Protestants: Doesn't it bother you that your religion is of man-made origin?

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OK the lied too mother. How about that? I just use uncaring because that is what my wife always says. She can not comprehend how any woman can not realize it is a baby growing in them. And really the uncaring part was in reference to the partial birth abortion idea. She has to partially give birth to the Baby in order to have the abortion performed. It is inches away from coming all the way out. How uncaring can that be?

i totally agree… everyone involved in promoting abortion is uncaring… which is why all politicians claiming to be Catholic who promote it ought to be publicly ex-communicated… why they are not is beyond me…

Didn’t Jesus say that if you “deny me before men, i will deny you before the father”?

 

[KenEOTE]

i totally agree… everyone involved in promoting abortion is uncaring… which is why all politicians claiming to be Catholic who promote it ought to be publicly ex-communicated… why they are not is beyond me…

Didn’t Jesus say that if you “deny me before men, i will deny you before the father”?

Totally agree. It angers me to no end when someone says something like I read my bible I believe in Jesus now lets make sure we allow woman to have a choice in the killing of their babies. Ok they don’t say the killing the babies part but you get the idea.
For a person that I once jokingly asked if you were Satan you aren’t half bad.

 

[distracted]

I figure that Catholicism is man made too.

you can figure all you want…

But the truth doesn’t change…

 

[distracted]

Totally agree. It angers me to no end when someone says something like I read my bible I believe in Jesus now lets make sure we allow woman to have a choice in the killing of their babies. Ok they don’t say the killing the babies part but you get the idea.
For a person that I once jokingly asked if you were Satan you aren’t half bad.

well, we can all be Satan sometimes… hopefully not to a significant degree, though…

 

[Namesake]

you can figure all you want…

But the truth doesn’t change…

Correct. Now which way is it?

 

[distracted]

Correct. Now which way is it?

which way??

Jesus is the way…

other than that… no comprendo…

 

[bcm6987]

Lutherans started about 500 yrs ago… the others are even newer… and all began by mere humans… who disagreed with the pope and with ea other…

Doesn’t that bother you??

Of course it does! You can tell by the way they post. They are afraid of truth. After all, it is an amazing thing to follow Christ in the manner He prescribed. This being said, we must pray for all of those missing out out on our beautiful Sacramental lives, our Liturgical Worship, and our Devotions to those who are already in Heaven with Him. We must pray and do penance for those that have refused the truths revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, for we all know what awaits them!

 

[catholiconce]

hmm… don’t have the book in front of me. You really ought to read it… i could not do justice to it by stating a few things from the book… I’m pretty sure you can get that book at Catholic.com (?). I think Catholics should also read it…

basically, Luther was a foul-mouthed, egotistical… (etc…) person… He said VILE things about the pope and others… and vile things about the Church… He, at one point, told his friend he was drawing near to Hell…

It was particularly interesting how he died… what he said right before he got ill…

Like i said, i can’t do justice to the book just givng out bits & pieces of info from it…

The book you refer to is a book written from a roman Catholic view point. Anybody can write a book and tell others what they think somebody else said. Or rather how they interpeted what was said Words and statements can be taken out of context. I am sure if someone stands up to the wrong doing the Catholic church had done back then their views may be biased. I was not there 500 years ago you were not there and niether was the author of the book. The book is written based on what someone said about what somebody else said or did. I have several books that look at the other side of the issue. However that is just what they are a book written on a differnt view of an event that happened 500 years ago. I do not have my book in front of me either but hmm you ought to read it. Looking at current events in the roman catholic church things have not changed much, 500 years from now this entire child molesting thing will have never have happened . Those that are here then will debate it in the same manner we do today. Low and behold if " you protestants" “That never happened how dare you your going to purgatory Prot boy”

 

[Happy_Squash]

Wow - as Lutheran looking into possibly converting to Catholicism, what I’ve read so far makes me ill. The judgement here is so black and white! Catholics are Good and Protestants are Bad.

