Protestants do not really believe in Sola Scriptura

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If you can’t show from Scripture that these 2 things are mentioned in Scripture then this is shows the Catholic church is not the church of Christ.
Jesus’ apostles and/or the ones who studied under them used the word Catholic… the word was used in the year 107… and probably before then, though there may not be any written record of it being used earlier… Even so… 107 is early enough (certainly earlier than any Protestant church goes…). St. Ignatious studied under one of the Apostles…i believe it was John… and i believe St Ignatious is the one who used the term in that 107 written document… (the Didache??)

and saying that if you can’t show from scripture where some “Catholic truth” or another came from, then it shows the Catholic Church is not the Church of Christ… that is like saying that if i can’t find in my automobile’s owner’s manual the fact that my car, the car the manual goes to, is the best car ever made… & the only one anyone needs to buy… then that proves it is not… :rolleyes:
 
Jesus’ apostles and/or the ones who studied under them used the word Catholic… the word was used in the year 107… and probably before then but i don’t believe there is any written record of it being used earlier… Even so… 107 is early enough. St. Ignatious studied under one of the Apostles… and i believe he is the one who used the term in that 107 written document… (the Didache??)

and saying that if you can’t show from scripture where some truth or another came from - then it shows the Catholic Church is not the Church of Christ… that is like saying that if i can’t find in my automobile’s owner’s manual the fact that the car it goes to is the best car ever made… then that proves it isn’t… :rolleyes:
107 is not good enough. Sorry. Since we don’t see any churches in the NT referred to as the Catholic church it means its that the Catholic church is not the church that Christ established. 🤷
 
107 is not good enough. Sorry. Since we don’t see any churches in the NT referred to as the Catholic church it means its that the Catholic church is not the church that Christ established. 🤷
1521 is not good enough. Sorry. Since we don’t see any churches in the NT referred to as the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian… it means… they are not the churches that Christ establshed… 🤷
 
Depends what their talking about. Lots of protestant churches believe in the core doctrines i.e. deity of Christ, Trinity and the fall of man.
Big deal… They are not the true Church Christ established… they went away from the true Church to establish man-made “versions” thereof…

I can’t trust man-made…
 
1521 is not good enough. Sorry. Since we don’t see any churches in the NT referred to as the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian… it means… they are not the churches that Christ establshed… 🤷
This is already being said by catholics. Now it looks like the Catholic doesn’t have a leg to stand on by the same criteria.
 
This is already being said by catholics. Now it looks like the Catholic doesn’t have a leg to stand on by the same criteria.
whatever you say…

it is human nature to believe what one wants to believe… If your ignorance as to t he Catholic Church being the one founded by Christ… is not invincible… and you continue to fight against becoming a member thereof, you are on your way to Hell…
 
If that’s the best you can do… you might as well admit defeat…

Protestantism was defeated 2000 yrs ago…
What i see some people trying to do is to knock down a straw man when it comes to Sola Scriptura instead of seriously engaging. Unless i know what people mean by the term its fruitless to discuss much further.
 
What i see some people trying to do is to knock down a straw man when it comes to Sola Scriptura instead of seriously engaging. Unless i know what people mean by the term its fruitless to discuss much further.
stop feigning ignorance…

i believe you are just trying to distract people with this kind of thing…
 
whatever you say…

it is human nature to believe what one wants to believe… If your ignorance as to t he Catholic Church being the one founded by Christ… is not invincible… and you continue to fight against becoming a member thereof, you are on your way to Hell…
Thats just the problem. Look at the NT church in what it believes and see if it is identical to the Catholic church. They are not one and the same.
 
stop feigning ignorance…

i believe you are just trying to distract people with this kind of thing…
Its not ignorance. If people are going to go against another’ beliefs then it must truly represent that person’ beliefs. Correct?
 
Thats just the problem. Look at the NT church in what it believes and see if it is identical to the Catholic church. .
i have and i do…

i have studied Church history and Catholicism… relatively in depth… & i have been Catholic all my life… (both inside & outside the Church…)

One thing is for sure…

You cannot say that…
 
It comes from the nature of the Scriptures themselves i.e. inspired-inerrant. Since this is true of them there is no higher rule.
If you believe that than you are an athiest.

