Protestants: defend your use of artificial contraception

[kathmandu]

And yet what joy there is in that guy.

That is the big difference. Christ is the big difference.

He obviously does not mind being a burden.

 

[benedictus2]

The RCC is the only organization in the world that has dead bodies handing on crosses in every room of their buildings. I find it strange that people are so desensitized to them. I asked my husband why it did not bother him. He said he is used to it. I was in a restaurant in northern Maine and there was one hanging on the wall in their dining room! I was appalled. I thought Christ was risen? But in all these places he is still dead. It diminishes His power.

No. It is actually His Cross that signifies His Triumph and His Glory. That is why we have a feast on the Triumph of the Cross.

It is not about being desensitized. It is about realizing that our salvation was bought at a very high price. The Cross is Triumphant Love in all its glory. But until you plumb the depths and scaled the heights of Christian theology you will not get that at all.

 

[benedictus2]

He obviously does not mind being a burden.

He knows what it is to live in humility.

You are so bitter you do not even get how awesome this guy is. And that is truly sad.

 

[kathmandu]

No. It is actually His Cross that signifies His Triumph and His Glory. That is why we have a feast on the Triumph of the Cross.

It is not about being desensitized. It is about realizing that our salvation was bought at a very high price. The Cross is Triumphant Love in all its glory. But until you plumb the depths and scaled the heights of Christian theology you will not get that at all.

Then why not an empty cross symbolizing the risen Christ? No, I don’t get it at all.

 

[kathmandu]

He knows what it is to live in humility.

You are so bitter you do not even get how awesome this guy is. And that is truly sad.

Whatever…
I know I would never want to live being a burden to anyone. My job is to serve, not to be served. When I am no longer of any use then it is time to go back to where I came from.

 

[benedictus2]

Then why not an empty cross symbolizing the risen Christ? No, I don’t get it at all.

To remind us that we should also take up our cross.

That we also need to die to self so that we can rise to life in Him.

At that point when Christ died, He conquered death. That body on the cross signifies God’s Love. That is the God become Man who loved us to death.

Those who who want an empty cross do not want to be confronted by this great sacrfice. They want Easter without the the Good Friday. But there is no Easter without Good Friday.

And the same thing applies to all of us. We all need to pass through the cross. And unless we learn to embrace it the way Jesus did, then Life is a still a long way away.

 

[kathmandu]

To remind us that we should also take up our cross.

That we also need to die to self so that we can rise to life in Him.

At that point when Christ died, He conquered death. That body on the cross signifies God’s Love. That is the God become Man who loved us to death.

Those who who want an empty cross do not want to be confronted by this great sacrfice. They want Easter without the the Good Friday. But there is no Easter without Good Friday.

And the same thing applies to all of us. We all need to pass through the cross. And unless we learn to embrace it the way Jesus did, then Life is a still a long way away.

i am pulling your leg. I have crucifixes all over my house.

 

[benedictus2]

Whatever…
I know I would never want to live being a burden to anyone.

Yes, that grates against our pride our self-sufficiency, doesn’t it.

But that is how God humbles us sometimes, when we refuse to be humble.

A friend of mine who was a super nun, establishing schools, coops, helping build water wells in Africa learned that lesson well when she just collapsed and one flash was completely helpless, needing care.

Salvation means a dying to self and that is what humility is all about, a dying to self, a dying to the ego that demands supremacy.

My job is to serve, not to be served.

Being served because of an infirmity is not Lording it over others. Learning to accept that we are in need of others is actually a greater quality than being the one who is fit and has the upper hand.

When I am no longer of any use then it is time to go back to where I came from.
From my perspective, it is God who decides whether I am useful or not.

If one is infirmed, one does not cease to be useful.

Our lives are not about us but about God and God’s purpose for us. So He and He alone has a right to decide when life ought to end.

You have a very utilitarian view of life. A person is only good for his/her usefulness. That is how Stalin, Mao and Hitler saw people. It denies the intrinsic value of a person whose true worth is based on the fact that he was created in the image of God.

