Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

[Bill_Pick]

May I?
The key to understanding is to read the entire passage as opposed to quoting a single vers:
2Pe 1:20 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
21** For the prophecy came** not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:20-21 is a statement that the Scriptures are the divinely inspired word of God - not simply the thoughts and ideas of men concerning God - but God’s word written down by men as God revealed it to them.

So the Holy Spirit is why we have over 31,000 non-cathloic denomination all believing or saying they are following the HP.,and yes I have read it three times and it is still telling us not to go by private interpreatationas ALL non-cathloic church do

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Tell that to the Jews who cared for the TaNaKh through the centuries-they were doing it long before there were any Catholics and didn’t claim to need an infallible Magisterium to do so.

Oh wait, you might not be on the best of speaking terms with the Jews at the moment. Sorry. I can see how that fact might have slipped your mind given the circumstances.

Even the Jews know that the bible was COMPILED in the year 397 at the Council of Carthage. Furthermore, tell me my friend what “circumstances” you see about my not being on good terms with these people. If this is so, I don’t lose sleep over it. Just because I speak my mind, you condemn me for it, but so wasn’t Christ condemned for his speaking out.

 

[Hisalone]

May I?
The key to understanding is to read the entire passage as opposed to quoting a single vers:
2Pe 1:20 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
21** For the prophecy came** not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:20-21 is a statement that the Scriptures are the divinely inspired word of God - not simply the thoughts and ideas of men concerning God - but God’s word written down by men as God revealed it to them.

Exactly, this verse refers to those that scribed the scriptures not those that read them.

 

[Hisalone]

So the Holy Spirit is why we have over 31,000 non-cathloic denomination all believing or saying they are following the HP.,and yes I have read it three times and it is still telling us not to go by private interpreatationas ALL non-cathloic church do

That is not what either the scripture or we are saying. When will you learn?

2 Peter 1:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)

20But (A)know this first of all, that (B)no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,

21for (C)no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men (D)moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

 

[Hisalone]

Even the Jews know that the bible was COMPILED in the year 397 at the Council of Carthage. Furthermore, tell me my friend what “circumstances” you see about my not being on good terms with these people. If this is so, I don’t lose sleep over it. Just because I speak my mind, you condemn me for it, but so wasn’t Christ condemned for his speaking out.

It was God who inspired Hiss word.
It is God who cimpiled His word into a cannon.
It is us His followers that **recieved **His word and all the inspired books.

 

[Non_Serviam]

Even the Jews know that the bible was COMPILED in the year 397 at the Council of Carthage. Furthermore, tell me my friend what “circumstances” you see about my not being on good terms with these people. If this is so, I don’t lose sleep over it. Just because I speak my mind, you condemn me for it, but so wasn’t Christ condemned for his speaking out.

The Jews were writing and teaching God’s word for centuries before there was ever someone who called himself Catholic. Don’t try and take credit for what they did-and don’t try to attach Christ’s name to your statements about them-both acts should arouse a deep sense of shame.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

There is only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church today that comes from the first century, and Holds to the Apostolic Traditions and Oral teachings including their writings. All others do not come on the seen over a thousand years later;

Here is Lukes Gospel Jesus has revealed to his Catholic church ALL the scriptures. Your not going to get the correct interpretation without Apostolic Tradition to support it not to mention living out the Apostolic teachings and Tradtions of Christianity in the Catholic church. So Jesus revealed the scriptures, why anyone else is competing with Jesus interpretations of the scriptures has a problem with “Authority”, this needs to be taken up with God, not his servants in the Catholic Magesterium who have protected these Apostolic teachings and interpretations 2000 years and counting unchanged.

Luke 24:27
Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them what referred to him in all the scriptures.

So the Op begs the question how do you know if your faith is interpreting the bible scriptures correctly, or without error? The Catholic church has an infallible teacher, and the protection of the Holy Spirit guaranteed by Jesus himself;

 

[josie_L]

The Jews were writing and teaching God’s word for centuries before there was ever someone who called himself Catholic. Don’t try and take credit for what they did-and don’t try to attach Christ’s name to your statements about them-both acts should arouse a deep sense of shame.

Are you saying then that it was the Jews who compiled the Bible and wrote the NT? I believe they would be astounded, to know this, but stranger things have been said on CAF. Good luck with your rewriting of history.

