Protestants: How Can You Not Be Catholic, After Viewing a Catholic Mass?

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I have spent a number of hours praying alone in a Catholic Church, where indeed God seems to be in a special way. I have seen some devout Catholics. I have seen many more devout Protestants.

But that is not why one should or should not become Catholic. It should not be on the basis of one emotional experience at a Mass, or a comparison of the quality between services. It should be on the basis of a careful evaluation of the competing claims of the belief systems, and an evaluation of the fruit in the lives of the people one sees, as far as one can see.
I would go even one step further. It should be on the basis of a careful evaluation of the competing claims of the belief systems, and that’s it. We could spend all day discussing the piety of Catholics and Protestants, but that would be fruitless because each side has its share of nominal followers.
 
Umm yes.

Think of that. We actually have men of God that are serious about the Word of God.👍
Don’t forget John Piper. He has more of a pastoral bent than the others, but he is excellent, especially on his material on justification by faith.
 
I just wondered after Protestants see the Holiness at a Catholic Mass, since Jesus was Holy, why not be Catholic? I have heard many conversions after attending church services, and even one convert who was Jewish (Edith Stein), who walked into a church, felt the Holiness of the people praying and knew where her calling would lie.
That’s like asking Catholics why they don’t believe in the Gospel of Christ after hearing Billy Graham preach. :hmmm:
 
What would you think of this question:

Catholics, how can you not be Orthodox after viewing the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom?
 
This may be the case. I knew one family as a child where this was definitely the case.

However, your claim is that you are a superior faith in relationship to us. From any faith that claims to be “superior” to us, I expect to see a “superior” outworking of this faith from Monday to Saturday. Otherwise I will conclude that you are just as messed up as we are and I will stay where I am thank you very much.

This is true.

Actually, they are welcome in our church. You just can’t serve in leadership. I heard a great message a while back about belonging before believing and how a church should be welcoming to sinners.

But isn’t it a mortal sin for any Catholic who is living in sin and doesn’t go to confession to take communion?
I would disagree with you here, although I realize that things might have changed in the five years that I’ve been Catholic and out of membership in an evangelical Protestant church.

My husband and I grew up in evangelical churches. I was Conference Baptist, and he was Assemblies of God. Both of our churches were (and still are) large churches, over 500 people in my church, and several thousand in his AG church.

After we married, we attended a Christian church (non-denom) for a few years, a Southern Baptist church for a few years, and then settled into a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church for ten years. (Church changes due to moves.)

Then we moved again, and attended another C and MA church, a plant that failed. Two years in the Conference Baptist church, two years in the Reformed Church of America, and seven years in the EFree church. (Church changes due to conflicts in the churches that alienated us.)

My point is that I have had a lot of experience with different evangelical Protestant churches. I realize that I still have only a small sample size to work with, and that a lot of the evangelical non-denoms vary greatly in their practices.

In my experiences, a person who practiced a sin was theoretically welcome at church, but in practice, not welcome at all. Hoo, boy, no.

It was OK–kind of–for the blatant sinner to come to a worship service. But as you know, the worship service is only a very small part of life in an evangelical church. There are a lot of evangelicals who never make it to worship service because they’re so involved in other ministries in the church! (I was one of those people!)

Evangelicals generally spend a great deal of their free time in various ministries within their church–Bible studies, committees, trustees, deacons and deaconnesses, club and other children’s ministries, youth ministry, evangelism, prison ministry, church charitable ministries, grounds care, etc.

In addition, when evangelicals socialize, they generally socialize with each other, not with non-evangelicals or…non-Christians. Yes, they SAY they have non-Christian friends, but they also try not to contaminate themselves with “worldly assocations.”

The person who practices sin is excluded from all the ministries and activities. No, no one comes out and says, “Sinner, go home.” But the person is shunned, or treated like a leper. It can be very subtle, but it’s obvious to the pariah.

When I say “blatant sin” BTW, I’m talking about visible sins like shacking up, affairs, questionable business practices, drinking (more in the past than this decade), partying, smoking (up North, that is–this is OK in the South), drugs, etc. Generally the addictive sins. Gluttony is OK, as long as the person is struggling with it. If the person is a joyous glutton who doesn’t seem to recognize that they are sinning, they may find themselves shunned.