 

[kathmandu]

Yes, that grates against our pride our self-sufficiency, doesn’t it.

But that is how God humbles us sometimes, when we refuse to be humble.

A friend of mine who was a super nun, establishing schools, coops, helping build water wells in Africa learned that lesson well when she just collapsed and one flash was completely helpless, needing care.

Salvation means a dying to self and that is what humility is all about, a dying to self, a dying to the ego that demands supremacy.

Being served because of an infirmity is not Lording it over others. Learning to accept that we are in need of others is actually a greater quality than being the one who is fit and has the upper hand.

From my perspective, it is God who decides whether I am useful or not.

If one is infirmed, one does not cease to be useful.

Our lives are not about us but about God and God’s purpose for us. So He and He alone has a right to decide when life ought to end.

You have a very utilitarian view of life. A person is only good for his/her usefulness. That is how Stalin, Mao and Hitler saw people. It denies the intrinsic value of a person whose true worth is based on the fact that he was created in the image of God.

I do have a very practical view of most things. If this body does not get the job done, trade it in for another.

 

[kathmandu]

I love playing devil’s advocate.

 

[kathmandu]

Yeah. !2 years of catholic school made me really dumb.

 

[kathmandu]

I am not asking for forgiveness. I am actually an Episcopalian, and yes, in my home church we have a crucifix. We purchased the church from the Roman Catholic Diocese and we kept the stations of the cross, the crucifix over the tabernacle, and some of the old plaster statues because we liked them.

 

[kathmandu]

Episcopalians agree to disagree. We are part of the Anglican communion but we do not call ourselves Anglican. Something to do with the American Civil War. We are not big on dogma. We do not have a pope who we follow to the word.

And my philosophy is Buddhist. I don’t find a contradiction there at all. My collection of religious art includes crucifixes, images of saints, statues of Buddha, Guan Yin, the Little Flower, various Madonnas, and icons. They are all spiritual reminders of people who became close to God/The Divine in their human lifetimes.

In the Episcopal Church you are free to approach God in many ways. I just can’t stand the coffee hour.

 

[kathmandu]

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[kathmandu]

My good friend who is an Episcopal priest is pro-choice. The moral views of the majority of Christendom just means a lot of people are against abortion for one reason or another. It is a matter of belief. And there certainly are a lot of people who are Christian who have had abortions. I have a sister and a sister-in-law who both had them, were eaten up with guilt and became devote Roman Catholics. That is good for them. It has helped them heal their pain. But they were both Roman Catholic before the abortions. And that is just in my immediate family.

This kind of dishonesty is the same problem I have had with the RCC since I was a school girl in the 1960’s. Do what I say, not what I do. I am not saying that all Roman Catholics are like that. Most of you are honest and true. But I prefer to be honest and upfront with what I believe, not pretend I am 100% the party line.

I personally have never had an abortion. When I was younger I actually tried to talk a few of my friends out of going for them. One friend in particular was doing heroin while pregnant. That poor baby would have been a mess if it had been born.
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[kathmandu]

That is what you believe.

 

[kathmandu]

No, that is what you believe God revealed.

 

[Le_Cracquere]

It is not about whether we like children or don’t like children.

The issue here (just in case you missed it) is that children are being considered a disease.
Okay, you win. To avoid offense, I’ll try a different awkward simile: children as facial hair! Just because a fellow shaves does not mean that he considers beards a disease. He doesn’t think them worthy of eradication from the earth. But he doesn’t feel required to sport one himself.

But if a baby is a disease then YOU ARE A DISEASE. Your mother was just not successful at getting rid of the disease. Your mother’s mother and so forth ought to be blamed because her mother should have gotten rid of the disease that is your mother in the first place so that the disease that is yourself cannot afflict this world.

After all, they said that if you get to the cancer early enough, you can stop it spreading.

You sure you’re not my brother-in-law? He’s always expressing similar sentiments about yrs. truly. Unfortunately for a few, the horse that is myself has long since exited the barn door.