God is a higher authority.
We know that it is from the Scriptures that God speaks. For example Jesus claimed to speak in the place of God and He exhorted people to believe what He said,
God speaks to us now through the Church and if you do not believe what the Church teaches than you do not believe in God.
He commuciated to us through the prophet, apostles and finally in His Son.
And the message continues through the Church. If you don’t believe that than you are not a Christian.
Since the Scriptures are inspired-inerrant by God that in itself gives us the certainty of what He intends. For example we know God desires all men to be saved because the Scripture tells us so.
We know that God wants all to be saved because GOD says so. Humans just happened to write that down for the benifit of future generations. God was pleased by this action and inspired the writtings to be free from error. But you had better watch your word. The paper and ink have NO authority. God has the authority.
What could be higher than something that is inspired-inerrant? There is nothing else that is.
If you believe that than you are an athiest.

What is higher than something that is inspired-inerrant? How about the one that made it so.

Besides, how do we know that the Bible is inspired? Really, how do we know?

Here is a lesson in OBJECTIVE REALITY for you.

God exist. If you don’t believe that you are an athiest and the enemy of God.

God is All Powerful. *If you don’t believe this than you do not deserve the name of Christian.

God is all perfect. *See above.

God created the universe. *See above. God did not create the universe because some man made book says that he created the universe. He created the universe on his own authority and power.

God desires all mankind to go to heaven and claim the dignity that he created us for. He wants to free us from our faults. God wants this because he loves us. *See above. God does not love us because we wrote a book saying that God has to love us. We do not force God to love us. We have no claim on God. God would be completely justified in damning every one of us and forgetting about us. Thankfully he does not do that.

Because God loves us, he has done a lot of things for us. One of those things that he did was to come to us and die for us to remove our sins from us. *See above.

Before he died on the cross for us he founded a Church. *See above.

He blessed that Church and promised to that Church that it would be inspired and inerrant. *See above.

That Church is at the service of Allmighty God. *See above.

That Church is responsible for bringing the message of Christ to the world. *See above.

One of the ways, but not the only way, that the Church brings the message of Christ to the world is by sharing with the world many of the wonderful things that the Church has written about God. God was pleased with this action and since God promised to the Church that they would always teach the Truth, the inspired the writtings of the Church to be free from error. *See above.

So here is where we are. God exist of his own authority. The Church exist because God created it. The Church’s teachings are free from error and are inspired by God because God promised that to us. The Church created the Bible. The Church exist by the authority of God and the Bible exist by the authority of the Church. The ultimate source of course is God but the Church was charged with the actual writting. Who put the pen to the paper, Catholics.

What the Bible talks about is inspired and free from error but the Bible doesn’t talk about everything. The Church does talk about all matter of human life and experiance and the Church, because the Church is inspired and free from error, gives us the teachings that we need to be in God’s grace.

They don’t talk about condom in the Bible but it really doesn’t need to be discussed in the Bible because the Church is here to teach us. The Bible supports the Catholic Church.

And on a side note, for you protestants out there who claim to believe in Sola Scriptura, why do you go against the Bible. Every protestant faith believes in and teaches at least one doctrine that the Bible stands in direct opposition to. Why do you do that if you believe in sola scriptura?

Only the Catholic Church teaches and lives in complete accord with the Bible. Not because we read the Bible and said “oh that is what we have to do.” The Catholic Church is in complete accord with the bible because the source of our inerrancy and the source of the Bible’s inerrancy is the same, GOD. God is the Truth. The Catholic Church lives and preaches the Truth. The Bible also preaches the Truth. The Truth will always agree with each other. There is no difference of opinion in the Truth. The Truth is oneness. The Truth is simple. The Truth can be observed in Objective Reality. The Truth leads us to God because he is the source of all truth.

