Is it difficult to deny truth?
Originally Posted by Roy5
Sorry. Perhaps it’s my Protestant bias. Perhaps it’s my sense of propriety. Perhaps it’s my tendency to view Jesus as speaking in metaphors like “I am the door.” Perhaps it’s because the whole concept of eating flesh and blood seems pagan, gross, and contradictory to basic ethics. But the whole notion that in communion we are eating the body and blood of Christ simply is unbelievable.
***The factual evidence for this Dogma is both Biblically and historically overwhelming.
Please note that all 4 Gospel writers speak if it as does St. Paul. This is a rarely found in the Bible. READ: Mt. 26:26-28, Mk.14:22-24, Lk. 22:19-21 John all of Chapter 6***
*, but especially the quotes I shall pull and print for you. Please notice the absolute lack of metaphorical or parable language. Indeed we see very specific language, so clear that one must be willing to deny the truth of the message, or be considered dishonest and insincere. Paul in 1 Cor. 11:23-26. Also note Paul
Let’s began with Paul 1 Cor. 11:27 27 "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner [meaning either in serious sin or unbelieving] will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself /I]
This is clearly not a metaphor ! And Paul can’t be talking about the staples of bread and wine. How can eating JUST FOOD "profane the Body and Blood of Christ?"
The real question is not “Can God do this? Of course God can. God can do anything GOOD. The better question is why would God want to?
Jn. Chapter 6 1: 4 Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand. Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a multitude was coming to him, Jesus said to Philip, “How are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat?” … One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, said to him, “There is a lad here who has five barley loaves and two fish; but what are they among so many?” Jesus said, “Make the people sit down.” …so the men sat down, in number about five thousand. Jesus then took the loaves, and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated; so also the fish, as much as they wanted. And when they had eaten their fill, he told his disciples, “Gather up the fragments left over, that nothing may be lost.” So they gathered them up and filled twelve baskets with fragments from the five barley loaves, left by those who had eaten” [Note fish, even today a sign of Jesus, Bread like OT Manna, and 12 = the 12 tribes which means us today!]
- When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?” Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves .Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’" Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world.” 35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.
41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, “I am the bread, which came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread, which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. .
60Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”… 63 It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you that do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that would betray him. And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
66After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”
Note: This is in the setting of the Passover meal,[See Exo.12:21-27]. God specified 1. A male lamb 2. Unblemished 3. A bread offering 4. A wine offering. [Lev. 23: 5-13, John 1:29 & 36, 1 Pet.1:19.]
In John 1 and 1 Peter Jesus is identified specifically as this lamb. NOTE: In order to effect a sacrifice there MUST BE a shedding of Blood![This is fulfilled by Jesus on the Cross.]
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