Protestants converting protestants???

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It is understandable that protestants try to convert catholics. BUT if you a part of a protestant denomination, my question to you is that If you believe that your denomination contains the FULLNESS of the faith as revealed by God, then why aren’t you out there converting other protestant denominations to your denomination? (And if you say that other denominations are as good as another, then are you saying contradictions are ok? because most denominations contradict each other).
 
It is understandable that protestants try to convert catholics. BUT if you a part of a protestant denomination, my question to you is that If you believe that your denomination contains the FULLNESS of the faith as revealed by God, then why aren’t you out there converting other protestant denominations to your denomination? (And if you say that other denominations are as good as another, then are you saying contradictions are ok? because most denominations contradict each other).
I’ve never heard of any denomination to claim that they have the FULLNESS of the faith, but just that they have the TRUTH. The only one that claims to have the FULLNESS of the faith is the Catholic Church.

I see what you’re saying here. I agree. It doesn’t make sense for there to be MANY denominations and then still be ONE church. There is only ONE Holy Spirit. The one Holy Spirit that guides God’s Church is guiding our Pope to teach us the FULLNESS of the True faith that is the Catholic Faith.
 
It is understandable that protestants try to convert catholics. BUT if you a part of a protestant denomination, my question to you is that If you believe that your denomination contains the FULLNESS of the faith as revealed by God, then why aren’t you out there converting other protestant denominations to your denomination? (And if you say that other denominations are as good as another, then are you saying contradictions are ok? because most denominations contradict each other).
It all depends on which denominations we are talking about.

Fundamentalists generally do try to convert other Protestants, particularly liberal or high-church ones. They target Catholics especially, but they go after anyone who they think is not “really a Christian,” and this would include most members of most of the older Protestant denominations–Anglicans and Lutherans especially, but the more “mainline” branches of the Reformed and Methodist traditions as well.

Evangelicals (as distinct from fundamentalists) are less likely to target people just because they belong to a particular church, but they will “share the Gospel” with anyone they don’t think has a “personal relationship with Christ,” and again that includes many Protestants as well as many Catholics.

More mainline/ecumenical Protestants do not try to convert other Protestants, but they don’t try to convert Catholics either. In fact, their problem is that they don’t really try to convert anyone, which is one reason why their numbers are declining. . . .

I think one could ask a reasonable question about conservative Reformed and Lutherans. I haven’t heard of a lot of evangelistic efforts by LCMS Lutherans, for instance. Conservative Calvinists do spread their doctrines through argument among other Protestants, but I think it’s fair to say that on the whole they don’t go after other Protestants the way they do Catholics.

Now to your main theological point–Protestant denominations don’t on the whole claim to be the true Church in the way Catholics do. They may think they have the fullness of the truth in the sense of having correct doctrines, and so they may want to argue with other Christians and try to get them to have better theology. But they don’t think that belonging to a particular church is the issue in and of itself. There are exceptions to this (Landmark Baptists, for instance). But it’s the general rule.

Finally, I’d like to note that not all Catholics feel the need to convert other Christians–in fact most probably don’t. As I’ve pointed out on another thread, even the Pope seems to think that corporate reunion should be the goal rather than individual conversion. And folks on this board are always complaining about priests who discourage conversion.

It seems to me that we should try to convert people who lack the true faith in its essentials, not people who merely lack the “fullness” of the faith. (Actually I question whether trying to convert anyone is a profitable enterprise–we are called to bear witness and make disciples, which may not be the same thing as converting people.) If people have the root of the matter, they can be brought to understand the fullness without “conversion.” That is one of the key differences between Protestants and traditional Catholicism.

Edwin
 
It is understandable that protestants try to convert catholics. BUT if you a part of a protestant denomination, my question to you is that If you believe that your denomination contains the FULLNESS of the faith as revealed by God, then why aren’t you out there converting other protestant denominations to your denomination? (And if you say that other denominations are as good as another, then are you saying contradictions are ok? because most denominations contradict each other).
Probably the situation in America is that there isn’t much non believer for you to win. But converting other protestant sound it little strange to me, maybe i should say move them one denomination to other better then converting them, coz they don’t need other baptizm for converting
 
It seems to me that we should try to convert people who lack the true faith in its essentials, not people who merely lack the “fullness” of the faith. (Actually I question whether trying to convert anyone is a profitable enterprise–we are called to bear witness and make disciples, which may not be the same thing as converting people.) If people have the root of the matter, they can be brought to understand the fullness without “conversion.” That is one of the key differences between Protestants and traditional Catholicism.

Edwin
Very well said, Edwin. Having primarily attended evangelical churches throughout my life, I am in agreement with what Edwin has outlined. I, in particular, agree with the above quote.
 
Mormons and JW try to convert me all the time!
But they may or may not be considered “Protestant” or “Christian” depending on who you ask.
The Congregational Methodist Church which I attend doesn’t go out of it’s way to “convert” other Christians.
All of our missionaries work either inside the prison system or in Haiti.
Our church leaders must not think the Baptists need converting as we do alot of work with the local Baptist churches and have even used their baptistry on occasion when someone wanted submerged. The Baptists don’t seem to mind us using it.
I have however had Pentecostals tell me I need to join a “more spiritual church” , I suppose that could be considered trying to win me over to their beliefs.
WP
 
The Congregational Methodist Church which I attend doesn’t go out of it’s way to “convert” other Christians.
All of our missionaries work either inside the prison system or in Haiti.
And whom are you trying to convert in Haiti?

Edwin
 
It is sad, though, when Catholic family members leave the Church to go to other Christian denominations. I pray for them always.
 