When I was Protestant, I realized that many of these people eventually left our churches and didn’t come back. When I tried to make contact with these people, I discovered that many of them were so bitter over their treatment in the church that they didn’t attend church anymore and were not interested in associating with anyone who was in the church. Many of them kept their faith in God, but some of them even lost that.

This bothered me immensely. The evangelical teaching, as you know, is that anyone who practices sin and rejects God (church) was NEVER really a Christian to begin with. Well, this was frightening to me, because many of the people that I knew who departed from our midst had ACTED like fantastic Christians, more involved with ministries than me! It terrified to think that these people, some of whom I had trusted my children with, were never really Christians to begin with!

In fact, this is one of the major reasons why I believe that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus established. I believe in what the Bible says, that when we do sin, we have an Advocate, and we can be forgiven (See Apostles Creed) for our sins and restored to fellowship, even if we sin seventy X seven, or lots in modern translation. I believe in the doctrine of "State of Grace. I believe that yes, sins do vary in their seriousness. I actually heard evangelical preachers say that stealing a pencil from work was just as serious as raping and killing a little girl. That’s monstrous and it isn’t Biblical–the Bible talks about different kinds and levels of sin.
 
I just wondered after Protestants see the Holiness at a Catholic Mass, since Jesus was Holy, why not be Catholic? I have heard many conversions after attending church services, and even one convert who was Jewish (Edith Stein), who walked into a church, felt the Holiness of the people praying and knew where her calling would lie.
The Mass and the Divine Liturgy are beautiful expressions of worship. I particularly enjoy the Divine Liturgy because they always have incense and the Mass only sometimes has incense. I’m an incense guy, what can I say? (May our prayers arise as incense and the lifting up of our hands as an evening sacrifice)

I can be at home at the Mass as well as what some here call a Christian Rock Concert. There is place for all elements of worship styles for me. God calls and speaks to people as individuals and as communities both. Sometimes we need quietude and solidarity and sometimes we need the enthusiasm of a group.

The Mass, no matter how Holy and beautiful it is should be judged in my opinion on the fruit it bears. How holy and reverent are the parishioners after they leave?

Whatever are your experiences in the parking lot immediately after Mass - that’s the effect of the Mass.
 
I would disagree with you here, although I realize that things might have changed in the five years that I’ve been Catholic and out of membership in an evangelical Protestant church.

My husband and I grew up in evangelical churches. I was Conference Baptist, and he was Assemblies of God. Both of our churches were (and still are) large churches, over 500 people in my church, and several thousand in his AG church.

After we married, we attended a Christian church (non-denom) for a few years, a Southern Baptist church for a few years, and then settled into a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church for ten years. (Church changes due to moves.)

Then we moved again, and attended another C and MA church, a plant that failed. Two years in the Conference Baptist church, two years in the Reformed Church of America, and seven years in the EFree church. (Church changes due to conflicts in the churches that alienated us.)

My point is that I have had a lot of experience with different evangelical Protestant churches. I realize that I still have only a small sample size to work with, and that a lot of the evangelical non-denoms vary greatly in their practices.

In my experiences, a person who practiced a sin was theoretically welcome at church, but in practice, not welcome at all. Hoo, boy, no.

It was OK–kind of–for the blatant sinner to come to a worship service. But as you know, the worship service is only a very small part of life in an evangelical church. There are a lot of evangelicals who never make it to worship service because they’re so involved in other ministries in the church! (I was one of those people!)

Evangelicals generally spend a great deal of their free time in various ministries within their church–Bible studies, committees, trustees, deacons and deaconnesses, club and other children’s ministries, youth ministry, evangelism, prison ministry, church charitable ministries, grounds care, etc.

In addition, when evangelicals socialize, they generally socialize with each other, not with non-evangelicals or…non-Christians. Yes, they SAY they have non-Christian friends, but they also try not to contaminate themselves with “worldly assocations.”

The person who practices sin is excluded from all the ministries and activities. No, no one comes out and says, “Sinner, go home.” But the person is shunned, or treated like a leper. It can be very subtle, but it’s obvious to the pariah.

When I say “blatant sin” BTW, I’m talking about visible sins like shacking up, affairs, questionable business practices, drinking (more in the past than this decade), partying, smoking (up North, that is–this is OK in the South), drugs, etc. Generally the addictive sins. Gluttony is OK, as long as the person is struggling with it. If the person is a joyous glutton who doesn’t seem to recognize that they are sinning, they may find themselves shunned.

