Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

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None of this backs up your claim that First Century Christians were using the bible as we know it today.
There were other writings that were considered authoritative by many early believers and books that that we have today that were rejected by many of them.
Not in the first century.

The books from the OT were the same as the protestant Bibles of today. All 1st century evidence supports that claim.

Your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th century only demonstrate certain men tried to introduce new books into the canon, but they were disputed.

Origen (225) rejected all the deuteros (Baruch, Eccl., Wisdom, Tobit, Judith and Macc)
Council of Laodicea (363) This council rejected all but Baruch
Epiphanius (385) rejected all Deuteros

Jerome also rejected all the deuteros

Even after Jerome translated the Vulgate:
Synopsis of Sac. Scrip. (550) rejected all the deuteros
Leontius (590) rejected all the deuteros
Anastasius of Sinai (c. 650) rejected all the deuteros
(List of the Sixty Books)
John of Damascus (730) rejected all the deuteros

It appears to me there was a consensus from the beginning, until Trent decided to canonize the deuteros to support and solidify doctrines not found in the inspired Scriptures.
 
Not in the first century.

The books from the OT were the same as the protestant Bibles of today. All 1st century evidence supports that claim.

Your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th century only demonstrate certain men tried to introduce new books into the canon, but they were disputed.

Origen (225) rejected all the deuteros (Baruch, Eccl., Wisdom, Tobit, Judith and Macc)
Council of Laodicea (363) This council rejected all but Baruch
Epiphanius (385) rejected all Deuteros

Jerome also rejected all the deuteros

Even after Jerome translated the Vulgate:
Synopsis of Sac. Scrip. (550) rejected all the deuteros
Leontius (590) rejected all the deuteros
Anastasius of Sinai (c. 650) rejected all the deuteros
(List of the Sixty Books)
John of Damascus (730) rejected all the deuteros

It appears to me there was a consensus from the beginning, until Trent decided to canonize the deuteros to support and solidify doctrines not found in the inspired Scriptures.
For everyone’s edification:

“In Jesus’ time, the Samaritans and Sadducees accepted the law but rejected the prophets and writings. The Pharisees accepted all three. Other Jews used a Greek version (the Septuagint) that included the seven disputed books, known as the deuterocanonicals. Still other Jews used a version of the canon that is reflected in the Septaguint and included versions of the seven books in question in their original Hebrew or Aramaic.”

"3. But the seven deuterocanonical books were added at the Council of Trent (1546) in order to justify Catholic doctrinal inventions.

This is a myth that always comes up but is simple to answer. At the Council of Rome in 382, the Church decided upon a canon of 46 Old Testament books and 27 in the New Testament. This decision was ratified by the councils at Hippo (393), Carthage (397, 419), II Nicea (787), Florence (1442), and Trent (1546).

Further, if Catholics added the deuterocanonical books in 1546, then Martin Luther beat us to the punch: He included them in his first German translation, published the Council of Trent. They can also be found in the first King James Version (1611) and in the first Bible ever printed, the Guttenberg Bible (a century before Trent). In fact, these books were included in almost every Bible until the Edinburgh Committee of the British Foreign Bible Society excised them in 1825. Until then, they had been included at least in an appendix of Protestant Bibles. It is historically demonstrable that Catholics did not add the books, Protestants took them out.

Luther had a tendency to grade the Bible according to his preferences. In his writings on the New Testament, he noted that the books of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation were inferior to the rest, and they followed “the certain, main books of the New Testament.” In 1519, this same attitude fueled his debate against Johannes Eck on the topic of purgatory. Luther undermined Eck’s proof text of 2 Maccabees 12 by devaluing the deuterocanonical books as a whole. **He argued that the New Testament authors had **never quoted from the seven books, so they were in a different class than the rest of the Bible."

"6. Which translation did the first Christians use?

Early Christians read the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint. It included the seven deuterocanonical books. For this reason, the Protestant historian J.N.D. Kelly writes, “It should be observed that the Old Testament thus admitted as authoritative in the Church was somewhat bulkier and more comprehensive [than the Protestant Bible]. . . . It always included, though with varying degrees of recognition, the so-called apocrypha or deuterocanonical books” (, 53). The authors of the New Testament quoted freely from the Septuagint—over 300 times."

Taken from Catholic Answers Jason Evert.

Please note portions bolded.
 
Not in the first century.

The books from the OT were the same as the protestant Bibles of today. All 1st century evidence supports that claim.

Your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th century only demonstrate certain men tried to introduce new books into the canon, but they were disputed.

