Protestants do not really believe in Sola Scriptura

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
Even your statement here is your own personal interpretation of what you think and believe your church teaches. Take your belief that Christ promised to guide the church into all the truth. You must personally interpret that for yourself to have some understanding what it means. No one can do that for you.

po18guy
You are into relativism. That leads to atheism. It is not a “belief” that Christ sent the Holy Spirit to guide the church into all truth. It’s His word. It’s in your bible! What other pages are you tearing out due to personal disagreement?

The following is also in your bible. Do you believe it? 2 Peter 1:19-20 (King James Version!) “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

Private interpretation caused trouble even for the Apostles! And, yet you persist. No wonder you are confused. I’ll continue to pray for you.

Has your church offically and infallibly interpreted this verse? If, so where did they and what did they say it meant?
The second thing you are going to have to do is to interpret for yourself what the interpretation means for yourself. There is no getting around personal interpretations.
Third, however your church interprets this passage how will you know its the correct interpretation?

 

[justasking4]

justasking4;4200215:

Here is what the New Catholic ency says about the DC"s—You can apologize for accusing me of bearing false witness after you read this.

"St. Jerome distinguished between canonical books and ecclesiastical books.** The latter he judged were circulated by the Church as good spiritual reading but were not recognized as authoritative Scripture.**

The situation remained unclear in the ensuing centuries…For example, John of Damascus, Gregory the Great, Walafrid, Nicolas of Lyra and Tostado continued to doubt the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books. According to Catholic doctrine, the proximate criterion of the biblical canon is the infallible decision of the Church. This decision was not given until rather late in the history of the Chruch at the Council of Trent. The Council of Trent definitively settled the matter of the Old Testament Canon. That this had not been done previously is apparent from the uncertainty that persisted up to the time of Trent (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, The Canon)."

Hopefully this will help to clear up your confusion on this matter…
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4124&d=1221932122
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Sorry just proves that Holy Mother Church can and does clarify things as needed.
This is not about clarifying but an example that the church previously before Trent was mislead catholics what the full canon of Scritprue was. It wasn’t until after Trent that catholics had the “full” canon…

 

[justasking4]

Maybe one of the multiple personalities can answer.
But I doubt they can or will even try. It seems to be* run around the issue *not answer the issue.

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[RobGentner]

KathleenElsie;4200515:

This is not about clarifying but an example that the church previously before Trent was mislead catholics what the full canon of Scritprue was. It wasn’t until after Trent that catholics had the “full” canon…

**Misleading? Strange choice of words. Could you clarify exactly what difference being mislead made to the flock being mislead? **

 

[justasking4]

justasking4;4201372:

**Misleading? Strange choice of words. Could you clarify exactly what difference being mislead made to the flock being mislead? **

For one they did not have the “fullness of the truth” without the DC’s. It would also mean that since these books were not consider Scripture before there was not biblical basis for praying to the dead. Not to have a biblical basis for a belief or practice would have a signifcant impact.

 

[guanophore]

For one they did not have the “fullness of the truth” without the DC’s. It would also mean that since these books were not consider Scripture before there was not biblical basis for praying to the dead. Not to have a biblical basis for a belief or practice would have a signifcant impact.

They were considered Scripture by Christ, 1500 years before Trent.

Since the Catholic faith is based upon Jesus, and is not derived from a truncated collection of Scripture, it is not necessary to have a “biblical basis” for everything. If Jesus taught it, then we accept it.

Jesus was very clear that He is not the God of the dead, but the living. In that Teaching, he named several people that have already passed from this world, to the next.

Basing one’s practices from the Bible is what has a significant impact. Since each person who reads it understands it a little bit differently, practices become very divergent from Apostolic Teaching. Scripture was meant to be read with the mindset of those who penned it.

 

[Mimi]

In Mark Shea’s book, By What Authority? he tells that his conversion to Catholicism began when he realized that he, as a non-Catholic, did believe wholeheartedly certain matters of faith/morals that could not be supported with Scripture. (Read an excerpt here.)

The non-Catholic rejects some Marian dogmas, for example, because they don’t see them spelled out in Scripture, yet they embrace the Trinity, oppose abortion, and believe that public revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle, and believe that Scripture is the sole rule of faith - none of these things are spelled out in Scripture either. Just as has been said many times, Sola Scriptura is self-refuting.

Yes, excellent book! I am kinda hooked on conversion stories, as I am a “Cradle” Catholic; dh is a recent convert. It is very edifying when people who know scripture so very well (or so they thought when they were in Bible college), see the Catholic Church as the one which teaches & practices (or observes) what the Bible teaches best. Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, Mark Shea, Tim Staples; I could go on and on! The more I learn about the development of doctrine & Church history, the more happier I am to be Catholic.

God bless, and I hope and pray justasking4 finds his/her way Home to Rome!
Mimi

 

[Michael_Francis]

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