When I was Protestant, I realized that many of these people eventually left our churches and didn’t come back. When I tried to make contact with these people, I discovered that many of them were so bitter over their treatment in the church that they didn’t attend church anymore and were not interested in associating with anyone who was in the church. Many of them kept their faith in God, but some of them even lost that.

This bothered me immensely. The evangelical teaching, as you know, is that anyone who practices sin and rejects God (church) was NEVER really a Christian to begin with. Well, this was frightening to me, because many of the people that I knew who departed from our midst had ACTED like fantastic Christians, more involved with ministries than me! It terrified to think that these people, some of whom I had trusted my children with, were never really Christians to begin with!

In fact, this is one of the major reasons why I believe that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus established. I believe in what the Bible says, that when we do sin, we have an Advocate, and we can be forgiven (See Apostles Creed) for our sins and restored to fellowship, even if we sin seventy X seven, or lots in modern translation. I believe in the doctrine of "State of Grace. I believe that yes, sins do vary in their seriousness. I actually heard evangelical preachers say that stealing a pencil from work was just as serious as raping and killing a little girl. That’s monstrous and it isn’t Biblical–the Bible talks about different kinds and levels of sin.
My previous church (in a different location) was as you described. Not my current church.

Two weeks ago I was at fine arts festival of Assembly of God (a youth thing) in Orlando with our church teen youth band and other musicians from our church. Being one of the youth band adult leaders, I attended. The fine arts festival runs concurrently with General Council. This is where all the bigwigs from Assemblies of God meet and do all of their business stuff that would put somebody like me to sleep.

In evenings there were worship services. One night there was joint worship service between the bigwigs and the kids that had a great message preached by a black inner-city pastor where he kept reiterating the phrase belonging before believing where he totally blew away the mentality that you described. It was awesome.
 
Just to address some of the interesting theological points here
This bothered me immensely. The evangelical teaching, as you know, is that anyone who practices sin and rejects God (church) was NEVER really a Christian to begin with.
I have heard this from Calvinist churches. I have well some doubts on this myself.
I believe in what the Bible says, that when we do sin, we have an Advocate, and we can be forgiven (See Apostles Creed) for our sins and restored to fellowship, even if we sin seventy X seven, or lots in modern translation.
I believe this myself.
I believe in the doctrine of "State of Grace.
Not sure what this is…but sounds good.
I believe that yes, sins do vary in their seriousness. I actually heard evangelical preachers say that stealing a pencil from work was just as serious as raping and killing a little girl. That’s monstrous and it isn’t Biblical–the Bible talks about different kinds and levels of sin.
Depends what he means. He might mean that maybe the good person but without Christ who all he ever did was steal pencils from work is just as much of a sinner in need of a in need of a Savior as the murderer on death row. Like an answer when somebody responds to the gospel of Jesus Christ “Well I am a good person. I am not an axe-murderer”.

However in other senses this is absurd.

However having two classifications of sin with sin arbitrarily shoved in one classification or the other is almost equally problematic for a number of reasons that I care not to get into now. And then you have the problem of God sending Christians to hell because they did a sin that was classified in the most severe of the two classifications and then they die before they get it right with God. If I were Catholic, this would drive me absolutely insane.
 
The Mass and the Divine Liturgy are beautiful expressions of worship. I particularly enjoy the Divine Liturgy because they always have incense and the Mass only sometimes has incense. I’m an incense guy, what can I say? (May our prayers arise as incense and the lifting up of our hands as an evening sacrifice)

I can be at home at the Mass as well as what some here call a Christian Rock Concert. There is place for all elements of worship styles for me. God calls and speaks to people as individuals and as communities both. Sometimes we need quietude and solidarity and sometimes we need the enthusiasm of a group.

The Mass, no matter how Holy and beautiful it is should be judged in my opinion on the fruit it bears. How holy and reverent are the parishioners after they leave?

Whatever are your experiences in the parking lot immediately after Mass - that’s the effect of the Mass.
I honestly don’t know that this is a realistic expectation–in the parking lot?! There are hundreds of people who attend Mass (and other Christian worship experiences). Unless you personally know all of them, and unless you are able to accurately assess the state of their soul, then you cannot say that there is no fruit.

Fuit takes time to mature and ripen.

