Protestants: Do you believe that Christ is truly present in the communion elements of bread and wine?

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I’m a member of the RCC and I believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the bread and wine. I believe that it is a real spiritual presence. I think that St. Paul makes it clear in his letters to the church and he makes a clear difference in the earthly flesh and the spiritual flesh.(1 Corithians 15:35-44) St. Paul also says that we have been given one spiritual drink to drink. (1 Corithians 12:12-13) I may be wrong, but I think that many people dismiss the idea that spiritual flesh is real. I came from a Protestant background, but I think I have always believed in the real spiritual presence. I know that there are a lot of people that believe it is only symbolic, but maybe they just need more time. I think that if they read John 6:35-63, especially 6:63 where Jesus says, “63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.”, then were to read through some of the key passages in St. Paul’s letters, then maybe they would see things a little differently. If a person understands that “spiritual” conveys a “real” meaning and not just a symbolic one, then the dispute over the meaning of “literal” becomes a mute point.
 
John1 said:
I’m a member of the RCC and I believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the bread and wine. I believe that it is a real spiritual presence. I think that St. Paul makes it clear in his letters to the church and he makes a clear difference in the earthly flesh and the spiritual flesh.(1 Corithians 15:35-44) St. Paul also says that we have been given one spiritual drink to drink. (1 Corithians 12:12-13) I may be wrong, but I think that many people dismiss the idea that spiritual flesh is real. I came from a Protestant background, but I think I have always believed in the real spiritual presence. I know that there are a lot of people that believe it is only symbolic, but maybe they just need more time. I think that if they read John 6:35-63, especially 6:63 where Jesus says, “63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.”, then were to read through some of the key passages in St. Paul’s letters, then maybe they would see things a little differently. If a person understands that “spiritual” conveys a “real” meaning and not just a symbolic one, then the dispute over the meaning of “literal” becomes a mute point.
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GOOD POINTS,THANK YOU
 
Tell that to the people that have allergies.
NDfan said:
Wrong Jeanne. It’s a resounding no sacristan. That’s why transubstantiation makes no sense. Wheat is part of the substance of bread. The part you can’t see. The accidents are the outward things your senses pick up on. The smell of bread, the taste, look etc. etc
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from the CCC
Transubstantiation: The scholastic term to designate the unique change of the Eucharistic bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. “Transubstantiation” indicates that through the consecration of the bread and wine there occurs the change of the entire substance of the bread and wine into the substance of the Body of Christ, and the entire substance of the wine into the Blood of Christ–even though the appearance or"species" of bread and wine remain.

CCC 1374 The mode of Christ’s presence under the Eucharistic species is unique. It raises the Eucharist above all the sacraments as “the perfection of the spiritual life and the end to which all the sacraments tend.” In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist “the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.” "This presence is called ‘real’ - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be ‘real’ too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present

13755 It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion. Thus St. John Chrysostom declares: It is not man that causes the things offered to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God’s. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered. And St. Ambrose says about this conversion: Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed. . . . Could not Christ’s word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before? It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature.

**1376 **The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation

To me it is a mystery and I leave it to a better mind than mine to explain.
Jeanne
 
JeanneH said:
Tell that to the people that have allergies.

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from the CCC
Transubstantiation: The scholastic term to designate the unique change of the Eucharistic bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. “Transubstantiation” indicates that through the consecration of the bread and wine there occurs the change of the entire substance of the bread and wine into the substance of the Body of Christ, and the entire substance of the wine into the Blood of Christ–even though the appearance or"species" of bread and wine remain.

CCC 1374 The mode of Christ’s presence under the Eucharistic species is unique. It raises the Eucharist above all the sacraments as “the perfection of the spiritual life and the end to which all the sacraments tend.” In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist “the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.” "This presence is called ‘real’ - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be ‘real’ too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present

13755 It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion. Thus St. John Chrysostom declares: It is not man that causes the things offered to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God’s. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered. And St. Ambrose says about this conversion: Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed. . . . Could not Christ’s word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before? It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature.

**1376 **The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation

To me it is a mystery and I leave it to a better mind than mine to explain.
Jeanne
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why try to limit our lord
 
What happens to the host after you’ve eaten it? Is it digested normally?..I know that sounds like a dumb question.
 
JeanneH said:
I have a friend that cannot receive because she is allergic so if that is limiting God so be it.
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It is sad indeed that she does not believe that Jesus in the Sacrament will not heal her when she receives. If she would receive in faith, the Lord would heal her of her allergy to wheat.
 
No question is dumb.

It is my understanding that the bread and wine is digested like any other thing we put into our bodies,
The Real Presence is present until the host and wine is digested.
John1 said:
What happens to the host after you’ve eaten it? Is it digested normally?..I know that sounds like a dumb question.
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John1 said:
What happens to the host after you’ve eaten it? Is it digested normally?..I know that sounds like a dumb question.
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Yes it is digested normally. We are made closer to Jesus when we receive His Precious Body and Blood, We are in Him and He in us.
 
JeanneH said:
I have a friend that cannot receive because she is allergic so if that is limiting God so be it.
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There are people out there who would say that even taking medicine is a sign of weak faith. (“What, don’t you believe that God can heal you without some doctor’s help??”) Personally, I don’t pay too much attention to such people.
 
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