God is all truth. The Church is all truth, since God is the source, that has to do with human life. The Church let us say for example, teaches 1000 truthful things and Zero untruthful things. The Bible teaches 500 truthful things and Zero untruthful things. The reason is that we just couldn’t write everything down.

Now I want to send out a very strong warning to the people who say they believe in sola scriptura. If you place the authority of the Bible above the authority of God you are committing a sin similar to the sin of Eve in the Garden. You are taking authority in the wrong order. In the Garden authority went from God to Adam to Eve. Eve and Adam corrupted that and instead wanted to obey the snake, a created being, to Eve to Adam. This was the reverse of how God established it. You committ the same sin when you try to raise the Bible to a station above the Church and indeed above God himsself. You take a Holy thing like the Bible and defile it by worshipping it in place of the One True God. You should take heed to what the Bible itself preaches against this. God will not leave unpunished. You will not have false gods before the One True God.

Every time you say you believe in sola scriptura, you exclude God from faith. God’s authority trumps the Bible any day. Sola means ONLY. If the Bible is your ONLY, then there is no room for God in you.

Also, you have to seriously question yourself. If you believe in sola scriptura than why don’t you read the bible? Why do you blow off teachings in the bible that are too hard for you? Why don’t you really live as the Bible instructs? The Bible says you must be baptized, you protestants say you don’t have to be. Why is that? The Bible says you must eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood, but protestants say you don’t have to. Why is that? The Bible says you must obey the authority of the Church, but protestants say they don’t have to. Why is that? The Bible says that non Jews do not have to be circumsized but protestants are now saying that they must be. Why is that? The Bible says that you must confess your sins, but protestants say you don’t have to. Why is that? The Bible says that the Church has the power to forgive sins, but protestants say the Church doesn’t. Why is that? The Bible says that you can loose your salvation, but protestants say you can’t. Why is that? The Bible says that you must perform works of mercy, but protestants say you don’t have to. Why is that? The Bible says that God now calls all mankind to salvation but some protestants say that only white people can go to heaven. Why is that? The Bible say that Jesus is right at this very moment offering his blood on the alter in the sanctuary in heaven, pleading to the father for us, but protestants say his sacrifice is over and done with. Why is that? They Bible says that Peter had authority over the other aposltes, but protestants say he does not. Why is that? The Bible say that Peter wrote at least one letter from Rome, but protestants say he never went there. Why is that?

Every protestant faith preaches teachings that the Bible directly opposes. Why? If you really believe in sola scriptura, why do you preach anti-biblical things? Why do you not follow the bible faithfully the way Catholics do?
 
Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide were bogus from the start. It was just Luther’s way of justifying the rebellion. He was so disgusted with the Church that he came up with some new doctrines to explain that there really shouldn’t be a Church. The joke is that we have Protestant theologians spending their lives supporting these doctrines when they are patently absurd and illegitimate on their faces. It is not an issue of “we agree to disagree.” The Protestants are wrong on this, and should know it, as the initial poster says. If you want to rebel and start your own Chuch, go ahead, but have to character to just say it’s because you just don’t like the first Church.
 
What this shows then that no church can claim to be the church of Christ…
NO it doesn’t. Objective reality exist regardless of what you can understand from reading a book.

God founded the Catholic Church. That Catholic Church teaches the truth. The Bible teaches the Truth. The Truth that exist in the Catholic Church and the truth in the Bible are the SAME truth.

Protestant teach anti-biblical things. They stand against the teachings in the Bible. They are teaching people that they “have to sin.” The Catholic Church stands with Lord Jesus and proudly says No… “Stop Sinning”. Protestants don’t want to hear that so they make things up like “Catholics aren’t scriptural” but this is a lie. Only the Catholc Church is in complete accord with the Bible because the source of our truth and the source of the Bible’s truth are the same, GOD.
 