Everyone is at a different place. At every Mass, some people will be touched by the Holy Spirit in a life-changing way. They will stop a certain sin cold, or make a commitment to a ministry, or change their whole demeanor, or decide to give a larger portion to the poor, or become people of constant and fervent prayer. You’ll definitely see or hear about this “fruit.”

Most others will be touched in a more subtle way. Perhaps in their heart they’ll make a decision to pray more, or read a chapter of the Bible, or call their friend whom they haven’t spoken to in months or try once again to stop smoking. You won’t see this “fruit,” but it’s there nonetheless.

I think most of us are in this boat–we try, we fail, we try again, we fail again, but we keep on trying. Perhaps you are seeing us only during the many failures. But try to see us trying to be in God’s will, instead of condemning us for slipping out of God’s will.

Many will not be touched at all, at least on the surface. But a seed has been planted–the Lord promised that his Word would not return void. Something is changing in the person, and the Holy Spirit will continue to work quietly but determinedly in the person’s heart and soul to eventually bring about change and Christ-likeness. I think this is the case especially with children and teenagers. Mass seems to bounce right off them, but the Holy Spirit IS at work, and one day, they will come to a mature understanding of their commitment to Jesus Christ.

And there will be those who utterly reject the Word of God and walk away with nothing, absolutely nothing. The Holy Spirit is quenched and stifled. Jesus talked about these people in His parable of the soils. Perhaps you are meeting a lot of these people and this is coloring your opinion about the efficacy of Mass.

You and I can’t possibly see what is happening in each heart, and how the Holy Spirit is working, except in the dramatic cases where there is immediate dramatic change. And again, unless you know everyone in the Mass, you will miss a lot of these dramatic changes, but their families and friends sure notice and rejoice!

To question the work and timing of the Holy Spirit is wrong. You must trust that the Holy Spirit is doing His work in the hearts of those who have chosen to follow Jesus, even if you can’t perceive it.

I would propose that you try to see less by sight and more by faith. When God says that His Word will not return void, He means it and He will bring it to pass, but not necessarily according to our timing. It’s frustrating, yes, as we want people to be Christ-like right NOW, not in fifty years, or in heaven. But God is at work, oh, yes.

In case you’re wondering, I believe that whenever the Word of God is read, including at Protestant worship services, the Holy Spirit will work. I don’t believe Mass is the only place where God works in human hearts.
 
Just to address some of the interesting theological points here

I have heard this from Calvinist churches. I have well some doubts on this myself.

I believe this myself.

Not sure what this is…but sounds good.

Depends what he means. He might mean that maybe the good person but without Christ who all he ever did was steal pencils from work is just as much of a sinner in need of a in need of a Savior as the murderer on death row. Like an answer when somebody responds to the gospel of Jesus Christ “Well I am a good person. I am not an axe-murderer”.

However in other senses this is absurd.

However having two classifications of sin with sin arbitrarily shoved in one classification or the other is almost equally problematic for a number of reasons that I care not to get into now. And then you have the problem of God sending Christians to hell because they did a sin that was classified in the most severe of the two classifications and then they die before they get it right with God. If I were Catholic, this would drive me absolutely insane.
Boldface mine–I think you might want to study a little more. This is a rather skewed version of the doctrine of Mortal Sin, and must be balanced with the doctrine of God’s great mercy.

We as humans do not have the right to determine who has gone to hell. We must trust that God will make the correct decision about every human soul.
 
I honestly don’t know that this is a realistic expectation–in the parking lot?! There are hundreds of people who attend Mass (and other Christian worship experiences). Unless you personally know all of them, and unless you are able to accurately assess the state of their soul, then you cannot say that there is no fruit.

Fuit takes time to mature and ripen.

Everyone is at a different place. At every Mass, some people will be touched by the Holy Spirit in a life-changing way. They will stop a certain sin cold, or make a commitment to a ministry, or change their whole demeanor, or decide to give a larger portion to the poor, or become people of constant and fervent prayer. You’ll definitely see or hear about this “fruit.”

Most others will be touched in a more subtle way. Perhaps in their heart they’ll make a decision to pray more, or read a chapter of the Bible, or call their friend whom they haven’t spoken to in months or try once again to stop smoking. You won’t see this “fruit,” but it’s there nonetheless.