 

[Non_Serviam]

Are you saying then that it was the Jews who compiled the Bible and wrote the NT? I believe they would be astounded, to know this, but stranger things have been said on CAF. Good luck with your rewriting of history.

Are you saying that none of the Old Testament wasn’t inspired before some church council voiced an opinion on it? That’s absurd.

Jesus and the Apostles referred to the Old Testament as the Scriptures and the Word of God while they were doing the things that are written down in the NT. God had more to say at a later date, and it became the NT, but that doesn’t negate the role of the Jews in copying and preserving that which came first now does it?

That makes 2 Catholics on this thread who appear to deny the Jews had a role in preserving and transmitting Scripture-is the thought really that scary to you?

 

[Non_Serviam]

You can not get the mathematical ideas from the books alone. You receive the ideas of mathematics directly from math teachers. Read The Mathematical Experience by Paul Davies and Ruben Hersch.

Books do not interpret themselves. Jesus said to ask the Rabbis if you want to know what the scriptures mean, because they really do know what the scriptures mean…

Missed this one earlier-I agree that mathematical ideas are best learned from math teachers-tell me who is the infallible math teacher who ensures that mathematics remains pure and uncorrupted form error?

If you can’t point to an infallible math teacher, how do you have any certainty that 2+2=4?

Eagerly awaiting your response.

 

[josie_L]

Are you saying that none of the Old Testament wasn’t inspired before some church council voiced an opinion on it? That’s absurd.

Jesus and the Apostles referred to the Old Testament as the Scriptures and the Word of God while they were doing the things that are written down in the NT. God had more to say at a later date, and it became the NT, but that doesn’t negate the role of the Jews in copying and preserving that which came first now does it?

That makes 2 Catholics on this thread who appear to deny the Jews had a role in preserving and transmitting Scripture-is the thought really that scary to you?

What part of compiled the bible and wrote the NT did you not understand? Where did I mention the OT in my response to you? Either you choose to misinterpret what I write, or you are in dire need of a dictionary.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Are you saying that none of the Old Testament wasn’t inspired before some church council voiced an opinion on it? That’s absurd.

Jesus and the Apostles referred to the Old Testament as the Scriptures and the Word of God while they were doing the things that are written down in the NT. God had more to say at a later date, and it became the NT, but that doesn’t negate the role of the Jews in copying and preserving that which came first now does it?

That makes 2 Catholics on this thread who appear to deny the Jews had a role in preserving and transmitting Scripture-is the thought really that scary to you?

Gabriel of 12;
Are you aware of the Septuagint? and that the Jews do not accept the New Testament as inspired of God. Do you know who put the New Testament books of the bible together and canonized them as Inspired of God? Did you know the Catholic church came first before the New Testament was ever put together in the bible? And are you aware of Biblical Apostolic Oral Tradition came first before the New Testament Letters?

Did you know Jesus and the Apostles quoted from books from the (Old Testament)Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) that are rejected by Jews and Protestants?

If you know all this, from your position of your above post conflicts with the reality of historical fact.

 

[Non_Serviam]

What part of compiled the bible and wrote the NT did you not understand? Where did I mention the OT in my response to you? Either you choose to misinterpret what I write, or you are in dire need of a dictionary.

You responded to my post with:

Are you saying then that it was the Jews who compiled the Bible and wrote the NT? I believe they would be astounded, to know this, but stranger things have been said on CAF. Good luck with your rewriting of history.

(emphasis mine)

You twisted what I wrote-and then responded rudely when corrected you. If you are unable to accept the fact that the majority of the Bible was not written by the New Testament church, then go join the Marcionites.

Now go pester someone else. Shoo.!

 

[Non_Serviam]

Gabriel of 12;
Are you aware of the Septuagint? and that the Jews do not accept the New Testament as inspired of God. Do you know who put the New Testament books of the bible together and canonized them as Inspired of God? Did you know the Catholic church came first before the New Testament was ever put together in the bible? And are you aware of Biblical Apostolic Oral Tradition came first before the New Testament Letters?

Did you know Jesus and the Apostles quoted from books from the (Old Testament)Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) that are rejected by Jews and Protestants?

If you know all this, from your position of your above post conflicts with the reality of historical fact.