To Distracted & Claudius. It saddens me as a Christian to read such things that are coming from both of you. You put yourself as the Judge Himself, our Savior, by saying that if you don’t belong to the Catholic church there is no salvation, one is an athiest, etc… It is written,“Neither is there SALVATION in any other; for there is none other name(Yeshua, Jesus) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be SAVED.” Acts 4:12. Please beware of placing yourself as God, our ONLY Judge, Who decides who is going to heaven or hell. It is written,“Judge not lest you be judged by how you judge.” Matt. 7:1,2. Please pray for His Spirit of compassion. After all when you & I & all of humanity was nailing Him to the cross He forgave us. Your brother in our Savior.
 
To Distracted & Claudius. It saddens me as a Christian to read such things that are coming from both of you. You put yourself as the Judge Himself, our Savior, by saying that if you don’t belong to the Catholic church there is no salvation, one is an athiest, etc… It is written,“Neither is there SALVATION in any other; for there is none other name(Yeshua, Jesus) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be SAVED.” Acts 4:12. Please beware of placing yourself as God, our ONLY Judge, Who decides who is going to heaven or hell. It is written,“Judge not lest you be judged by how you judge.” Matt. 7:1,2. Please pray for His Spirit of compassion. After all when you & I & all of humanity was nailing Him to the cross He forgave us. Your brother in our Savior.
It saddens me that people who claim to believe in sola scriptura never read the Bible. You people let so much dust collect on your bibles that it becomes a biohazard but the ONE line of scripture that you can pull out is “judge not lest ye be judged”.

I think you need to go back to you bible and find out what the Bible says about judging.

Protestants who reject Christ can still yet be saved but not by Catholics saying “oh, it is wrong but we can’t say anything.”

That is judging. I do not judge. I do not think that someone is so depraved that they are incapable of accepting Christ. I want you to go to heaven.

If a Catholic sins and dies, he goes to hell.

Oh but if a protestant sins and dies, well we can’t say he went to hell because that would be judgemental.

Here is a clue for you. In the old testament God commended that certain actions not be done. He said “you must banish this evil from among you”.

Sin is against God. No one is allowed to sin simply because they belong to a religion that allows that sin.

You need to wake up.

Protestants are right now, today, teaching people to sin. I don’t say that because I don’t like protestants, or because protestants aren’t Catholic. I say it because it is true. They are teaching poeple to use condoms. They are teaching people that abortion is ok. They are teaching people that Catholics are sinning when we recieve Jesus in the Eucharist.

This is wrong no matter who does it and I will say so. I don’t care if you are offended or are uncomfortable or disturbed. God’s will be done.

There are 45,000 different protestant religions out here, but we know that truth can only be singular.

Not baptized, not a Christian.
Reject Christ, not a Christian.

I am not trying to win any oecumenism awards, I am trying to get to heaven to be with God and I want you to come with me but that is not going to happen if you preach that abortion and condom and hating the Eucharist is ok. That will get you a ticket to hell. I don’t want you to go to hell so I must tell you and anyone who will listen that these things are wrong. We must banish this evil from among us.
 
To Claudius. For one thing, where in the world did I say abortion & using a condom is ok. Where are you coming from? All I am asking is beware of the spirit in which you talk to people. I, like you, struggle with having the right attitude & words to say to my brothers & sisters. It is constructive criticism. Those words were destructive.
 
Not until you define what Sola Scriptura is. Can you do that? View attachment 4029
OK, so you admit that sola scriptura is not plainly taught in the Bible - you tried a couple of diversionary tactics to avoid the question of where it is taught in the Bible
  1. What is sola scriptura? - what a dishonest dodge that is. Why don’t you give your definition. Several people have defined it in this thread already.
  2. Change the subject. Let’s talk about the authority of the Church, not sola scriptura. Let’s talk about the word “Catholic”, not sola scriptura.
Are you sure you’re not a politician. You sure can bob and weave around a subject with the best of them.

One more time - Where is sola scriptura plainly taught in the Bible?

****** crickets chirping ***********

justasking4 answers - what do you mean by the Bible? When you say “is” - exactly what do you mean? I heard there was a Pope once who wasn’t a good guy, so that invalidates everything you’re saying. How do you know that the sky is really blue? Can you prove it? Why do Catholics believe in transsubstantiation? What is truth?
 
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