Origen (225) rejected all the deuteros (Baruch, Eccl., Wisdom, Tobit, Judith and Macc)
Council of Laodicea (363) This council rejected all but Baruch
Epiphanius (385) rejected all Deuteros

Jerome also rejected all the deuteros

Even after Jerome translated the Vulgate:
Synopsis of Sac. Scrip. (550) rejected all the deuteros
Leontius (590) rejected all the deuteros
Anastasius of Sinai (c. 650) rejected all the deuteros
(List of the Sixty Books)
John of Damascus (730) rejected all the deuteros

It appears to me there was a consensus from the beginning, until Trent decided to canonize the deuteros to support and solidify doctrines not found in the inspired Scriptures.
First of all - we were talking about the New Testament.

As for the deuterocanonicals - they were part of the Septuagint and weren’t rejected until after the destruction of the temple (circa 80 A.D.), when the rabbies at the time met in Jabneh (Jamnia) after asking permission from the Roman authorities.
The Septuagint is what Jesus himself studied from.

The Church rejects any changes to the Old Testament made after the time of Jesus because anything after him would be considered a bastardized or tainted version.

For the life of me - I can’t understand why Protestants would agree with the tainted Jewish canon after the time of Jesus.🤷
 
Scripture

Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.

Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.

Matt… 7:12 - Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.

Matt. 9:36 - the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.

Matt. 11:25 - Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.

Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.

Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.

Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.

Matt. 24:16 - let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.

Matt. 27:43 - if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.

Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.

Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.

Luke 1:42 - Elizabeth’s declaration of Mary’s blessedness above all women follows Uzziah’s declaration in Judith 13:18.

Luke 1:52 - Mary’s magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.

Luke 2:29 - Simeon’s declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.

Luke 13:29 - the Lord’s description of men coming from east and west to rejoice in God follows Baruch 4:37.

Luke 21:24 - Jesus’ usage of “fall by the edge of the sword” follows Sirach 28:18.

Luke 24:4 and Acts 1:10 - Luke’s description of the two men in dazzling apparel reminds us of 2 Macc. 3:26.

John 1:3 - all things were made through Him, the Word, follows Wisdom 9:1.

John 3:13 - who has ascended into heaven but He who descended from heaven references Baruch 3:29.

John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 - Jesus’, Luke’s and Paul’s usage of “signs and wonders” follows Wisdom 8:8.

John 5:18 - Jesus claiming that God is His Father follows Wisdom 2:16.

John 6:35-59 - Jesus’ Eucharistic discourse is foreshadowed in Sirach 24:21.

John 10:22 - the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from 1 Macc. 4:59.

John 10:36 – Jesus accepts the inspiration of Maccabees as He analogizes the Hanukkah consecration to His own consecration to the Father in 1 Macc. 4:36.

John 15:6 - branches that don’t bear fruit and are cut down follows Wis. 4:5 where branches are broken off.

Acts 1:15 - Luke’s reference to the 120 may be a reference to 1 Macc. 3:55 - leaders of tens / restoration of the twelve.

Acts 10:34; Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6 - Peter’s and Paul’s statement that God shows no partiality references Sirach 35:12.

Acts 17:29 - description of false gods as like gold and silver made by men follows Wisdom 13:10.

Rom 1:18-25 - Paul’s teaching on the knowledge of the Creator and the ignorance and sin of idolatry follows Wis. 13:1-10.
 
Rom. 1:20 - specifically, God’s existence being evident in nature follows Wis. 13:1.

Rom. 1:23 - the sin of worshipping mortal man, birds, animals and reptiles follows Wis. 11:15; 12:24-27; 13:10; 14:8.

Rom. 1:24-27 - this idolatry results in all kinds of sexual perversion which follows Wis. 14:12,24-27.

Rom. 4:17 - Abraham is a father of many nations follows Sirach 44:19.

Rom. 5:12 - description of death and sin entering into the world is similar to Wisdom 2:24.

Rom. 9:21 - usage of the potter and the clay, making two kinds of vessels follows Wisdom 15:7.

1 Cor. 2:16 - Paul’s question, “who has known the mind of the Lord?” references Wisdom 9:13.

1 Cor. 6:12-13; 10:23-26 - warning that, while all things are good, beware of gluttony, follows Sirach 36:18 and 37:28-30.

1 Cor. 8:5-6 - Paul acknowledging many “gods” but one Lord follows Wis. 13:3.

1 Cor. 10:1 - Paul’s description of our fathers being under the cloud passing through the sea refers to Wisdom 19:7.

1 Cor. 10:20 - what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God refers to Baruch 4:7.

1 Cor. 15:29 - if no expectation of resurrection, it would be foolish to be baptized on their behalf follows 2 Macc. 12:43-45.

