Protestants:If you don't pray to Saints, do you pray to Angels?

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mgrfin said:
There are many paths to God. There is no necessity to pray to the saints, or call to others to be intercessors for us, as in the case of Mary.
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Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
 
mgrfin said:
Veneration, which we give to angels and saints is a form of worship. Adoration is a form of worship we give to God alone…
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Angels and Saints want absolutely no part of our worship as demonstrated repeatedly in the bible. I did a quick search on this subject and found the source of this practice to be ancient babylonianism, looks like these practices may have crept into the Church when Christianity became the state religion of Rome.
 
MarcoPolo said:
It simply means “to ask” in the sense I use it.
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Jesus said,

“My Father will give you whatever you ask in My Name”

“And I will do whatever you ask in My Name, so the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask for anything in My Name, and I will do it.”
 
byoby said:
Jesus said,

“My Father will give you whatever you ask in My Name”

“And I will do whatever you ask in My Name, so the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask for anything in My Name, and I will do it.”
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Thanks for that! Why are you writing it?? 🙂
 
No, I do not pray to angels, I pray to God alone, I don’t beat around the bush, I go strait to Him and Him alone.
:amen:
 
tiemry said:
No, I do not pray to angels, I pray to God alone, I don’t beat around the bush, I go strait to Him and Him alone.
:amen:
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Perhaps there is confusion if you did not read through the thread. You understand that praying to saints or angels merely means “to ask” them to pray for us. So you don’t ask your friends ever to pray for you? You always go straight to God by yourself?
 
water said:
May I ask you why we are told to pray for one another?
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Jhn 16:24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

God wants us to talk to Him. He cares about us. Just like He cared for Abraham in Genesis 18. God knew that Abraham was concerned for Lot.

So it is with us. We are concerned for family and friends. It is good for us to pray for each other.
 
Ginger2 said:
So it is with us. We are concerned for family and friends. It is good for us to pray for each other.
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Thanks for all the awesome.

Our family includes not only those on Earth but those in Heaven. Those in Heaven follow God’s will perfectly - our perfection and love cannot surpass theirs. They are in Heaven days and nights praying for us.

If God wants us here to pray for one another - unless we are not in the same family, then it would not make sense those in Heaven, with perfect love, do not pray for us.

Love never ends when they are in Heaven. Their love for God and for other souls continues.
 
There are essentially no reasons for strict sola scripturists to pray to the saints in heaven or to angels. As a Protestant, I found the practice nearly idolatrous. As a convert, it’s obvious that asking the saints in heaven and the angels to be a profound grace and gift from God. However, logically speaking, if you reject the one you ought to reject the other.

It’s really sad though; you Protestants are really missing out on a beautiful gift from God through our eternal siblings. They love us with a perfect love, because they are perfectly in Christ interceding for us from our everlasting home. If God didn’t allow His people in heaven to pray for mankind’s needs on earth, that would hardly qualify Him as a God of compassion and mercy.

None of this takes away from our Lord. Rather, it reveals a wider scope of God’s love through His people in the redemption of the world. God is present both here and now in His people, and in the world to come as we all cry “Abba Father, Thy will be done, Thy kingdom come.”

Thank God for the Communion of Saints. We are not an isolated family on earth. Our family is much larger and closer than that. The Protestant view in rejecting this belief supposes a distant, if not fractured family. A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand - our heavenly siblings including all the angels are with us.

We have no one to truly thank but God alone.
 
christcnection1 said:
There are essentially no reasons for strict sola scripturists to pray to the saints in heaven or to angels. As a Protestant, I found the practice nearly idolatrous. As a convert, it’s obvious that asking the saints in heaven and the angels to be a profound grace and gift from God. However, logically speaking, if you reject the one you ought to reject the other.

It’s really sad though; you Protestants are really missing out on a beautiful gift from God through our eternal siblings. They love us with a perfect love, because they are perfectly in Christ interceding for us from our everlasting home. If God didn’t allow His people in heaven to pray for mankind’s needs on earth, that would hardly qualify Him as a God of compassion and mercy.

None of this takes away from our Lord. Rather, it reveals a wider scope of God’s love through His people in the redemption of the world. God is present both here and now in His people, and in the world to come as we all cry “Abba Father, Thy will be done, Thy kingdom come.”

Thank God for the Communion of Saints. We are not an isolated family on earth. Our family is much larger and closer than that. The Protestant view in rejecting this belief supposes a distant, if not fractured family. A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand - our heavenly siblings including all the angels are with us.

We have no one to truly thank but God alone.
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Your words are very meaningful, powerful and true.
Thank you!
 
mgrfin said:
Actually, Catholics pray to angels as well. And we also believe that we each have a Guardian Angel.

October 2nd is the celebration of the Feast of Guardian Angels.

