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jonfan
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Hello my seperated Prostestant brethren.Is the Bible the Pillar of Truth?
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ricmat
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Based on the response so far…perhaps not. (Note: I’m Catholic, but wanted to give your thread a bump).Hello my seperated Prostestant brethren.Is the Bible the Pillar of Truth?
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Rightlydivide
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=jonfan;2029953]Hello my seperated
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The church.Is the Bible the Pillar of Truth?
What is the church as revealed to the Apostle Paul in the revelation of the mystery?
What must one do to be part of the church and be saved?1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Under the dispensation of Grace as revealed to the Apostle Paul, unknown prior to this revelation, is that salvation is by grace. Those who continue to preach the Gospel of the kingdom are two thousand years behind the times.Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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jonfan
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Hello Rightly Divide. Did you read through 1 Tim 3? You do know this chapter deals with what kind of men are to be put into the clergy? So why would the church be an invisible book? The mystery of Christ is his church that holds the bodfy of believers.
1 Tim
**3:1. A faithful saying: If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth good work. **
Your post implies works are bad.
1 Tim
**3:15. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. **
Also I agree Salvation is a gift from God. This is what the Church teaches. We also follow Jesus’ teaching that to be born again you must be baptized by water and spirit. So yes Catholics are born again.
**John
3:5. Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. **
What is even crazier is that Paul baptized whole households. I wonder how many infants were in those households.
1 Tim
**3:1. A faithful saying: If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth good work. **
Your post implies works are bad.
1 Tim
**3:15. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. **
Also I agree Salvation is a gift from God. This is what the Church teaches. We also follow Jesus’ teaching that to be born again you must be baptized by water and spirit. So yes Catholics are born again.
**John
3:5. Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. **
What is even crazier is that Paul baptized whole households. I wonder how many infants were in those households.
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jonfan
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The church
What is the church as revealed to the Apostle Paul in the revelation of the mystery?
What must one do to be part of the church and be saved?
Under the dispensation of Grace as revealed to the Apostle Paul, unknown prior to this revelation, is that salvation is by grace. Those who continue to preach the Gospel of the kingdom are two thousand years behind the times.
S**o Jesus was wrong in what he taught? **
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Rightlydivide
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You do not understand the mystery of the revelation.So why would the church be an invisible book? The mystery of Christ is his church that holds the bodfy of believers.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;1 Tim
**3:1. A faithful saying: If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth good work. **
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.Your post implies works are bad.
Jewish dispensationAlso I agree Salvation is a gift from God. This is what the Church teaches. We also follow Jesus’ teaching that to be born again you must be baptized by water and spirit. So yes Catholics are born again.
Mar 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast [it] unto the dogs.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
**John
3:5. Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. **
Different dispensation. When is the kingdom of God?
1Cr 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.What is even crazier is that Paul baptized whole households. I wonder how many infants were in those households.
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jonfan
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You do not understand the mystery of the revelation.
**Oh I clearly do. Do you believe an article of faith is a supernatural document? **
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Of one wife… The meaning is not that every bishop should have a ]wife (for St. Paul himself had none), but that no one should be admitted to the holy orders of bishop, priest, or deacon, who had been married more than once.
newadvent.org/bible/1ti003.htm
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
**1 Cor
3:13. Every man’s work shall be manifest. For the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire. And the fire shall try every man’s work, of what sort it is. **
**James
2:24. Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only? **
Jewish dispensation
Mar 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast [it] unto the dogs.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Different dispensation. When is the kingdom of God?
Once again if you read this vs in context Jesus was testing the lady’s faith. He went right along with the Jews and what they were saying to see if the woman had the faith to believe. The woman perservered. And guess what she was granted? Jesus came for all. Do you deny that? If you do you are not saved. He came to establish his church as the mystical body of Christ here on Earth.And you say it is a different dispensation. I ask you again what is the pillar of truth?
1Cr 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
You do Cor: 1 is talking about the world has to be saved by the preaching of the Cross right? When Paul said this he was saying it is Christ that saves through Baptism not Paul who saves through Baptism. Take a look at these vs in context:
1:13. Is Christ divided? Was Paul then crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
**1:14. I give God thanks, that I baptized none of you but Crispus and Caius:
1:15. Lest any should say that you were baptized in my name. **
1:16. And I baptized also the household of Stephanus. Besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
1:17. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.
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Rightlydivide
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If you understood the revelation of the mystery, you would understand a letter from James to the twelve tribes is prior to the revelation of the mystery. There is not grace by faith prior to the revelation of the mystery. That is not the gospel of Grace That is kingdom talk. When is the day of the Lord, Is the body of Christ judged by works on the day of the Lord?
Of course not!
You cannot reconcile the two and you do not have to. It meant what it said.
I am not here to argue doctrine with you though. I must resist and focus on the gospel of grace and how it can lead people to salvation.
Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Was the gospel of the kingdom kept secret?Rom 16:25 ¶ Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Of course not!
You cannot reconcile the two and you do not have to. It meant what it said.
I am not here to argue doctrine with you though. I must resist and focus on the gospel of grace and how it can lead people to salvation.
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jonfan
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If you understood the revelation of the mystery, you would understand a letter from James to the twelve tribes is prior to the revelation of the mystery. There is not grace by faith prior to the revelation of the mystery. That is not the gospel of Grace That is kingdom talk. When is the day of the Lord, Is the body of Christ judged by works on the day of the Lord?
The revelation of Mystery was revealed in the NT. It was a marriage with the OT. Paul didn’t create something new in succesion. He spread the word of Christ that was already known before Paul converted. Please see below.
Isa
**42:6. I the Lord have called thee in justice, and taken thee by the hand, and preserved thee. And I have given thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles:
42:7. That thou mightest open the eyes of the blind, and bring forth the prisoner out of prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. **
**Ephesians
3:1. For this cause, I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ, for you Gentiles:
3:2. If yet you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me towards you:
3:3. How that, according to revelation, the mystery has been made known to me, as I have written above in a few words:
3:4. As you reading, may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ,
3:5. Which in other generations was not known to the sons of men, as it is now revealed to his holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit:
3:6. That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body: and copartners of his promise in Christ Jesus, by the gospel **
**3:7. Of which I am made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God, which is given to me according to the operation of his power. **
Was the gospel of the kingdom kept secret?
Of course not!
You cannot reconcile the two and you do not have to. It meant what it said.
**I think I just did above.It explains God’s mystical body in his church. The revelation of mystery is now present in the PIllar of Truth. We should be one.
**In Ephesians 4:4-6 “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 1:21-22 “And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church, which is His body.”
Colossians 1:18 "And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He may have the preeminence.
This is the real mystery. Communication between the Earth and the Heavens in his body of believers.
I am not here to argue doctrine with you though. I must resist and focus on the gospel of grace and how it can lead people to salvation.
I have no disagreement with that.
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kentuckyliz
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It amazes me when I find those who put Paul over Jesus. Paul’s bones are under the altar at St Paul Outside the Walls, Roma, Italia. He is not resurrected from the dead!
Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
In red-letter edition Bibles, whose words are in red? Paul’s? No. Jesus Christ’s.
Why do Catholics stand for the Gospel readings in church, but not other readings from the Bible? Because the life and teaching of Jesus Christ - who, remember, is God - and it has special prominence of place. God reveals himself and teaches us the way.
Oh yeah, but that was just to be ignored immediately. Yeah right.
How can those who think Paul nullifies Jesus call themselves Christian? They aren’t following Christ! They should be honest and call themselves Paulists.
Re I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
True! Don’t confuse the Jews and Israel - two different things. Israel is bigger. What does Israel include?
The TEN LOST TRIBES! Flung into exile, intermarrying with Gentile dogs (woof that includes me, goy-girl totally, Viking), until they were indistinguishable from the Gentiles. Lost! Lost! Yet God kept promising through his prophets to restore Israel.
How the flock was he going to do that?
By expanding the new covenant to the whole People of God, all the ethne - nations - among whom the lost tribes of Israel disappeared. Jesus made the God of the Jews the God of the Old and New Israel.
That’s Paul’s point in his teachings, especially to the Roman Jews, showing them that Pharisaically separating themselves from the unclean Gentiles wasn’t the way any more. This is how God restored Israel!
The qahal becomes the ekklesia - the worldwide covenant family of God, the People of God. Boom! Not a destruction, a fulfillment.
What was the order of evangelization commissioned by Jesus? Acts 1:8: Jerusalem, all Judea (the Jews), Samaria (proximate lost tribes of Israel, formerly the apostate part of the divided kingdom), the ends of the earth (dispersed lost tribes of Israel all over the world). See? Jesus’ teachings and kingdom are for everyone. Israel = Gentiles!
Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
In red-letter edition Bibles, whose words are in red? Paul’s? No. Jesus Christ’s.
Why do Catholics stand for the Gospel readings in church, but not other readings from the Bible? Because the life and teaching of Jesus Christ - who, remember, is God - and it has special prominence of place. God reveals himself and teaches us the way.
Oh yeah, but that was just to be ignored immediately. Yeah right.
How can those who think Paul nullifies Jesus call themselves Christian? They aren’t following Christ! They should be honest and call themselves Paulists.
Re I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
True! Don’t confuse the Jews and Israel - two different things. Israel is bigger. What does Israel include?
The TEN LOST TRIBES! Flung into exile, intermarrying with Gentile dogs (woof that includes me, goy-girl totally, Viking), until they were indistinguishable from the Gentiles. Lost! Lost! Yet God kept promising through his prophets to restore Israel.