I think most of us are in this boat–we try, we fail, we try again, we fail again, but we keep on trying. Perhaps you are seeing us only during the many failures. But try to see us trying to be in God’s will, instead of condemning us for slipping out of God’s will.

Many will not be touched at all, at least on the surface. But a seed has been planted–the Lord promised that his Word would not return void. Something is changing in the person, and the Holy Spirit will continue to work quietly but determinedly in the person’s heart and soul to eventually bring about change and Christ-likeness. I think this is the case especially with children and teenagers. Mass seems to bounce right off them, but the Holy Spirit IS at work, and one day, they will come to a mature understanding of their commitment to Jesus Christ.

And there will be those who utterly reject the Word of God and walk away with nothing, absolutely nothing. The Holy Spirit is quenched and stifled. Jesus talked about these people in His parable of the soils. Perhaps you are meeting a lot of these people and this is coloring your opinion about the efficacy of Mass.

You and I can’t possibly see what is happening in each heart, and how the Holy Spirit is working, except in the dramatic cases where there is immediate dramatic change. And again, unless you know everyone in the Mass, you will miss a lot of these dramatic changes, but their families and friends sure notice and rejoice!

To question the work and timing of the Holy Spirit is wrong. You must trust that the Holy Spirit is doing His work in the hearts of those who have chosen to follow Jesus, even if you can’t perceive it.

I would propose that you try to see less by sight and more by faith. When God says that His Word will not return void, He means it and He will bring it to pass, but not necessarily according to our timing. It’s frustrating, yes, as we want people to be Christ-like right NOW, not in fifty years, or in heaven. But God is at work, oh, yes.

In case you’re wondering, I believe that whenever the Word of God is read, including at Protestant worship services, the Holy Spirit will work. I don’t believe Mass is the only place where God works in human hearts.
I see you both came from large, bordering on mega churches. Many seem to see mega as interchangable with “evangelical”. My first pastor held that the most important ministry of a church was the parking lot attendents. They are the first and last chance to show love to visitors.

As a fellow church musician let me say small churches also don’t have great music. We don’t have hired guns and the money to put out the professional product that say Osteen’s Lakewood Church with The New Breed as a house praise and worship team can.
When I went through school we still had musical or visual arts for Junior high students today that has been stripped away in favor of time to do 3 R’s for standard tesr prep. Musicians, most untrained don’t have rewhersal time for more then a glorified jam session as they prepare to lead their churches. It is a matter of hear the recording a of a pro praise leader and try to replicate it after an hour rehersal.
 
Boldface mine–I think you might want to study a little more. This is a rather skewed version of the doctrine of Mortal Sin, and must be balanced with the doctrine of God’s great mercy.

We as humans do not have the right to determine who has gone to hell. We must trust that God will make the correct decision about every human soul.
Hmm…I got that distinct impression from Catholics. Can’t remember where though.

Maybe if I have time I will search through threads here to see if the issue is addressed.
 
I just wondered after Protestants see the Holiness at a Catholic Mass, since Jesus was Holy, why not be Catholic? I have heard many conversions after attending church services, and even one convert who was Jewish (Edith Stein), who walked into a church, felt the Holiness of the people praying and knew where her calling would lie.
I could understand not becoming Catholic but I really feel for the folks who couldn’t be moved by the Byzantine liturgy. That’s a pharaoh’s heart, right there.
 
Very interesting thread…

My first reaction is that evangelicals, like Roman Catholics, are individuals - as are our churches. It’s hard to generalize. But as a Wesleyan (theologically), I am very comfortable at a Catholic Mass. I see Jesus very clearly in the Mass. However I have also seen Jesus in Pentecostal services, Baptist services, and non-denominational services.

For me, a better question is how in the world can someone sit through Mass and think that the Catholic is not a christian church? I see the Gospel very clearly in the mass. The only reason I do not receive the elements is out of respect for my Catholic brothers and sisters. I definitely meet Jesus in the Mass. I also meet Him when I celebrate Holy Communion.

I am currently retired/disabled and we are attending an independent church (with my Superintendent’s blessing) where I help out as much as I am able. You might be surprised to learn that we recite the Lord’s Prayer every service. We recite the Apostle’s Creed every communion service.