Epistle reading from Exodus 23: 20-23

And a prayer taught to me by my mother:

Angel of God, My Guardian dear
To whom His love commits me here
Ever this day be at my side,
to rule and guide. Amen

peace
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I guess I wasn’t being clear with my original post. What I meant by that was that they too will pray to Angels. I know it’s a Catholic practice, but some Protestants will do it as well.
 
tiemry said:
No, I do not pray to angels, I pray to God alone, I don’t beat around the bush, I go strait to Him and Him alone.
:amen:
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Well, Jesus said: Ask the Father anything in my name and He will give it to you.

Following the admonition of Jesus, we pray to the Father, 'per eundem Dominum nostrum, Jesum Christum" (through the same Lord, Jesus Christ".

We have also been taught by this to use the intercession of the Communion of Saints, who intercede with God for us.

You are certainly free to anyway you want, but we have the freedom that Jesus gave us to pray as He taught us, and as our Church, founded by him, teaches us.

peace
 
mgrfin said:
Byoby is trying to prove to everybody he has a bible, and we don’t.

peace
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I am not trying to prove anything. I am only trying to understand how these practices square with the Bible and so far I can not. I appreciate the help of those who have given me some direction on this scripturally and so far just have to agree to disagree on the meanings of these. I do read my Bible and earnestly try to understand it. Hope everyone else here does as well. I just want to know if praying to Saints and Angels can be supported in the Word of God. I am merely asking those who believe it to direct me to the origins of this practice and hopefully learn something along the way. If it is based on tradition than just tell me that and I will be done with this discussion. If I have proven something to you than it was un-intentional and I am sorry.😉
 
byoby said:
I am not trying to prove anything. I am only trying to understand how these practices square with the Bible and so far I can not. I appreciate the help of those who have given me some direction on this scripturally and so far just have to agree to disagree on the meanings of these. I do read my Bible and earnestly try to understand it. Hope everyone else here does as well. I just want to know if praying to Saints and Angels can be supported in the Word of God. I am merely asking those who believe it to direct me to the origins of this practice and hopefully learn something along the way. If it is based on tradition than just tell me that and I will be done with this discussion. If I have proven something to you than it was un-intentional and I am sorry.😉
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Okay, try your Bible out on the following:

The Eucharist
John 6: 48-59
Math 26: 26-28
Mark: 14: 22-24
Luke 22: 19-20
1 Cor 11: 23-29

Penance and the forgiveness of sins:
Math 18: 15-18

Christ founds his Church:
Matt 16:18
John 10: 27-28
John 10: 14-16
1 Cor 12: 12, 27
Eph 4: 4-6
Acts 2: 1-4
John 14: 16-17
Luke 10:16
Acts 1: 8

peace
 
mgrfin said:
Okay, try your Bible out on the following:

The Eucharist
John 6: 48-59
Math 26: 26-28
Mark: 14: 22-24
Luke 22: 19-20
1 Cor 11: 23-29

Penance and the forgiveness of sins:
Math 18: 15-18

Christ founds his Church:
Matt 16:18
John 10: 27-28
John 10: 14-16
1 Cor 12: 12, 27
Eph 4: 4-6
Acts 2: 1-4
John 14: 16-17
Luke 10:16
Acts 1: 8

peace
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Thank you for these verses that address other issues that I have questions about. I will read them in the light of which you present them.

I do however wonder why the subject has changed.:confused:
 
byoby said:
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I just want to know if praying to Saints and Angels can be supported in the Word of God. I am merely asking those who believe it to direct me to the origins of this practice and hopefully learn something along the way. If it is based on tradition than just tell me that and I will be done with this discussion. If I have proven something to you than it was un-intentional and I am sorry.😉
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Alright here we go…prayers other than those given to God:

Psalm 103:20-21
Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, obedient to his spoken word. Bless the LORD, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will.

Psalm 148:1-2
Praise the LORD! Praise the LORD from the heavens; praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his host!

And we can see the unity of earthly and heavenly prayer in Rev 5:13 where it says, "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, “To Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!”

Likewise, The book of Revelation tells us that the heavenly elders and the Angel carry our prayers to the altar and offer them to God.

More intercession by the saints is found in 2 Maccabees 15:11-16
which says:

“Having armed each one of them not so much with the safety given by shield and lance as with that confidence which springs from noble language, he encouraged them all by describing to them a convincing dream, a vision, as it were. What he had seen was this: Onias, the former high priest, that paragon of men, modest of bearing and gentle of manners, suitably eloquent and trained from boyhood in the practice of every virtue, Onias was stretching out his hands and praying for the whole Jewish community. Next, there appeared a man equally remarkable for his great age and dignity and invested with a marvellous and impressive air of majesty. Onias began to speak: “This is a man”, he said, “who loves his brothers and prays much for the people and the holy city, Jeremiah, the prophet of God.” Jeremiah then stretched out his right hand and presented Judas with a golden sword, saying as he gave it, `Take this holy sword as a gift from God; with it you will shatter the enemy.”

Jesus himself spoke with Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration and it is clear that he received some kind of consolation from this. If Jesus would do something like this than surely it must be acceptable for us. It seems clear to me that there is plenty of biblical evidence for the Catholic practice of praying to Mary and the saints.
 
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