Eph. 1:17 - Paul’s prayer for a “spirit of wisdom” follows the prayer for the spirit of wisdom in Wisdom 7:7.

Eph. 6:14 - Paul describing the breastplate of righteousness is the same as Wis. 5:18. See also Isaiah 59:17 and 1 Thess. 5:8.

Eph. 6:13-17 - in fact, the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.

1 Tim. 6:15 - Paul’s description of God as Sovereign and King of kings is from 2 Macc. 12:15; 13:4.

2 Tim. 4:8 - Paul’s description of a crown of righteousness is similar to Wisdom 5:16.

Heb. 4:12 - Paul’s description of God’s word as a sword is similar to Wisdom 18:15.

Heb. 11:5 - Enoch being taken up is also referenced in Wis 4:10 and Sir 44:16. See also 2 Kings 2:1-13 & Sir 48:9 regarding Elijah.

Heb 11:35 - Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.

Heb. 12:12 - the description “drooping hands” and “weak knees” comes from Sirach 25:23.

James 1:19 - let every man be quick to hear and slow to respond follows Sirach 5:11.

James 2:23 - it was reckoned to him as righteousness follows 1 Macc. 2:52 - it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

James 3:13 - James’ instruction to perform works in meekness follows Sirach 3:17.

James 5:3 - describing silver which rusts and laying up treasure follows Sirach 29:10-11.

James 5:6 - condemning and killing the “righteous man” follows Wisdom 2:10-20.

1 Peter 1:6-7 - Peter teaches about testing faith by purgatorial fire as described in Wisdom 3:5-6 and Sirach 2:5.

1 Peter 1:17 - God judging each one according to his deeds refers to Sirach 16:12 - God judges man according to his deeds.

2 Peter 2:7 - God’s rescue of a righteous man (Lot) is also described in Wisdom 10:6.

Rev. 1:4 – the seven spirits who are before his throne is taken from Tobit 12:15 – Raphael is one of the seven holy angels who present the prayers of the saints before the Holy One.

Rev. 1:18; Matt. 16:18 - power of life over death and gates of Hades follows Wis. 16:13.

Rev. 2:12 - reference to the two-edged sword is similar to the description of God’s Word in Wisdom 18:16.

Rev. 5:7 - God is described as seated on His throne, and this is the same description used in Sirach 1:8.

Rev. 8:3-4 - prayers of the saints presented to God by the hand of an angel follows Tobit 12:12,15.

Rev. 8:7 - raining of hail and fire to the earth follows Wisdom 16:22 and Sirach 39:29.

Rev. 9:3 - raining of locusts on the earth follows Wisdom 16:9.

Rev. 11:19 - the vision of the ark of the covenant (Mary) in a cloud of glory was prophesied in 2 Macc. 2:7.

Rev. 17:14 - description of God as King of kings follows 2 Macc. 13:4.

Rev. 19:1 - the cry “Hallelujah” at the coming of the new Jerusalem follows Tobit 13:18.

Rev. 19:11 - the description of the Lord on a white horse in the heavens follows 2 Macc. 3:25; 11:8.

Rev. 19:16 - description of our Lord as King of kings is taken from 2 Macc. 13:4.

Rev. 21:19 - the description of the new Jerusalem with precious stones is prophesied in Tobit 13:17.

Exodus 23:7 - do not slay the innocent and righteous - Dan. 13:53 - do not put to death an innocent and righteous person.

1 Sam. 28:7-20 – the intercessory mediation of deceased Samuel for Saul follows Sirach 46:20.

2 Kings 2:1-13 – Elijah being taken up into heaven follows Sirach 48:9.

2 Tim. 3:16 - the inspired Scripture that Paul was referring to included the deuterocanonical texts that the Protestants removed. The books Baruch, Tobit, Maccabees, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom and parts of Daniel and Esther were all included in the Septuagint that Jesus and the apostles used.
 
For everyone’s edification:

"In Jesus’ time, the Samaritans …
Samaritans were watered down in that after being released from captivity they intermarried with pagans, that’s why the Jews hated them. The Samaritans make up some of the “lost tribes” or lost sheep which Jesus came to call home.
The Pharisees accepted all three.
Thank you.
Other Jews used a Greek version (the Septuagint) that included the seven disputed books, known as the deuterocanonicals.
Just because they used the Septuagint **version **doesn’t mean they held all books of the Septuagint as God’s Holy Word. Not all books were considered inspired.