My denomination and my current church both practice “open communion”. Any believer in Christ is welcome at the table. We also welcome SINCERE seekers. I make it clear that they must respect the presence of Christ (yes, I believe that He is really present in the elements - no, I do not understand exactly how and I do not think we need to understand exactly how). I have seen people come to faith in Christ during Holy Communion - so someone coming to faith during Mass makes total sense to me.

Well, I have now taken my usual position here - right in the middle, ready to be shot at by both sides 🙂

Grace and Peace,

Pastor Vince
 
Boldface mine–I think you might want to study a little more. This is a rather skewed version of the doctrine of Mortal Sin, and must be balanced with the doctrine of God’s great mercy.
I started a separate thread on this topic. If my understanding is incorrect, please correct it.

However, I did do a search on past threads in this forum and from that search I might conclude that my understanding is correct.
 
I just wondered after Protestants see the Holiness at a Catholic Mass, since Jesus was Holy, why not be Catholic? I have heard many conversions after attending church services, and even one convert who was Jewish (Edith Stein), who walked into a church, felt the Holiness of the people praying and knew where her calling would lie.

Try attending a Byzantine Liturgy. Some years ago, I was at a BL, & the time flew by:I’d been there (standing all the time) for three hours, without even realising it. No Mass I’ve been to is comparable to that, whether using the 1962 Missal or the revised Missal.​

Or try an Anglican service - there is holiness there as well. What attractions one feels in religion depends very much on what one is used to, or receptive to, & on what sort of person one is, & on one’s stand-point. Protestantism is probably the right religion for a lot of people, & Catholicism the right one for others; and so on. If people leave the religion that is right for them, that could well make atheists of them rather than better Christians. 😦 I still miss Anglicanism after all these years, & a lot of people will feel the same about the Protestantisms to which they were used. It’s a very serious matter indeed to expect someone to change religious affiliation, & IMHO it is treated much too lightly.
 
The Mass, no matter how Holy and beautiful it is should be judged in my opinion on the fruit it bears. How holy and reverent are the parishioners after they leave?

Whatever are your experiences in the parking lot immediately after Mass - that’s the effect of the Mass.
For me, leaving mass, I would usually feel sad and tired. I went with my wife to mass at her church for several years; partly to share in the experience of something that was important to her, partly because I had promised her to try to keep myself open to the idea of converting to Catholicism myself.

Eventually, I realized that going to mass didn’t draw me into the Church; it pushed me away. The more I went, the less likely it was for me to ever consider becoming Catholic myself. Because I recognized that I was working against my promise to my wife by going with her to mass, I stopped going.
 
What would you think of this question:

Catholics, how can you not be Orthodox after viewing the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom?

Been there, been impressed - vastly - but…don’t know the answer. 🙂 When there I remembered the saying attributed to the messengers of Vladimir of Kiev after attending a Liturgy in Constantinople, that they had not known whether they were on earth or in heaven. It is very amazing. But some things are more important. Which is where Protestantism is preferable to Orthodoxy and Catholicism: to the “liturgical” Christianities - it stresses the interior dispositions of the worshipper very strongly, & is not liable to imagine that ungodliness in the worshipper’s heart can be made good by external splendour. It doesn’t divorce ethics from belief - some US versions may do so, but not the older Protestantisms.​

I for one could never be Orthodox - it’s too much like Catholicism; too argumentative & self-assertive; so why change ? Protestantism is preferable to either 🙂

It’s an excellent question though. Anyone who “popes” after one or two Masses was probably on the brink of poping anyway.
 
Don’t forget John Piper. He has more of a pastoral bent than the others, but he is excellent, especially on his material on justification by faith.
He’s having quite a conversation with NT Wright on justification. I’m reading Wright’s book now, and he’s really harsh on Piper’s views. Is this the same Piper who is pushing the
“true woman” movement? Just wondering.
 
Perhaps I should not post, in that I am a fairly high church Episcopalian, and not all that Protestant in my thinking.

I am as sure as I could ever be of the presence of Christ in the Eucharist during the quiet celebration of the Eucharist using the 1928 Book of Common Prayer as I could be at any Roman mass. I remember standing by the altar one Sunday, and as the priest consecrated the elements, I knew Christ to be present. I knew He was there. It was an unusually moving experience, the presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Despite all what some Catholics say, I believe Christ is Really Present in our Eucharistic feast.

And I invite you to experience the fullness of Anglican faith, well at least as full as what you have. Plus we sing! (just never at the 8:00 service).

:blushing:
 
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