Protestants, how can this be possible?

[jmcrae]

ok i will try once more…

turn the clock back

at age 30 there about, I believed the RCC was the one only true church founded by Jesus and built on Peter, the rock,
I submitted to this then

I reject that belief today…

to that you say?

No one here can make that kind of a judgement. Only God knows what was going on in your heart at the time, whether it was a case of obstinate disbelief (actual sin), or failure to study your faith and remain in the practice of the Sacraments (sin of omission), or genuine confusion (no sin), or even a case of you being a victim of deliberate deceit (someone sinned against you).

Since no one can really know what was going on at that time except God, it is impossible for anyone except God to judge you.

 

[PRmerger]

what does the RCC teach about me now?

It depends on how obstinate you are. And how much you refuse to learn the Truth. Now that you are on this forum and you have been exposed to more catechesis about God’s Word, I believe that your responsiblity is much, much greater.

btw, if Peter was solid as a rock, so much so to build on,

Peter did deny Jesus…not once but three times

another reason Peter could not be the Rock

God bless

Did you know that Peter means Rock, mpjw? Did you know that Jesus changed Simon’s name to become Rock?

Again, now your responsibility is greater, now that you’ve been taught the Truth.

 

[mpjw2]

No one here can make that kind of a judgement. Only God knows what was going on in your heart at the time, whether it was a case of obstinate disbelief (actual sin), or failure to study your faith and remain in the practice of the Sacraments (sin of omission), or genuine confusion (no sin), or even a case of you being a victim of deliberate deceit (someone sinned against you).

Since no one can really know what was going on at that time except God, it is impossible for anyone except God to judge you.

if it is actual disbelief… I flat out do not believe what the RCC teaches about certain issues,
That is how I want to die…

you say?

 

[jmcrae]

if it is actual disbelief… I flat out do not believe what the RCC teaches about certain issues,
That is how I want to die…

you say?

Again it depends on the reason. “I don’t believe that divorce is forbidden because I can’t stand my wife” is a whole different ball game than “I don’t believe that divorce is forbidden because I see marriage as a contract for sex between two people, and if the sex has stopped being fun, how is there still a marriage?”

The first is rooted in sin, and the second is rooted in genuine confusion. Only God knows the state of your soul. No human being can judge you.

 

[PJM]

=PRmerger;5707861]It depends on how obstinate you are. And how much you refuse to learn the Truth. Now that you are on this forum and you have been exposed to more catechesis about God’s Word, I believe that your responsiblity is much, much greater.

Did you know that Peter means Rock, mpjw? Did you know that Jesus changed Simon’s name to become Rock?

Again, now your responsibility is greater, now that you’ve been taught the Truth.

Peter was the arch perfect first Pope, because he showed his humanness, even his sinfulness. Peter also showed sincere sorrow for what he had done, demonistrated humilty in being publicly asked THREE TIMES: “Peter do you love Me? feed my sheep, feed my lambs, feed my sheep.” God forgives or what furture would any of us have?

Jesus does not pick [except Mary His Mother] perfect people, rather Jesus desires people who desire to “be holy as I am holy”; be “perfect even as the Father is perfect.” God wants humble, open minded, loving, OBEDIENT people.

Love and prayers,

 

[wisdomseeker]

No. All readers know as do you. God is in us all. His voice is there and we know it. It is up to us to obey it and not block it.

yes, it is. you are right. so, how come you are disobedient to God by rejecting the Church (CC) He left as an authority to teach all men His Truth?

How come you are being disobedient to God?

you have created your own god.
please dont blasphemy against God by telling others that our God contradicts Himself.

 

[Seeker100]

yes, it is. you are right. so, how come you are disobedient to God by rejecting the Church (CC) He left as an authority to teach all men His Truth?

How come you are being disobedient to God?

you have created your own god.
please dont blasphemy against God by telling others that our God contradicts Himself.

You say I have created my own God. This is not true. The church often has wisdom but is not my authority. The church is not my God. My denomination is not my God. Jesus is my God.

 

[Seeker100]

Praise the Lord! Indeed!