Gabriel, answer me this:

in the following passage from the book of Luke:
Luke 4:14-21:

14 Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news of him spread throughout the whole region.
15 He taught in their synagogues and was praised by all.
16 He came to Nazareth, where he had grown up, and went according to his custom into the synagogue on the sabbath day. He stood up to read
17 and was handed a scroll of the prophet Isaiah. He unrolled the scroll and found the passage where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring glad tidings to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free,
19 and to proclaim a year acceptable to the Lord.”
20 Rolling up the scroll, he handed it back to the attendant and sat down, and the eyes of all in the synagogue looked intently at him.
21 He said to them, “Today this scripture passage is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Where did this scroll come from? Who copied and preserved it since the church hadn’t been formed yet?

 

[Non_Serviam]

On more quote for those who want to negate the role of Jews in copying and preserving Scripture:
Romans 3 NAB:

1 What advantage is there then in being a Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision?
2 Much, in every respect. (For) in the first place, they were entrusted with the utterances of God.

So God was able to preserve the OT Scriptures quite well without an infallible Jewish Magisterium-and if He doesn’t change…

 

[Hisalone]

Are you saying then that it was the Jews who compiled the Bible and wrote the NT? I believe they would be astounded, to know this, but stranger things have been said on CAF. Good luck with your rewriting of history.

Actually Matthew, Mark, John, Peter, James, Paul were Jews.
**The bible was **not compiled it was recieved.

 

[Hisalone]

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Luke 24:27
Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them what referred to him in all the scriptures.

So the Op begs the question how do you know if your faith is interpreting the bible scriptures correctly, or without error? The Catholic church has an infallible teacher, and the protection of the Holy Spirit guaranteed by Jesus himself;

But there is human error in the RCC take 2 Ptr 1:20-21 where you have misinterpreted it.
I can only assume that the RCC is not infallible is not without error.

 

[Hisalone]

Gabriel of 12;
Are you aware of the Septuagint? and that the Jews do not accept the New Testament as inspired of God. Do you know who put the New Testament books of the bible together and canonized them as Inspired of God? Did you know the Catholic church came first before the New Testament was ever put together in the bible? And are you aware of Biblical Apostolic Oral Tradition came first before the New Testament Letters?

Did you know Jesus and the Apostles quoted from books from the (Old Testament)Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) that are rejected by Jews and Protestants?

If you know all this, from your position of your above post conflicts with the reality of historical fact.

God compiled the bible** His people recieved it**.
Apparently you are not aware that God breathed the bible into exixtance something that the RCC has taught since at least Vatican ll. RCC quotes ECF often yet it doesnt make them cannonical. It appears that you have taken a position of conveinence rather than fact.

 

[Ginger2]

So the Op begs the question how do you know if your faith is interpreting the bible scriptures correctly, or without error? The Catholic church has an infallible teacher, and the protection of the Holy Spirit guaranteed by Jesus himself;

1. Just as Jesus revealed the Gospel to Paul, so can the Holy Spirit reveal it to the rest of us.

Paul did not need the Apostle’s to explain Christ Jesus to him - Jesus appeared to Saul and opened his mind to knowledge of the Christ and God’s plan for salvation without the assistance of a single Apostle.

2. Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ

This says “when you read you can understand” what you are reading.

3. Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

This says Paul he explained/interpreted the Scriptures to them. Some accepted the truth and some denied it.

Those who believed did not believe in the Scriptures because Paul explained the Scriptures (ie infallible interpretation) - They believed what Paul said because the Scriptures proved Paul was telling the truth.
Those who did not believe, denied because** they choose not to believe**.

4. 2Ti 4:3* For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

This demonstrates the RC’s “infallible interpretation” is useless.
Faith is a matter of choice and understanding only comes from God.

In addition God promises not to let His own be led astray.*

My sheep listen to my voice;* I know them,* and they follow me.* *
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one can snatch them from my hand.
John 10:27-28

Ginger

 

[josie_L]

You responded to my post with:

(emphasis mine)

You twisted what I wrote-and then responded rudely when corrected you. If you are unable to accept the fact that the majority of the Bible was not written by the New Testament church, then go join the Marcionites.

Now go pester someone else. Shoo.!

Reread, onetruecathapos’s post again, see what she wrote in capped letters, the word is COMPILED, look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary, and see if it has anything to do with denying Jews the responsibility of writing the OT. It’s a good thing these conversations are written. Again, good luck with rewriting history.