It seems to me that we should try to convert people who lack the true faith in its essentials, not people who merely lack the “fullness” of the faith.
Sometimes I think that Protestantism is there for a kind of middleground for non-Christians. So in a way, I agree with you here. The True Faith should be presented to those who lack the Truth of Jesus Christ. But I say why bother with an “extra step” when you can come straight home to the Catholic Church.

Rosalind Moss was a Jewish woman who really didn’t practice her Jewish faith as an adult. She came to the Truth of Jesus Christ through some non-Catholic Christians. She was a Protestant for many years before finally discovering the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in the Catholic Church. She feels her Judism has been fulfilled in the Catholic Church. Jesus did not come to “abolish” but to “fulfill.”

Sometimes discovering the Fullness of Truth requires one to go “backwards” in a sense by discovering a Protestant church, but really going “forward” in a journey to finally discover what was there all along in the Catholic Church. That happens many times with fallen away Catholics who come back home to the Catholic Church.

Jeff Cavins is a cradle Catholic who fell away from the Catholic Church and became a Protestant Pastor. He had to go through that journey in order to discover the Fullness of the Truth back home in the Catholic Church.
(Actually I question whether trying to convert anyone is a profitable enterprise–we are called to bear witness and make disciples, which may not be the same thing as converting people.)
I agree with you on this one. We are called to live as Jesus Christ did. That is how we should “preach” the Gospel. As far as converting people, only the Holy Spirit can do that. I can present you the Truths of the Catholic Church and all of her doctrines and the rest is not up to me. That would be up to God to convert you.
If people have the root of the matter, they can be brought to understand the fullness without “conversion.”
I agree, somewhat. I can present the Fullness of the Truth that the Catholic Church has but you can choose not to be open to conversion. You mentioned “can be brought to understand” but how can one “understand” and not yet be “converted?” If you “understand” something about the Catholic faith then why wouldn’t the next logical step be to convert? I know it would take time and prayer and discernment and I’m all for that; but to NOT be “converted” or not be OPEN to the possibility of conversion is beyond me.
 
It is sad, though, when Catholic family members leave the Church to go to other Christian denominations. I pray for them always.
I pray particularly that no Catholic will ever convert to the Greek Orthodox denomination as they are as dangerous like Islam. We should pray that the Russian theocracy is dismantled and Aleksy II, the patriarch of Moscow and supreme dictator of Russia is ousted, and Russians embrace Catholicism.

Persecutions of Catholics in Russia
 
I pray particularly that no Catholic will ever convert to the Greek Orthodox denomination as they are as dangerous like Islam. We should pray that the Russian theocracy is dismantled and Aleksy II, the patriarch of Moscow and supreme dictator of Russia is ousted, and Russians embrace Catholicism.

Persecutions of Catholics in Russia
Huh? “Supreme Dictator of Russia” is that a new way to say “Tsar”. Vlad Putin is Tsar of the Russias nowadays:confused:
The link about persecutions didn’t work so I couldn’t read it.
WP
 
Edwin is spot on here.

In my LCMS we do concentrate on outreach to the “unchurched” but we don’t try making disciples among people who are happy as Catholics or Presbyterians or what have you.

The reason for this is that while we teach and confess that our doctrine as we find it in the Book of Concord is the fullest and best representation of biblical doctrine, we have always recognized that Christians live and are nourished by Word and Sacrament in other communions as well; or, to put it negatively, just because we do believe ourselves to be the truest church doesn’t mean that other churches don’t have the means of Grace.
 
why aren’t you out there converting other protestant denominations to your denomination?
They do, least they do in the UK. Never heard of the 'Prodder ‘Plodders’? The JW’s are a case in point 👍
 
Then there is the ‘Hinn-thing’. They are not Catholic, therefore, they must be Prodders.
 
Sometimes I think that Protestantism is there for a kind of middleground for non-Christians. So in a way, I agree with you here. The True Faith should be presented to those who lack the Truth of Jesus Christ. But I say why bother with an “extra step” when you can come straight home to the Catholic Church.

Rosalind Moss was a Jewish woman who really didn’t practice her Jewish faith as an adult. She came to the Truth of Jesus Christ through some non-Catholic Christians. She was a Protestant for many years before finally discovering the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in the Catholic Church. She feels her Judism has been fulfilled in the Catholic Church. Jesus did not come to “abolish” but to “fulfill.”

Sometimes discovering the Fullness of Truth requires one to go “backwards” in a sense by discovering a Protestant church, but really going “forward” in a journey to finally discover what was there all along in the Catholic Church. That happens many times with fallen away Catholics who come back home to the Catholic Church.

Jeff Cavins is a cradle Catholic who fell away from the Catholic Church and became a Protestant Pastor. He had to go through that journey in order to discover the Fullness of the Truth back home in the Catholic Church.

I agree with you on this one. We are called to live as Jesus Christ did. That is how we should “preach” the Gospel. As far as converting people, only the Holy Spirit can do that. I can present you the Truths of the Catholic Church and all of her doctrines and the rest is not up to me. That would be up to God to convert you.

I agree, somewhat. I can present the Fullness of the Truth that the Catholic Church has but you can choose not to be open to conversion. You mentioned “can be brought to understand” but how can one “understand” and not yet be “converted?” If you “understand” something about the Catholic faith then why wouldn’t the next logical step be to convert? I know it would take time and prayer and discernment and I’m all for that; but to NOT be “converted” or not be OPEN to the possibility of conversion is beyond me.

Becauise understanding is not agreement, let alone belief. Sympathy & insight are not faith - one can understand, & be attracted to, a Church’s doctrine, without joining that Church:​

  • one may be perfectly content where one is;
  • or might consider that one must not change without something much clearer & more commanding than one’s sympathy with another Church;
  • or there may be a hundred reasons to change, but one against changing that outweighs them all.
 
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