Protestants, explain Fatima.

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here is a link if you don’t know anything about it. ewtn.com/fatima/

i would love to know the protestant view on this and why God gave Catholics such a great miracle that hasn’t been done for protestants…
 
While I, like most Catholics, believe Fatima, there is no requirement that a Catholic, let alone a Protestant, believe it. There seems no reason why a Protestant should be obliged to explain it.
 
i, more or less, just want to know why, if our religion is so wrong, there would be such a great sign, as with the sun, that has never accured for the ‘bible christians’. i didn’t say anyone had to believe it.
 
xmydreamsfadex said:
i, more or less, just want to know why, if our religion is so wrong, there would be such a great sign, as with the sun, that has never accured for the ‘bible christians’. i didn’t say anyone had to believe it.
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But why do you assume that no 'Bible Christians" have received private revelations?
 
xmydreamsfadex said:
here is a link if you don’t know anything about it. ewtn.com/fatima/

i would love to know the protestant view on this and why God gave Catholics such a great miracle that hasn’t been done for protestants…
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I obviously have never read an independent report on it so I cannot say much.
ETWN is not exactly unbiased.
 
i’m wondering why they never had a miracle, witnessed by thousands of people including freemasons and atheists, to confirm to their religion.
the best you get is the ones that hit you with their palm of the forehead and tell you that you’re not a cripple anymore, or the ones that send out washclothes you put over your bills so God will bless your bills and you’ll get money to pay those bills.
it’s late. i’m going to bed.
 
BrianH said:
I obviously have never read an independent report on it so I cannot say much.
ETWN is not exactly unbiased.
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Taken from Wikipedia:

The Miracle of the Sun is an alleged miraculous event that was witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular papers had been ridiculing for months as being the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. [1]

According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky.[2] It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[2] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[2] frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world.[3] Witnesses reported that the ground and their previously wet clothes became completely dry.[4]

Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século,[5] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[6] both of whom were present that day.[7]

The miracle was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fatima, an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to three young shepherd children in 1917, as having been predicted by the three children on 13 July,[8] 19 August,[9] and 13 September[10] 1917. The children reported that the Lady had promised them that at mid-day on 13 October in the Cova da Iria the Lady would reveal her identity to the children[11] and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.”[12]

According to witness reports, the miracle of the sun lasted approximately ten minutes.[13] The three shepherd children, in addition to reporting seeing the actions of the sun that day,[14] also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.[15]
 
Syele said:
But why do you assume that no 'Bible Christians" have received private revelations?
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private revelations and miricles happen to anyone God wants to reviel himself to.

Several miracles in the Catholic Church are God’s sign to both faithful and non faithful so that the may believe there is a God.

People even Catholics “private revelations” could be works of God or the Devil. Only way to see who these revelations come from is to test them according to the Whole truth. God will not contridict himself but the Devil will contridict God. Contridictions dont have to be do something that God has told you not to do, but they could have details left out of what God has told you to do.

ex.

Matthew 16:13-20

13 And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? 14 But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter[rock]; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

Catholics here hold firm to the scriptures that Jesus says directly to Peter that he will build his church on him and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Divinly inspired scripture infallible scripture, yet people who claim to live faith by the bible fail to realize that christ ment Peter as the Rock and not himself.

If Christ was the foundation the ground of the chruch it would require men to build up the church and faith. Christ instead as God built his church on Man, specificly Peter who we view as our first pope so the foundation of the church the rock on which it is built is the chair of the pope. Other then in the first chapter of acts does scripture give a good insite on apostolic succession.

So when reading the bible people try to discredit Peter as being the Rock on which Jesus built the church. They come up with a few other passages 1 Peter 2:8, 1 Corinthians 10:4, Romans 9:33 showing Jesus as the Rock.

1 Corinthians 10:4 (Whole Chapter)
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

This passage is in reference to the rock in exodus which Moses struck to give water to the jews.

The other passages do use rock as part of the church but not the foundation. Psalm 118, 1 Peter 2:7 , Acts 4:11, Luke 20:17, Mark 12:10, Matthew 21:42.

Jesus is the Capstone [Cornerstone] of the Catholic church. Jesus built his church on man, but Jesus himself holds his church together. God can destroy a man made building and man can rebuild that building over and over as long as there is a foundation there. But man can not destroy a building that is held together by God. Jesus is our Cornerstone the papacy is our foundation. Earthquaks can shake a foundation and cause the buildings to fall, but no matter how hard the foundation of the Catholic church gets shaken from scandles and sin of our church leaders the Church will not fall because the Church is not of Man but of God himself.