In your church library you have a collection of books. But you don’t consider every book in your library inspired - neither did they.

Furthermore, the Hellenistic Jews were also watered down in Greek culture which is why they were so receptive to the introduction of Christianity.

Jesus himself indicated the Jewish canon in Luke 24:44 …all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
 
First of all - we were talking about the New Testament.

As for the deuterocanonicals - they were part of the Septuagint and weren’t rejected until after the destruction of the temple (circa 80 A.D.), when the rabbies at the time met in Jamnia


There is no evidence any of the Apocrypha were even discussed at Jamnia. If you have evidence present it because quite frankly I’m tired of hearing unsubstantiated claims.

Your “absolute” claims of what happened at Jamnia are all speculation. Which is why you never present proof, just make one empty claim after another.

Josephus wrote twenty years before Jamnia He had actually temple scrolls in his possession. Josephus’ canon was the same canon as the Protestant Bible

Ginger
 
Scripture

Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.
I need not go any further than your first example to discredit your claim.

Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was NOT prophesied in Wis. 11:7

**Matthew 2:17 says it fulfills the prophesy in Jeremiah 31:15 **

Ginger
 
Remember todays Gospel Reading

“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.”
(Matthew 21:42b)

To remember to make Christ the foundation of your lives, and to forgive those who do not understand or err in effort of trying to understand. mary1173:)
 
Exodus 23:7 - do not slay the innocent and righteous - Dan. 13:53 - do not put to death an innocent and righteous person.

1 Sam. 28:7-20 – the intercessory mediation of deceased Samuel for Saul follows Sirach 46:20.

2 Kings 2:1-13 – Elijah being taken up into heaven follows Sirach 48:9.

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The examples you give are from scripturecatholic.com and have been dealt with on numerous occasions. Some of them are really quite silly and obviously wrong. Exodus was written long before Daniel so if anything was followed it was Daniel following Exodus. Similarly 1 Samuel and 2 Kings were written before Sirach so it is silly to say that an earlier book followed a later one.
 
Samaritans were watered down in that after being released from captivity they intermarried with pagans, that’s why the Jews hated them. The Samaritans make up some of the “lost tribes” or lost sheep which Jesus came to call home.

Just because they used the Septuagint **version **doesn’t mean they held all books of the Septuagint as God’s Holy Word. Not all books were considered inspired.

In your church library you have a collection of books. But you don’t consider every book in your library inspired - neither did they.

**Furthermore, the Hellenistic Jews were also watered down in Greek culture which is why they were so receptive to the introduction of Christianity. **

Jesus himself indicated the Jewish canon in Luke 24:44 …all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
"When the Christians claimed that they had written new scriptures, Jews from a rabbinical school in Javneh met around year 80 and, among other things, discussed the canon. They did not include the New Testament nor the seven Old Testament works and portions of Daniel and Esther. This still did not settle the Pharisee canon, since not all Jews agreed with or even knew about the decision at Javneh. Rabbis continued to debate it into the second and third centuries. Even today, the Ethiopian Jews use the same Old Testament as Catholics.

If anything is certain, it is that there was no common canon among the Jews at the time of Christ."

The early Christians however used the deuterocanonical books as referenced in my post, please notice that the Protestant historian J N D Kelly writes “The authors of the New Testament quoted freely from the Septuagint—over 300 times.”

Please, look at some of the deuterocanonical references quoted/alluded to in the NT I have posted.

Thanks.

P.S. Jesus doesn’t mention Song of Songs, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Job for that matter, so what say you of that?
 
"When the Christians claimed that they had written new scriptures, Jews from a rabbinical school in Javneh met around year 80 and, among other things, discussed the canon.
Now you are contradicting the Catholic position altogether !

I keep hearing how the first century Christians didn’t know they were writing Scriptures, yet you claim (out of thin air) that Christians were informing Jews they were writing inspired Scriptures.

You can’t have it both ways you can’t claim one thing to prove a point and then claim the exact opposite to prove another. At least one assertion, if not both, have to be wrong.
 
The early Christians however used the deuterocanonical books as referenced in my post, please notice that the Protestant historian J N D Kelly writes “The authors of the New Testament quoted freely from the Septuagint—over 300 times.”/QUOTE]

This is false as has already been pointed out by me and SyCarl.

BTW, Sy That was a good point. I had never thought of it that way before.
 