Firend, not only do informed, practicing Catholics “have the life” we friend also have “The Way, the Truth and the Life” Jesus Chrsit Himself, not simply in our Churches, and not only in our minds and hearts, but in our very bodies.

It has been wisely stated that one becomes what one eats. Catholic through the Sacred Liturgy of The Mass, and special graces and gifts from God. make the Glorified Body [nevertheless the very same Jesus now in an unblodied Sacrifice, because Christ too can only die once] present to us in the ordinary form of Bread and Wine, but what mysteruiously, miracously and lovingly are transformed in the very Body, Blood, Soul and Divinety of Jesus Himself.

We know that God is a God of unlimited power and unlimited Love. In Eucharist these two natures of God are made manifest, “FULL of GRACES” for our Spiritual assiatance.

Indeed let us praise and thank Almighty God. Amen!

I believe you totally about Catholics having Christ. I agree with you. I too however have Christ in my body.

 

[StrawberryJam]

yes, it is. you are right. so, how come you are disobedient to God by rejecting the Church (CC) He left as an authority to teach all men His Truth?

How come you are being disobedient to God?

you have created your own god.
please dont blasphemy against God by telling others that our God contradicts Himself.

Leveling a charge of blasphemy like this, to a christian is absolutely astonishing.
On what basis do you carry on like this?

 

[Seeker100]

That sounds like quite a rigid statement, Seeker.

It seems as though YOU have determined when it’s okay to be loosey-goosey with doctrine, but then when a doctrine that you hold rigidly is contradicted, then you proclaim that one cannot disagree…big yikes!

Yes this is a ridgid statement. The serving and obeying of God cannot be compromised. The form of serving and worshipping God can be very varied and even contradictory however there is only one God and only one God can be served and obeyed. One cannot have two masters.

 

[Seeker100]

Thanks for the clairification:thumbsup:

Your reply shows great thought and spiritual maturity. However I must disagree that ones “Denominations does not matter.” This is a very improper understanding of the Divine Nature of God.

God is by God’s very Nature far more a Benolevent Dictator than He is ONLY a loving, caring, forgiving everyone for everything, everytime kind of God.

God’s Nature encompasses a great many wonderful attributes and because He is ALL - Loving, caring, forgiving, merciful its easy to gloss over that God is [and must be] all Just and completely and perfectely fair in His judgements.

Titus 1: 16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed

*2 Tim. 4: 14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will requite him for his deeds. *

*i Pet. 1: 17 And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile. *

One must always be in search of the single truth. Faith is a gift, *Rom. 10: 17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ. *

We are obligated to be associated in with and through Christ, in the manner and form that He Himself set up. And that friend in trhough His Catholic Church. To assume some ungiven right to be able to serve God is a way that pleases us, is very close to denying the Divine Diety Himself. Doctrine, and Dogma do matter to the salvation of souls. If they did not, why bother with seeing up His church? Wht bother with the Sacraments, why bother with the Commandments.

Yes it is about personal choices, BUT personal choices that AGREE with what God wants, what God demands and what God teaches through the Bible [the entire bible.]

May God continue to bless you! And you are right… LOVE is the answer

Thank you for your reply. The Kingdom of God is in the heart. Thus one could attend a church of Satan (and many do) but still be right with God as they serve God and love their fellow man.

 

[oriana251]

I didn’t mean that Catholics should adhere to every single so called church out there. I meant that maybe if they tried to be a bit more inclusive, there could be some serious strides made toward some meaningful dialogue especially with most Anglicans (not Episcopalians).

That’s why we have ecumenism. Right? :nun2:

 

[Seeker100]

Peter was the arch perfect first Pope, because he showed his humanness, even his sinfulness. Peter also showed sincere sorrow for what he had done, demonistrated humilty in being publicly asked THREE TIMES: “Peter do you love Me? feed my sheep, feed my lambs, feed my sheep.” God forgives or what furture would any of us have?

Jesus does not pick [except Mary His Mother] perfect people, rather Jesus desires people who desire to “be holy as I am holy”; be “perfect even as the Father is perfect.” God wants humble, open minded, loving, OBEDIENT people.