To believe otherwise is not playing on God’s team and thus against God. So when a private revelation says Believe and Jesus and your saved and from the Catholic the anti-christ will raise out so hold firm to the Holy Scriptures and ignore everything the Catholic church says and study and find salvation on your own. Is in a sense contridiction of what Jesus and God have established.
 
I have read of two alternative explanations (which I present somewhat for your amusing):
  1. Result of action of evil spirits
  2. Landing on earth of Extra-plentary woman from an extra-terral flying object. This non-earth woman was mistaken by peasants to be Mother of God.
But I agree with above personages that to argue superiority of some religion because of better miracles, might lead to praising satanistic religion. Better to discuss ideas.
 
Volodymyr said:
  1. Landing on earth of Extra-plentary woman from an extra-terral flying object. This non-earth woman was mistaken by peasants to be Mother of God.
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I can see how they could be easily confused…👍
 
xmydreamsfadex said:
i’m wondering why they never had a miracle, witnessed by thousands of people including freemasons and atheists, to confirm to their religion.
the best you get is the ones that hit you with their palm of the forehead and tell you that you’re not a cripple anymore, or the ones that send out washclothes you put over your bills so God will bless your bills and you’ll get money to pay those bills.
it’s late. i’m going to bed.
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xmy…,

Protestants and Catholics are all Christians (check catechism #817 - #838. We all belong to the same religion: Christianity.

🙂 Bamm
 
**My dear protestant friends,

Who appeared at Fatima? MARY THE MOTHER OF GOD,
MARY THE LIVING TABERNACLE,
MARY DAUGHTER OF THE MOST HIGH GOD
MARY THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD &
MARY THE SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

MARY QUEEN OF HEAVEN

Once you understand the VISITATION, you will begin to understand all the VISITATIONS OF MARY.

Most of all, you have to understand and Love MARY.

Ave MARIA **
 
CTA1967 said:
Is there even such an event as a group hallucination?
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Groups hallucinating? Only at Woodstock…😃

To me, it is not a hallucination. There were too many witnesses and unless they were all hallucinating, they know what they saw. That means that this was either a sign from God or a sign from the devil. Why should it matter, though? If it is of God, then that confirms our faith. If it is of the devil, then it is to distract us. Either way, our faith is sufficient. Do we need proof? Then it is not truly faith…Orthodox Christians also have miraculous sights of Christ and the Virgin, so these are not unique…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
*Hi Bamm,

I believe that if you really followed through the happenings of Fatima, in relation to Holy Scripture, you would not need to ask this ?.

I would refer you to one incident in Germany, where there had to be such as you mentioned, as no right thinking person could have attached themselves to such evil. 1938 - 1945.
Specifically the mass rallies, which incited such terrible violence upon humanity.

No my friend, Fatima, Knock, Lourdes, and various other approved apparitions do not fall into the category you are thinking about.

However, there are grave ?'s with regard to Medjugorje, which has not been accepted by the Catholic church.

Bless,
Jubilatae*
 
  1. Private revelations do not form part of the deposit of faith of the Roman Catholic Church and its members are not bound to believe in any of them.
  2. The sun did not really “dance” or other witnesses would have seen it.
    …Since there is only one sun, the “dancing” phenomenon would have been visible in other areas as well.
    …when the sun blackened at the crucifixion everyone saw it
    …it has been scientifically proven that an eclipse occurred on the date we believe the crucifixion occurred
In other words, Fatima does not meet the burden of proof that is evident in Biblical events.
 
Ginger2 said:
  1. The sun did not really “dance” or other witnesses would have seen it.
    …Since there is only one sun, the “dancing” phenomenon would have been visible in other areas as well.
    …when the sun blackened at the crucifixion everyone saw it
    …it has been scientifically proven that an eclipse occurred on the date we believe the crucifixion occurred
In other words, Fatima does not meet the burden of proof that is evident in Biblical events.
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actually there was a author named alfonso lopes viera that saw it 30 miles away from fatima in town of san pedro der muel. investigations have proved that it was seen in an area of 32 by 20 miles. anyway, The Blessed Mother said the miracle wouldn’t be as great since the kids were kidnapped. i think that i’ll believe the 70,000+ that said it “danced” since with God, all things are possible.
 
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