Peter’ in the Greek means a stone or rock. The word the Holy Spirit used in the phrase, ‘upon this rock’ for rock is petra which is much bigger, maybe even a cliff or ledge. Jesus wouldn’t build a church on a stone but on a ledge. "Your adding to the bible cliff and ledge, You your self said stone and Jesus said I will build my Church,Church is one not many. I will build my Chirch on rock (Peter.

Why do you keep bringing this up?

No offense to Peter but I doubt his shoulders are big enough to build the church upon. However, the truth that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God is the solid foundation for the Church.

Dokimas · Jun 14, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
I have a very long answer for you may I please send a private mail to you,

Email me if you want. I make no promises about how much of a long email I’ll read. I’ll look at some of it; BTW, please be very sure I understand it’s from you or I might not even open it but delete it not knowing.

Christalone · Jun 14, 2009

Dokimas said:
You so desperately want that ‘One Church’ to be the Catholic church. If you looked closely a my post you quoted, you’ll see the Greek word for church is best understood that the church of Jesus is made up of all those who have been called out of the world and adopted into God’s family.

That is so absolutely correct dokimas. All born again children of God, no matter which faith they follow, and none being better than the other.

Bill_Pick · Jun 14, 2009

Dokimas said:
You so desperately want that ‘One Church’ to be the Catholic church. If you looked closely a my post you quoted, you’ll see the Greek word for church is best understood that the church of Jesus is made up of all those who have been called out of the world and adopted into God’s family.

Lets see if this helps The church is all the baptusze believe in Christ,the First Church just as the Bible said Is the Cathloic Church Remember Jesus charge Peter name to Rock I will build my Church on this ROCK. and told Peter to feed His sheep and then give Him the keys to heaven.

Christalone · Jun 14, 2009

Bill_Pick said:
Lets see if this helps The church is all the baptusze believe in Christ,the First Church just as the Bible said Is the Cathloic Church Remember Jesus charge Peter name to Rock I will build my Church on this ROCK. and told Peter to feed His sheep and then give Him the keys to heaven.

the First Church just as the Bible said Is the Cathloic Church

And just where does it say that?

phoenix3212 · Jun 14, 2009

Dokimas said:
You so desperately want that ‘One Church’ to be the Catholic church. If you looked closely a my post you quoted, you’ll see the Greek word for church is best understood that the church of Jesus is made up of all those who have been called out of the world and adopted into God’s family.

Yes–God’s family–the Catholic Church

I don’t understand why you see a contradiction in that.

Protestants can you help

ppasa316

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Bill_Pick

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Dokimas

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Bill, did you miss this post?​

Does the Holy Spirit live in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16​

Does Christ live in you? Gal 2:20; 4:19; Eph 3:17​

Bill_Pick

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Bill, did you miss this post?​

Does the Holy Spirit live in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16​

Does Christ live in you? Gal 2:20; 4:19; Eph 3:17​

Dokimas

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That’s not really a direct answer. It’s not complete either because there were questions about Jesus and God in you as well.​

I’m a sinner and in need of the grace and mercy of God. However, inspite of my sinfulness, because of being adopted into God’s family, God lives in me, not because I’m good enough but because it’s God’s plan for His children​

Bill_Pick

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That’s not really a direct answer. It’s not complete either because there were questions about Jesus and God in you as well.​

I’m a sinner and in need of the grace and mercy of God. However, inspite of my sinfulness, because of being adopted into God’s family, God lives in me, not because I’m good enough but because it’s God’s plan for His children​

ScottishColleen

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Dokimas

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Correction – I don’t have a problem with whatever you want to call your church leaders. That’s not my point.​

Dokimas

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Bill_Pick

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Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

‘Peter’ in the Greek means a stone or rock. The word the Holy Spirit used in the phrase, ‘upon this rock’ for rock is petra which is much bigger, maybe even a cliff or ledge. Jesus wouldn’t build a church on a stone but on a ledge.​

I believe the legde upon which Jesus has built his church is found in Mat 16:16, and that is the words Peter said of Jesus, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” This is the Truth upon which the Church has been built. Take that truth away and there is no church.​

Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.​

I’m not real sure but it says nothing about Peter passing the keys on to someone else.​

Mt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.​

The Greek word for church is ekklesia which means ‘called out ones; a gathering of people (in the case of Christians) to worship God’. I think one must be very careful to read anything more into the word church.​

Mt 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.​

I’m not sure but I’d be real careful how I would use this verse.​

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.​

Bill_Pick

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Correction – I don’t have a problem with whatever you want to call your church leaders. That’s not my point.​

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Dokimas

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Yes, of course I saw #104. And you did not respond to the post I was referring to before your attempt in #104; it is not I that is confused. My questions can be answered: yes, no, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Pretty much any other answer is dodging the questions.​

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Dokimas

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Why do you keep bringing this up?​

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Christalone

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Christalone

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phoenix3212

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Bill, did you miss this post?

Does the Holy Spirit live in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16

Does Christ live in you? Gal 2:20; 4:19; Eph 3:17

Bill, did you miss this post?

Does the Holy Spirit live in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16

Does Christ live in you? Gal 2:20; 4:19; Eph 3:17

That’s not really a direct answer. It’s not complete either because there were questions about Jesus and God in you as well.

I’m a sinner and in need of the grace and mercy of God. However, inspite of my sinfulness, because of being adopted into God’s family, God lives in me, not because I’m good enough but because it’s God’s plan for His children

That’s not really a direct answer. It’s not complete either because there were questions about Jesus and God in you as well.

I’m a sinner and in need of the grace and mercy of God. However, inspite of my sinfulness, because of being adopted into God’s family, God lives in me, not because I’m good enough but because it’s God’s plan for His children

Correction – I don’t have a problem with whatever you want to call your church leaders. That’s not my point.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

‘Peter’ in the Greek means a stone or rock. The word the Holy Spirit used in the phrase, ‘upon this rock’ for rock is petra which is much bigger, maybe even a cliff or ledge. Jesus wouldn’t build a church on a stone but on a ledge.

I believe the legde upon which Jesus has built his church is found in Mat 16:16, and that is the words Peter said of Jesus, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” This is the Truth upon which the Church has been built. Take that truth away and there is no church.

Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I’m not real sure but it says nothing about Peter passing the keys on to someone else.

Mt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

The Greek word for church is ekklesia which means ‘called out ones; a gathering of people (in the case of Christians) to worship God’. I think one must be very careful to read anything more into the word church.

Mt 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I’m not sure but I’d be real careful how I would use this verse.

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Correction – I don’t have a problem with whatever you want to call your church leaders. That’s not my point.

Yes, of course I saw #104. And you did not respond to the post I was referring to before your attempt in #104; it is not I that is confused. My questions can be answered: yes, no, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Pretty much any other answer is dodging the questions.

Why do you keep bringing this up?