Love and prayers,

Peter made errors all through his life. Leaders of all denominations make errors all through their lives. They change and mature in time as all people. We can get lots of wisdom from church leaders however I feel it is very dangerous to say that they are always correct. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. They are people like you and I. (Mary too)

 

[jmcrae]

Peter made errors all through his life.

That’s a heck of a statement. Are you sure? He wrote two books of the Bible; do you think he made any errors in those?

 

[StrawberryJam]

Thank you for your reply. The Kingdom of God is in the heart. Thus one could attend a church of Satan (and many do) but still be right with God as they serve God and love their fellow man.

That’s the first time I ever heard a protestant say that.

 

[Seeker100]

That’s a heck of a statement. Are you sure? He wrote two books of the Bible; do you think he made any errors in those?

I believe the doctrine of Jesus that he wrote in his letters. I also believe his life and death were a testimony to the Truth and the incredible thiings that he witnessed. Still however he was a human. Because of that he made many mistakes as we all do. If an honest man tells me of an event that he saw, I believe him, but just because he is honest does not mean that he never makes and type of moral or intellectual mistakes.

If your faith is based on men then of course you want them to be perfect in every way as your faith is based on them. If your faith is in God then the witnesses of God can be imperfect without trouble to your stability.

 

[StrawberryJam]

That’s a heck of a statement. Are you sure? He wrote two books of the Bible; do you think he made any errors in those?

Well, it is said by christians that the books in the bible are inspired by the Holy Spirit. So, did the writers actually write the words on their own?

I happen to like how Peter seemed the most human of them all though. I don’t see his human frailty as “making errors” as was stated by another poster. Because if Peter made errors, they would have to be uncorrected ones. No one is God but God, who christians give the attributes of a God who is unable to err.

 

[Seeker100]

That’s the first time I ever heard a protestant say that.

Relax. I am not saying that Protestant churches are of Satan. I believe the many Protestant churches are the work of God in reaching man. There are some Protestant doctrines and denominations however that I find very evil and thus satanic, however that being said I have met some of the most Godly people from these churches. In fact in my mind the most Godly person I ever met came from one of these churches. As a result I would never dare question him on his doctrine. That is between he and God. All I know is this person I know certainly gives Jesus to everyone.

 

[jmcrae]

Well, it is said by christians that the books in the bible are inspired by the Holy Spirit. So, did the writers actually write the words on their own?

In the sense that they weren’t going into a trance and doing “automatic writing” yes, they were writing on their own. Their writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit in the same sense that an artist is inspired by a beautiful woman or a beautiful landscape. When the artist creates something that is just as beautiful as the woman or the landscape in response, then we describe him as an “inspired” artist.

In that the writers of the Scriptures reflected the beauty and truth of God in their writings, we say that they are inspired of God. It doesn’t mean that they had some kind of supernatural powers, or that they were being possessed in some way. They knew and understood what they were writing. There was no sort “Oh, look what I wrote - I didn’t even know that I knew that.” No. They knew exactly what they were saying, and what they were writing. There was nothing accidental or mysterious going on.

I happen to like how Peter seemed the most human of them all though. I don’t see his human frailty as “making errors” as was stated by another poster. Because if Peter made errors, they would have to be uncorrected ones. No one is God but God, who christians give the attributes of a God who is unable to err.

Right, I agree with you. Sometimes we “humanize” the Apostles to the point that they seem dumber than someone’s bachelor brother, and then we make the mistake of thinking that we could be smarter than them.

In reality, they were superior human beings, by God’s grace (and not by their own efforts) - if they were alive today, you wouldn’t be having a beer with them in the pub; you would be listening to them preach in the Cathedral, and theologians would be hanging on their every word. Not that they wouldn’t also like a beer from time to time, but it wouldn’t be their major preoccupation. They were great men, and recognized as such in their own day.

 

[PJM]

=Seeker100;5708365]You say I have created my own God. This is not true. The church often has wisdom but is not my authority. The church is not my God. My denomination is not my God. Jesus is my God.

Friend, if this were really true, and IF you really believed Jesus IS LORD you’d be a Catholic like us