Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

[Ginger2]

One of the reasons Catholics get no where trying to persuade Protestants is because of these gross exaggerations and multiple distortion of history.

If we can’t trust you to accurately portray the facts and continually catch you distorting history, why we take your word on anything?

The truth can stand on its own. It doesn’t need the help of fables.

Ginger

 

[Hisalone]

Forgive me if I am percieved of setting up a straw man. You are correct the scriptures do not belong to the Roman Catholic church. The Roman Catholic church was commisioned by Jesus Christ to give the scriptures to you, me and all the world.

As my previous post indicates in agreement with you again, We give all the praise and thanksgiving to God who gave us his revealed Word through Jesus. We dont need to give thanks to the instrument (tool) God used in the Roman Catholic church to bring us God’s infallible Word, God alone deserves our thanks and praise “Amen”.

Gabriel I agree with you:thumbsup:
If I prayed for a blind man and his sight was restored what would you think if rather than give God the glory I emphasized the instrument God used and made a big deal about myself?
Pardon me but that is what I see when I see some Catholics puff out their chests and say that it is because of the Catholic Church we have the bible.
Say what?

 

[Hisalone]

What God didn’t do was decend from heaven and piece it together Himself.
God used his instrument on earth - the Catholic Church - to compile and declare the biblical canon.

I know you have a problem with that, so let’s hear it your logic.

Elvis let me use the same illustration with you.
If I prayed for a blind man and his sight was restored what would you think if instead of giving God the glory I said if it wasnt for me the blind man would never have regained his sight?

 

[Hisalone]

Ginger, I think you missed one read 2 peter 3;16 and acts 8;31 or two, my math is a little off…Have a good day==== a little question why do you think we have over 31,000 non-cathloic church in the world today all beieving the bible and all teaching a diff gosple

Bill I have never seen a source for the 31,000 figure, do you have one?

 

[Bill_Pick]

One of the reasons Catholics get no where trying to persuade Protestants is because of these gross exaggerations and multiple distortion of history.

Ginger I remember from you post about the # of books in the bible and I do know how hard history is for. so you go girle… I.l try to find the reason I said 31,000 I think I have it bookmark,have a good day.
BTW
Ginger the gross exaggerations are only in your mind

 

[rinnie]

Seeing how you have erroniously interpreted 2 Peter 1:20 if I were you Id be concerned with how your own faulty interpretation.

Actually No, that is what the Church teaches. And the Church has authority given to it by God. The Church has apostolic succession, with that apostolic succession was given the gift of the Holy Spirit. And by that gift of the Holy Spirit the authority to define scripture.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Bill I have never seen a source for the 31,000 figure, do you have one?

YES and I,m looking for it now,I,l get back to you

 

[elvisman]

Elvis let me use the same illustration with you.
If I prayed for a blind man and his sight was restored what would you think if instead of giving God the glory I said if it wasnt for me the blind man would never have regained his sight?

Apples and oranges, Hisalone.
I’m talking about something tangible - the WRITTEN word. Go used His Church to write, compile and declare the canon of Scripture.

**I love where you’re going, though, because we Catholics believe in Sola Dei Verbum - the Word of God alone which is not encompassed solely in what is written. **
You just might just be more Catholic than you think . . .

 

[Ginger2]

Ginger …l try to find the reason I said 31,000 I think I have it bookmark,have a good day.

I think you have missed the point.

The original source stated the are 22,000 denominations. The RC jumped to the conclusion this meant 22,000 Protestant denominations when in fact Catholic rites are included in this number as separate denominations.

I 'm sure you will state there is only one Catholic Church, not hundreds.

Direct splits from the Catholic church before and after Luther are also included in the total number.

If a group splits tomorrow from the Catholic Church, you cannot claim this is a problem with Protestanism.

Therefore, the source is false and does not support your opinions.

Ginger

 

[Bill_Pick]

I think you have missed the point.

The original source stated the are 22,000 denominations. The RC jumped to the conclusion this meant 22,000 Protestant denominations when in fact Catholic rites are included in this number as separate denominations.

I 'm sure you will state there is only one Catholic Church, not hundreds.

Direct splits from the Catholic church before and after Luther are also included in the total number.

If a group splits tomorrow from the Catholic Church, you cannot claim this is a problem with Protestanism.

Therefore, the source is false and does not support your opinions.

Ginger

Ginger You need to start telling the truth it said 33,000 denominations and yes the CC did a split in 1054 I think that date is right it may be 1051, - If a baptist church has a split does that they have a problem with Baptist,You are very good at putting words in people mouth,say bye

 

[Ginger2]

Ginger You need to start telling the truth it said 33,000 denominations …

Bill,

“You need to start telling the truth…” the original source said 22,000. There has never been any study done to up that number. **It is assumed **that over the course of time, the number must have increased.

It is pure speculation, based on false information.

The Polish National Catholic Church (a church in the US) did not break with any Protestant church. It split from the Latin Rite because it does of recognize the recent dogmas of an immaculate conception and bodily assumption of the Mother of God. But it celebrates the entry of the Mother of God into eternal life and solemnly observes the festival of her dormition.

Yet you would count this as a problem caused by Luther???

In 451, at the Church Council in the city of Chalcedon the Catholic Church split. The Churches in **Egypt, Syria, and Armenian **broke off and today exist as the Oriental Orthodox Churches. They were part of the Catholic church.

And so it has been right thru the reformation. Luther was a Catholic, and into the the 20th century with the formation of the Polish National Church

They were all part of the Roman Catholic Church and split.

Ginger

 

[Bill_Pick]

Bill,

“You need to start telling the truth…” the original source said 22,000. There has never been any study done to up that number. **It is assumed **that over the course of time, the number must have increased.