I came here to look for theological answers, but found Lutheran bashing. Not what I expected.

I’m hoping that the Catholics I meet in real life will be a kinder bunch.

 

[sola_scriptura]

Wow - as Lutheran looking into possibly converting to Catholicism, what I’ve read so far makes me ill. The judgement here is so black and white! Catholics are Good and Protestants are Bad.

I came here to look for theological answers, but found Lutheran bashing. Not what I expected.

I’m hoping that the Catholics I meet in real life will be a kinder bunch.

All the Catholics I know (or at least most … like any other group) are fine people. However, what about theology? Have you considered the Reformed tradition? Have you ever studied Calvin at all (besides just listening to all the misinformation out there)?

 

[RobHom]

Wow - as Lutheran looking into possibly converting to Catholicism, what I’ve read so far makes me ill. The judgement here is so black and white! Catholics are Good and Protestants are Bad.

This my friend is not necessarily the case. I have been a Catholic all of my life…and yet I have friends of all faiths, and they are good people. I have a sister in law who is Lutheran, and she’s good people. I had never really experienced this kind of stuff where Lutherans are concerned… I’ve caught flack from some of the others…mostly the “gomer types” in the South.

I’ve come to learn who some of the good guys and ladies are here, and not all of them are Catholics… Not all Catholics are good, and not all Protestants are bad… Its neither way. We are all humans, we err, we sin, but we try…and by the grace of God, we will endure and succeed.

I came here to look for theological answers, but found Lutheran bashing. Not what I expected.

I’m hoping that the Catholics I meet in real life will be a kinder bunch.

Please don’t let the actions of a few, regardless of belief taint your perceptions of all. In these forums its easy to mis-read things… I have to be cautious when I read things…and when I say things.

I think you will find that most people who are true followers of Christ, regardless of their denomination…are good people.

 

[raumzeitmc2]

basically, Luther was a foul-mouthed, egotistical… (etc…) person… He said VILE things about the pope and others… and vile things about the Church…

Yes, Luther, it would seem, had some serious emotional / moral problems, for how else explain his incredibly vehement style and vulgar language? How vulgar? Well, just look at these two examples (there are many more in the references cited below, particularly in the works of Fr. Grisar).

The following two examples are from his Tischreden or Table Talk (caution: the language is a bit rough!).

Luther Suffers Pain and Expects His End. Winter of 1542-1543. No. 5537, recorded by Caspar Heydenreich (1516-1586).

I’m like a ripe stool and the world’s like a gigantic anus, and so we’re about to let go of each other.

Table Talk, Luther’s Works, vol. 54, p. 448.
American Edition, 1967, Fortress Press, ISBN 0800603540
amazon.com/Luthers-Works-…/dp/0800603540

The next quote is also from his Table Talk (not the American ed.). This is from the “Aufzeichnungen” i.e. “Notes,” taken at Luther’s table by his friend, Johannes Mathesius. Luther, speaking against the Pope (in a mixture of Latin and German) says:

Si me papa citaverit, non veniam. Ich schis im auf die Citation, quia est adversarius. Si autem concilium mihi diem indixerit, tunc ob temperabo.

(The older German schis = schiss = scheißen)

Hartmann Grisar (vol. 3, p. 232, “Language of the Table Talk”) has this translation of the above quote: archive.org/details/grisarsluther03grisuoft

Were the Pope to cite me to appear before him, I should not go. I should sh-t upon the summons because he is hostile to me; but were I summoned to by a council, then I should go.

Sources (German and Latin):

Analecta Lutherana et Melanthoniana, Tischreden Luthers und Aussprüche Melanthons, Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Johann Mathesius, Johann Karl Seidemann, Georg Loesche, Gotha, Friedrich Andreas Perthes, 1892, p. 218.
books.google.com/books?id=zLw9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA218&dq=%22Ich+schis+im+auf+die+Citation%22&lr=&as_brr=0

Luther’s Werke in Auswahl, Martin Luther, Albert Leitzmann, Otto Clemen, Otto Constantin Clemen, W. de Gruyter, 1955, p. 93.
books.google.com/books?id=La0aAAAAIAAJ&q=%22Si+autem+concilium+mihi%22&dq=%22Si+autem+concilium+mihi%22&lr=&pgis=1

Please friends, don’t see this as “Luther bashing;” this is most certainly not my intention at all. What is my intention is merely to present the, “facts about Luther,” as they emerge from his own writings and sayings.

