Protestants: Could you please do us all a favor??

[PRmerger]

Wrong and you’ll keep waiting forever.

Ah. So you were posting a lie about Catholicism, then?

I don’t see how you can deny that you wrote this. It’s there or everyone to see.

Among them all there are core one from Scripture that all can agree to, the differences come in secondary doctrines. Just as you Catholics have a core but different secondary in Franciscan, Augustine, Benedictine.

 

[historyb]

No I don’t care to deal with you

 

[PRmerger]

It was in the list and that is why I used it as an example. This is what is meant by Protestants as “majors” and “minors”. Some things are Doctrine…other things are considered lesser than, or “minors”

But how does a Protestant who believes all things must be stated in Scripture know what’s a major and what’s a minor issue?

 

[moondweller]

But how does a Protestant who believes all things must be stated in Scripture know what’s a major and what’s a minor issue?

It’s quite simple PR: Primary issues deal with those sound doctrines revealed in Scripture that pertain to salvation; those that do not are secondary. :tiphat: RC’ism fails to differentiate. But that’s not surprising since its primarily a works based religion.

 

[PRmerger]

It’s quite simple PR: Primary issues deal with those sound doctrines revealed in Scripture that pertain to salvation; those that do not are secondary.

Can you tell me where you’ll find that in Scripture, moondweller? I’d like a chapter and verse that says what’s an essential doctrine and what’s secondary.

Also, are you saying that you have some secondary doctrines that are not revealed in Scripture? Wow.

 

[yubasux95901]

Wow…I don’t need to attend a RCIA class in order to know a lot about Catholicism. And by the way, I once almost considered becoming a Catholic and going to RCIA, but when I sat down and talked to someone (I was considered to be in the exploratory stage, not yet a candidate/catechumen) they did not let me progress any further because of my firm views on the concepts that Mary is queen of heaven and that we should believe in and pray to saints. Oddly enough, we were in the room right next to the RCIA meeting room (it was going on at the same time) and while she was telling me that there was no such thing as a perfect prayer, the RCIA teacher was doing a lesson on how the Lord’s Prayer is the perfect prayer. Don’t get me wrong, I have a few Roman Catholic friends, but these people were extremely narrow-minded. I will also never go to a RCIA class at this church in my community because of this incident. I have read up on many religions and beliefs, but to go so far as saying one thing while the person teeaching it says something completely different is just absurd. Until the people who run RCIA at that church get their stories straight, I doubt I would ever go to, or even consider going to, a RCIA meeting. No thank you, I’d rather stay a Protestant! And besides, Protestants are always going to attack Catholics and vice versa about their faith, it’s just the way it is!

 

[Peter_J]

Can you tell me where you’ll find that in Scripture, moondweller? I’d like a chapter and verse that says what’s an essential doctrine and what’s secondary.

Also, are you saying that you have some secondary doctrines that are not revealed in Scripture? Wow.

Good point. Plus I think it’s rather ironic that he/she is so concerned about us having a proper understanding of Protestantism, when he/she has no qualms about misrepresenting Catholicism.

My :twocents:.

 

[moondweller]

Can you tell me where you’ll find that in Scripture, moondweller? I’d like a chapter and verse that says what’s an essential doctrine and what’s secondary.

You prove my point, PR, by utterly failing to grasp what I wrote.

Also, are you saying that you have some secondary doctrines that are not revealed in Scripture? Wow.

Nope. Said no such thing. Didn’t even imply it.

 

[moondweller]

Good point. Plus I think it’s rather ironic that he/she is so concerned about us having a proper understanding of Protestantism, when he/she has no qualms about misrepresenting Catholicism.

I find it interesting that this thread is about Protestants not posting on the forum until they’ve fully understood Catholicism via conversion or at least attending RCIA classes. Yet it’s been demonstrated on this thread that Catholics themselves have opposing views regarding your Pope and infallibility. So what you have here is Catholics misrepresenting Catholicism since you both can’t be right.

I did, however, provide you with the correct answer according to VAT. 1 & 2. You didn’t like the fact that I did; your little game was discovered, so you went away pouting.

My :twocents:.

And two cents isn’t worth much - especially in today’s economy.

 

[Zundrah]

Hey MOONDWELLER,

Can you tell me what “bac” means? (your religion?)