And many people don’t like working. So what is your point? Should we eliminate everything we don’t like. Should I hire a “cleaner” to eliminate my neighbour if I don’t like them?

I’m not inclined to eliminate work, but if a fellow of independent means dislikes work and can get by without it, let him. If a man dislikes having neighbours, don’t begrudge him if he moves to some rural place where he doesn’t have any.

I am quite horrified that you are writing this.This is a very un-Christian (even diabolic) perspective. Only the EvilOne could have whispered this in your ear.

If children are a punishment, then woe to the world because we have been punished with you and your like. Your mom has a lot to answer for by keeping and maintaining this disease that is you, when it should have been smothered at birth.

If children are a punishment, no one - not one single person- has a right to exist in this world because everyone is therefore a punishment. Everyone should thus be obliterated from the earth to remove this punishment called humanity. Perhaps the solution is to tell the UN that we drop a huge number of nuclear bombs to rid the world of its misery. David Koresh and Jim Jones in global proportions.

Hmmm I keep hearing Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot in all these posts.

Can I go with General Zod? The man was simply awesome. KNEEL BEFORE ME, EARTHLINGS!

For the rest, I gently refer you to my statements above.

And who says that having children is the same as having skills sets? You have are a really warped mentality if (snip blah snip blah).

I’ll repeat, typing slowly. I d o n ’ t l i k e ’ e m. Have as many as you please. Have three dozen. But not everyone shares your opinions about the charm of their company or the necessity of having them. And when people who encounter these contrary views invoke the Evil One through Pol Pot down to Cobra Commander, and generally freak out like a maiden aunt who’s just been flashed, they invite a doubt or three about their OWN “rational faculty.”

 

[benedictus2]

Okay, you win. To avoid offense, I’ll try a different awkward simile: children as facial hair!

Aah LeC. With every post you dig your self deeper into the quagmire

Children are like hair that one can just cut off.

That goes for you as well. As I said, your mom has a lot to answer for.

Or maybe the doctor was to blame for saying she was pregnant when it was actually a humongous cancerous tumor.

You sure you’re not my brother-in-law? He’s always expressing similar sentiments about yrs. truly. Unfortunately for a few, the horse that is myself has long since exited the barn door.

Nope, according to you, you are a disease. That is why your position is laughable. A cancer complaining that there are too many cancers already. A cancer saying it doesn’t want other cancers around.

Oh and if you have a wife or husband, they are also right smack in that category. You might actually inform him/her of their current status as I believe he/she is not aware of this.

I’m not inclined to eliminate work, but if a fellow of independent means dislikes work and can get by without it, let him. If a man dislikes having neighbours, don’t begrudge him if he moves to some rural place where he doesn’t have any.

Well according to you, anything is permissible so killing one’s neighbour is permissible if one so happens to dislike to them.

Can I go with General Zod? The man was simply awesome. KNEEL BEFORE ME, EARTHLINGS!

For the rest, I gently refer you to my statements above.

Hoping that levity will mask the evil bent? Sorry it didn’t work.

I’ll repeat, typing slowly. I d o n ’ t l i k e ’ e m.

And I will type eeeveeeen sssslllloooooooowwwweeerrr. I t h a s n o t h I n g t o d o w I t h l I k e s o r d I s l I k e s.

Have as many as you please. Have three dozen. But not everyone shares your opinions about the charm of their company or the necessity of having them.

I think you need to brush up on comprehension. The points raised here have nothing to do with the charm or their company nor of the necessity of having them. I thought you would have got that by now.

And when people who encounter these contrary views invoke the Evil One through Pol Pot down to Cobra Commander, and generally freak out like a maiden aunt who’s just been flashed, they invite a doubt or three about their OWN “rational faculty.”

Aaah, obviously you are not exercising the rational faculty again since you failed to make the connection that has been very plainly shown.

Read them a few times and you’ll get it.

 

[benedictus2]

No, that is what you believe God revealed.

Interesting. An Episcopalian who does not believe in Christian revelation.

Actually par for the course when you think of how the denomination started and the fact that it was the first one to break with Christian truth regarding contraception.

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