The book you refer to is a book written from a roman Catholic view point. Anybody can write a book and tell others what they think somebody else said. Or rather how they interpeted what was said Words and statements can be taken out of context.

Yes, it’s written from a Catholic viewpoint, but so what? That doesn’t mean the statements contained therein aren’t factual. But below are more works which you can check out, some of which are original sources. You can peruse them at your leisure. I hope you find them helpful.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3956673&postcount=9=

Rebuilding a Lost Faith, John Stoddard, 1922, 2003, ISBN 076613735X
books.google.com/books?id=VWbW5SqO0goC&printsec=frontcover&dq=rebuilding+a+lost+faith&sig=ACfU3U0scO8Jk_F1asXXv9Ca8YQlTGXQ5A

Full text at the Internet Archive.
archive.org/details/rebuildingalostf001613mbp

See chapter X on Luther.

Luther, Hartmann Grisar, 6 volumes. All six volumes available at Internet Archive.
archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Grisar%2C%20Hartmann%2C%201845-1932%22

(You might want to see the chapter on “Marriage and Sexuality” in volume 3. Luther had some rather strange ideas here. archive.org/details/grisarsluther03grisuoft )

Luther’s Own Statements Concerning His Teaching and Its Results: Taken Exclusively from the Earliest and Best Editions of Luther’s German and Latin Works, by Henry O’Connor, S. J., New York, Benzinger Brothers, 1884. second ed.

Formerly entitled: The Only Reliable Evidence Concerning Martin Luther.

In three parts:
scribd.com/doc/2870183/Luthers-Own-Statements-Concerning-His-Teaching-and-Its-Results-1

scribd.com/doc/2870193/Luthers-Own-Statements-Concerning-His-Teaching-and-Its-Results-2

scribd.com/doc/2870205/Luthers-Own-Statements-Concerning-His-Teaching-and-Its-Results-3

Martin Luther (resources)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_(resources))

On the Jews and Their Lies – Wikipedia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

 

[cathopologist]

oh enough already. We are not the seperated Brethren. I get so sick and tired of all the attacks on non Roman Catholics. Yes I said Non Roman. I am a Catholic just not a roman Catholic, I am a memeber the Holy catholic Church Lutheran Rite. Now what is some Roman Catholic apologist is going to attack me for what i just said? So What!! " Bring it on attack me all you want !! Sticks and stones Sticks and stones.

Had a bad day huh?
http://cathopologist.com//public_html/wp-content/downloads/Bad Day Boy.jpg

 

[Ruthie]

Let’s all settle down…

Yes, Luther said some vulgar things, and sometimes lost his temper. Guess what? so have I. His words were preserved for posterity. Wherever he is now, I bet he wishes he could edit them.

While I wish he had never caused the Protestant movement, I do give him credit for wanting to reform the Church. I’m not really up on Church history yet, but I credit him with being the catalyst for bringing the Bishops from “we should think about stopping these abuses” to “Let’s do it - now!”

And I also know he has said some beautiful and uplifting things - one of our Lutheran friends quotes him in his sig line, and I love that quote! If I only had a memory, I’d repeat it…

Ruthie

 

[Zeroth]

Lutherans started about 500 yrs ago… the others are even newer… and all began by mere humans… who disagreed with the pope and with ea other…

Doesn’t that bother you??

What a loaded question. Atheists like me believe all religion is man-made. If Protestants didn’t believe their’s had some divine mandate, they wouldn’t adhere to it.

And you have had nearly 3,000 posts and ask tripe like this.