 

[Memaw]

That is false. The books were agreed on way before a council and back than the Church wasn’t like now. Even if the council never lifted a finger the Bible would still exist God would make sure

Not really!. Many writings were causing confusion.(just as many false interpretations cause confusion and division today), It was the Catholic Church, through the action of the Holy Spirit at that Council, that decided which books were authentically inspired by God and then put them into the order we have them today. But the Council DID ‘lift a finger’, the finger of God. That is God’s Will and time can’t change that! and yes we are the very same Church today as it was then, as it was when Christ first founded it and we will always be the same till the end of the world. Same Doctrine, same 7 Sacraments, Same form of Hierarchy, with the Pope, & Apostolic Succession God Bless, Memaw

 

[sambos671]

That is false. The books were agreed on way before a council and back than the Church wasn’t like now. Even if the council never lifted a finger the Bible would still exist God would make sure

You’re not a landmarkist are you? You’re going to have to prove your point. I don’t think you’ll be able to do it.

 

[PRmerger]

**Moondweller said: **

It’s quite simple PR: Primary issues deal with those sound doctrines revealed in Scripture that pertain to salvation; those that do not are secondary.

But when asked for Scripture verses to confirm this, the response was the non-sequitor:

You prove my point, PR, by utterly failing to grasp what I wrote.

Ah. So there are no verses that claim there is such a thing as primary issues that we must believe and secondary issues that we’re free to disagree upon. It seems that this is another **non-biblical, man-made, non-authoritative, fallible tradition of man **.

Extra-biblical traditions seem to be all over the place in Protestantism. :tsktsk:

 

[Zundrah]

**Moondweller said: **

But when asked for Scripture verses to confirm this, the response was the non-sequitor:

Ah. So there are no verses that claim there is such a thing as primary issues that we must believe and secondary issues that we’re free to disagree upon. It seems that this is another **non-biblical, man-made, non-authoritative, fallible tradition of man **.

Extra-biblical traditions seem to be all over the place in Protestantism. :tsktsk:

I was a protestant just a few weeks ago!
But I was never told of all these random things.:whacky:…just confuses everyone (or at least it confuses me).

 

[PRmerger]

I was a protestant just a few weeks ago!
But I was never told of all these random things.:whacky:…just confuses everyone (or at least it confuses me).

Not sure what you mean, Zundrah? What “random things” are you referring to?

 

[Peter_J]

I did, however, provide you with the correct answer according to VAT. 1 & 2.

You should keep saying that – I’ve heard that if you say something enough times, it will eventually become true.

Maybe you’d also like to tell us that Catholics worship Mary, and that we believe the Pope is “God on earth”?

You didn’t like the fact that I did; your little game was discovered, so you went away pouting.

Your ad hominems are becoming a little tiresome.

 

[Peter_J]

I was a protestant just a few weeks ago!
But I was never told of all these random things.:whacky:…just confuses everyone (or at least it confuses me).

Hi Zundrah,

You say you were Protestant a few weeks ago … Are you still Protestant? And, if not, what did you convert to?

 

[moondweller]

**Moondweller said: **

But when asked for Scripture verses to confirm this, the response was the non-sequitor:

No, my friend, what was non sequitur was your question.

Ah. So there are no verses that claim there is such a thing as primary issues that we must believe and secondary issues that we’re free to disagree upon.

Why would there need be? A mature, spiritual man can easily decipher between the two.

It seems that this is another **non-biblical, man-made, non-authoritative, fallible tradition of man **.

No, it’s a matter of handling accurately (or, rightly dividing) the (inerrant) word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15). But that’s not possible with a works based religion which sees everything written as a condition to be met for a future salvation; thereby demonstrating its inability to comprehend what the theopneustos Scriptures have revealed concerning the doctrine of salvation based on personal faith in the Person and finished, expiatory, propitiatory work of the Savior. IOW, if it can’t comprehend Christ Himself as “Savior,” it certainly can’t decipher between those Biblical passages that form the doctrine of salvation and those that are addressed directly to “the saved.” The latter being secondary.

Hence, for any works based religions the Scriptures are of little value, so instead they lean more heavily on traditions of men (1 Cor. 2:14).

Extra-biblical traditions seem to be all over the place in Protestantism. :tsktsk:

I’ll certainly admit Protestantism has its share of them. Some being carryovers from Catholicism which itself is heavily burdened down by them. So much so that we’ve seen on this thread that even Catholics themselves are confused by them - even after the last two RC councils.

 

[moondweller]

Hey MOONDWELLER,

Can you tell me what “bac” means? (your religion?)

“Born again Christian”

 

[moondweller]

Maybe you’d also like to tell us that Catholics worship Mary, and that we believe the Pope is “God on earth”?

Your problem, Peter, is you like to stereotype. Seems to make you more comfortable.