It is pure speculation, based on false information.

The Polish National Catholic Church (a church in the US) did not break with any Protestant church. It split from the Latin Rite because it does of recognize the recent dogmas of an immaculate conception and bodily assumption of the Mother of God. But it celebrates the entry of the Mother of God into eternal life and solemnly observes the festival of her dormition.

Yet you would count this as a problem caused by Luther???

In 451, at the Church Council in the city of Chalcedon the Catholic Church split. The Churches in **Egypt, Syria, and Armenian **broke off and today exist as the Oriental Orthodox Churches. They were part of the Catholic church.

And so it has been right thru the reformation. Luther was a Catholic, and into the the 20th century with the formation of the Polish National Church

They were all part of the Roman Catholic Church and split.

Ginger

So you must think the CC is the only church that had a split, the church is made up of people and like here do not always get along one split was because the King was not allow to marry some one,BTW you need to read all what your site has to say on denominations

 

[Ginger2]

…the church is made up of people and like here do not always get along,…

That is exactly the point.

BTW you need to read all what your site has to say on denominations

What site?

 

[Bill_Pick]

That is exactly the point.

What site?

The one you are quoting from try World christian encyopcition,sorry its not spell right but I think you know what I,m trying to spell

 

[Ginger2]

The one you are quoting from try World christian encyopcition,sorry its not spell right but I think you know what I,m trying to spell

I’m not quoting from a specific site, Bill. I found the Polish Catholic Church by doing a search awhile back. And I read from several sites on the 22,000 denominations.

If you look up the original source, I’m sure it says “denominations”. To a Catholic this means non-catholics as the RC recognizes all it’s rites as one church. But that is not the belief of the author.

But in one final attempt to get my point across, I will offer you this:

The first split from the Christian church is found in John 6:60 When many of his disciples heard this, they said, “This is a difficult statement. Who can accept it?”

Whether the split is from Protestant or Catholic or Jesus himself, there have always and will always be those who seek a religion that suits their own desires. It is not the fault of any church. It is a choice of each individual to either accept or deny Christ.

Now, here is the part where Catholics will be tempted to accuse Protestants of denying Christ, for not following with them.

to this I give you:

Luke 9:49-50 John said, “Master, we saw someone driving out demons in your name. We tried to stop him, because he wasn’t a follower like us.”
Jesus said to him, “Don’t stop him! Because whoever is not against you is for you.”

Bill, I am not against you.

Ginger

 

[Hisalone]

Apples and oranges, Hisalone.
I’m talking about something tangible - the WRITTEN word. Go used His Church to write, compile and declare the canon of Scripture.

I love where you’re going, though, because we Catholics believe in Sola Dei Verbum - the Word of God alone which is not encompassed solely in what is written.
You just might just be more Catholic than you think . . .

The gift of healing isnt tangible?
Have to disagree with you again it is not apple and oranges— same princiaple.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

The gift of healing isnt tangible?
Have to disagree with you again it is not apple and oranges— same princiaple.

Speaking of fruit, if you show a Protestant an apple, he’ll say it is a pear. Even though it is clearly an apple.

 

[elvisman]

The gift of healing isnt tangible?
Have to disagree with you again it is not apple and oranges— same princiaple.

Now, you’re playing games.

You were equating God’s healing power being used through a person here on earth and I was speaking about the Bible being written, compiled and declared canon by the Church.

I know it’s hard for many Protestants to accept this - but many other Protestant evangelists have accepted the fact that the Catholic Church was the one who compiled and declared the New Testament canon.

 

[elvisman]

I’m not quoting from a specific site, Bill. I found the Polish Catholic Church by doing a search awhile back. And I read from several sites on the 22,000 denominations.

If you look up the original source, I’m sure it says “denominations”. To a Catholic this means non-catholics as the RC recognizes all it’s rites as one church. But that is not the belief of the author.

But in one final attempt to get my point across, I will offer you this:

The first split from the Christian church is found in John 6:60 When many of his disciples heard this, they said, “This is a difficult statement. Who can accept it?”

Whether the split is from Protestant or Catholic or Jesus himself, there have always and will always be those who seek a religion that suits their own desires. It is not the fault of any church. It is a choice of each individual to either accept or deny Christ.

Now, here is the part where Catholics will be tempted to accuse Protestants of denying Christ, for not following with them.

to this I give you:

Luke 9:49-50 John said, “Master, we saw someone driving out demons in your name. We tried to stop him, because he wasn’t a follower like us.”
Jesus said to him, “Don’t stop him! Because whoever is not against you is for you.”

Bill, I am not against you.

Ginger

John 6:60 - it’s not about a split in the church. The Church hadn’t been born yet.
It’s really a foreshadowing of you and other Protestants like you who deny the Eucharist and other things the Lord taught that you find hard to accept.

As for Luke 9:49-50, don’t forget what Jesus also said in Matt. 7:21-23:

*"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. *
*Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ *
*Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. *
Depart from me, you evildoers.’

 

[Ginger2]

John 6:60 - it’s not about a split in the church. The Church hadn’t been born yet.

These were “disciples” of Jesus. They chose to stop following Jesus because they didn’t like what he taught.

It’s really a foreshadowing of you and other Protestants like you who deny the Eucharist and other things the Lord taught that you find hard to accept.

I don’t deny the Eucharist. I believe in the real-presence. This is just one more example of Catholics judging non-catholics based on false assumptions.

As for Luke 9:49-50, don’t forget what Jesus also said in Matt. 7:21-23

And don’t forget how that chapter begins, 1 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?