The examples you give are from scripturecatholic.com and have been dealt with on numerous occasions. Some of them are really quite silly and obviously wrong. Exodus was written long before Daniel so if anything was followed it was Daniel following Exodus. Similarly 1 Samuel and 2 Kings were written before Sirach so it is silly to say that an earlier book followed a later one.
Excuse me, are you stating you went through them one by one?

By the way, there are 300 deuterocanonical references in the NT. And the amount that I posted doesn’t even amount to half.

As a Protestant, have you read the deuterocanonical books?
 
Now you are contradicting the Catholic position altogether !

I** keep hearing how the first century Christians didn’t know they were writing Scriptures, yet you claim (out of thin air) that Christians were informing Jews they were writing inspired Scriptures.**

You can’t have it both ways you can’t claim one thing to prove a point and then claim the exact opposite to prove another. At least one assertion, if not both, have to be wrong.
Ginger, everything I posted comes from the same article, you can read it for yourself if you wish,

As for the portion in bold, I haven’t a clue as to what you are saying, could you be more precise?
 
Dear Protestants,

Whence do you have authority to interpret the Bible as you do, since it is certainly a text which requires interpretation (Acts viii, 31), and it does not admit private interpretation (II Peter i, 20)? Do you believe that you are right as a “holy man of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit” (ibid., 21), and if so, why? How do you know that your interpretation is the right one, above that of the other several thousand denominations equally assured of the veracity of theirs, which they in contradiction to all the others?
How do you know that your Catholic bible is the correct interpretation?
I have looked for a good Catholic bible at the book store and some have the Apocrypha and some don’t. Some say,“revised” some don’t. That’s why I haven’t bought one yet.
The Douay-Rheims translation is suppose to be the best but I haven’t found that at the used book store I shop at.
Here’s an article I found while shopping online:
"The Catholic New American Bible translates a warning of Jesus to the Jews as saying: “But I tell you, you will all come to the same end unless you reform” (Luke 13:5, NAB). Here the Greek word metanoeo, meaning to change ones mind or to repent, is translated to “reform,” meaning to change into a new and improved form.
The chapter title to Luke 13 added by the editors of the Catholic New American Bible reads: “Providential Calls to Penance.”
There is also the The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) a Catholic translation of the Bible published in 1985.
How did you decide which Catholic bible to use?
 
Excuse me, are you stating you went through them one by one?

By the way, there are 300 deuterocanonical references in the NT. And the amount that I posted doesn’t even amount to half.

As a Protestant, have you read the deuterocanonical books?
Yes I have read the Apocrypha in both the Douai-Rheims and in modern Catholic translations. It is interesting to note that the books of Tobit and Judith vary quite considerably between the two.

And yes I have gone through the entire list from scripturecatholic. I will give a couple more example.
Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matthew 12:42 has nothing to do the the book, Wisdom of Solomon. It refers to 1 Kings 4
Solomon answered all her questions; nothing was hidden from the king which he did not explain to her. When the queen of Sheba perceived all the wisdom of Solomon, the house that he had built, the food of his table, the seating of his servants, the attendance of his waiters and their attire, his cupbearers, and his stairway by which he went up to the house of the LORD, there was no more spirit in her.
(1 Kings 10:3-5 NASB)
Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17
Jesus tells us what He is referring to. It is Daniel and not Maccabees.
"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
(Matthew 24:15 NASB)
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Jesus does not refer to the 7 brothers, the Sadducees do. However they did not accept anything except the 5 books of Moses as Scripture and so this would not make Tobit scripture even if it was the Sadducees were referring to.
Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
The passage in Judith reads:
“Woe to the nations that rise against my people! the Lord Almighty will requite them; in the day of judgment he will punish them: He will send fire and worms into their flesh, and they shall burn and suffer forever.”
(Judith 16:17 NAB-A)
I quote from the NAB because in the Douai-Rheims Judith 16:17 has no resemblance to Mark 9:48.

Is Jesus referring to Judith? Isaiah is much closer.
“Then they will go forth and look On the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”
(Isaiah 66:24 NASB)
And remember, Isaiah was written before Judith so if there is a similarity it would be Judith copying Isaiah.

I could continue.
 
I need not go any further than your first example to discredit your claim.

Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was NOT prophesied in Wis. 11:7

**Matthew 2:17 says it fulfills the prophesy in Jeremiah 31:15 **

Ginger
The word “prophesied” (it may not be the prophecy of which Matthew relies on but it sure is prophetic considering what is stated) in this case is being used as a way to designate the parallels between the two scriptures, in fact, in the NAB Wisdom 11:7 the scripture is written like this:

" . . . as a rebuke to the decree for the the slaying of the infants."

It is quite prophetic don’t you think,
 
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