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Jesus, the Son of God, said to pray directly to the Father in His name. The Son of God did not say pray to the saints. Jesus, the Son of God, gave us instructions on how to pray. Why aren’t you listening to the Son of God?QUOTE]
You are not answering my questions.
I see we cannot have any meaningful discussion since you keep repeating yourself.
PS I pray to the Father as well, through the merits of Jesus Christ. As a Catholic we all pray to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and to the Saints, through the Communion of saints.
Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen
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You do realize that when you pray in Jesus name, you glorify the Father. You can’t glorify the Father in the Son by praying to creatures (created people).
Jhn 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
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mgrfin;2989416:
I quoted John 14:14 to you and you ignored it.Jesus, the Son of God, said to pray directly to the Father in His name. The Son of God did not say pray to the saints. Jesus, the Son of God, gave us instructions on how to pray. Why aren’t you listening to the Son of God?
You do realize that when you pray in Jesus name, you glorify the Father. You can’t glorify the Father in the Son by praying to creatures (created people).
Jhn 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
You are also ignoring infallible revealed Tradition (the unwritten Word of God) relating to the Eastern Church in prayer to Jesus (Jesus Prayer), and the same Tradition teaching prayer directly to Jesus and to the intercession of the Saints in the Western Church.
I don’t know the place of the Holy Spirit in your beliefs, but he seems to be totally ignored. I guess you don’t believe in the Blessed Trinity, or much about it, outside of what the Catholic Church has taught you.
You are repeating yourself. I know what you believe and how you pray. I believe the discussion is over since you only want to say the same thing.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
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believers;2989444:
John 14:14?! What about the rest of the verses? You’re taking that verse completely out context. Jesus said He will do it but you must pray to the Father. The Father is glorified in the Son and no other.I quoted John 14:14 to you and you ignored it.
You are also ignoring infallible revealed Tradition (the unwritten Word of God) relating to the Eastern Church in prayer to Jesus, and the same Tradition teaching prayer directly to Jesus and to the intercession of the Saints.
I don’t know the place of the Holy Spirit in your beliefs, but he seems to be totally ignored. I guess you don’t believe in the Blessed Trinity.
peace
In other words, pray to the Father in Jesus name and Jesus will do it. There’s nothing to discuss here. I suggest you put that verse back into context for the full meaning. Pray to the Father in Jesus name and believe that you receive… then say Thank you Jesus!
infallible revealed Tradition?! That’s just religion talking and it’s terrible.
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[QThere’s nothing to discuss here.QUOTE]
You are right. There is nothing to discuss here.
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Oh, just one further thing.The Father is glorified in the Son and no other.
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About your theology of the Trinity:
“And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, WHO TOGETHER WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON IS ADORED AND GLORIFIED…”
The Nicene Creed.
You do believe in the Trinity, don’t you?
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