How the flock was he going to do that?
By expanding the new covenant to the whole People of God, all the ethne - nations - among whom the lost tribes of Israel disappeared. Jesus made the God of the Jews the God of the Old and New Israel.
That’s Paul’s point in his teachings, especially to the Roman Jews, showing them that Pharisaically separating themselves from the unclean Gentiles wasn’t the way any more. This is how God restored Israel!
The qahal becomes the ekklesia - the worldwide covenant family of God, the People of God. Boom! Not a destruction, a fulfillment.
What was the order of evangelization commissioned by Jesus? Acts 1:8: Jerusalem, all Judea (the Jews), Samaria (proximate lost tribes of Israel, formerly the apostate part of the divided kingdom), the ends of the earth (dispersed lost tribes of Israel all over the world). See? Jesus’ teachings and kingdom are for everyone. Israel = Gentiles!
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Rightlydivide
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Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles. He is never over God.It amazes me when I find those who put Paul over Jesus.
I pray that no one has defiled his grave and ripped the bones off a corpse.Paul’s bones are under the altar at St Paul Outside the Walls, Roma, Italia. He is not resurrected from the dead!
The revelation of the mystery was taught to Paul by Christ. In Galatians,Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
Compelling.In red-letter edition Bibles, whose words are in red? Paul’s? No. Jesus Christ’s.
Ignored? No, but you must rightly divide.Oh yeah, but that was just to be ignored immediately. Yeah right.
Blasphemy.How can those who think Paul nullifies Jesus call themselves Christian? They aren’t following Christ! They should be honest and call themselves Paulists.
Paul does not nullify Christ. The gospel of the Kingdom is not over yet, I am sure talking about Daniel’s 70th week will be fruitless with a person who thinks anyone worships Paul
Re I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Wrong. Only man can seperate the two. There is no spiritual Israel.True! Don’t confuse the Jews and Israel - two different things. Israel is bigger. What does Israel include?
And he will.The TEN LOST TRIBES! Flung into exile, intermarrying with Gentile dogs (woof that includes me, goy-girl totally, Viking), until they were indistinguishable from the Gentiles. Lost! Lost! Yet God kept promising through his prophets to restore Israel.
Israel is not restored.That’s Paul’s point in his teachings, especially to the Roman Jews, showing them that Pharisaically separating themselves from the unclean Gentiles wasn’t the way any more. This is how God restored Israel!
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jonfan
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Rightly_divided wrote:
Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
You are right. His teachings are in accordance with Jesus teachings so by saying Paul had a new revelation you are nullifying Christ teachings.
In red-letter edition Bibles, whose words are in red? Paul’s? No. Jesus Christ’s.
Why do Catholics stand for the Gospel readings in church, but not other readings from the Bible? Because the life and teaching of Jesus Christ - who, remember, is God - and it has special prominence of place. God reveals himself and teaches us the way.
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Of course he does. He reveals himself through his (Katholik)Church. **
Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
You are right. His teachings are in accordance with Jesus teachings so by saying Paul had a new revelation you are nullifying Christ teachings.
In red-letter edition Bibles, whose words are in red? Paul’s? No. Jesus Christ’s.
Why do Catholics stand for the Gospel readings in church, but not other readings from the Bible? Because the life and teaching of Jesus Christ - who, remember, is God - and it has special prominence of place. God reveals himself and teaches us the way.
**
Of course he does. He reveals himself through his (Katholik)Church. **
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Rightlydivide
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Just to be clear, I have not written anything in this particular post even though my name being used seems to indicate I did. Kentuckyliz wrote the quotes you used.Rightly_divided wrote:
Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
You are right. His teachings are in accordance with Jesus teachings so by saying Paul had a new revelation you are nullifying Christ teachings.
In red-letter edition Bibles, whose words are in red? Paul’s? No. Jesus Christ’s.
Why do Catholics stand for the Gospel readings in church, but not other readings from the Bible? Because the life and teaching of Jesus Christ - who, remember, is God - and it has special prominence of place. God reveals himself and teaches us the way.
**
Of course he does. He reveals himself through his (Katholik)Church. **
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jonfan
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My apologies Rightly_Divided. It didn’t post correctly.Just to be clear, I have not written anything in this particular post even though my name being used seems to indicate I did. Kentuckyliz wrote the quotes you used.
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jonfan
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Here we go R/D.
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Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles. He is never over God.
**His teachings are what you concentrate on though by citing a ‘revelation of mystery’. There are other books in the NT that compliment the Pauline Epsitles all of equal value. **
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Paul’s bones are under the altar at St Paul Outside the Walls, Roma, Italia. He is not resurrected from the dead!
I pray that no one has defiled his grave and ripped the bones off a corpse.
**um… me too. ** :ehh:
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Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
The revelation of the mystery was taught to Paul by Christ. In Galatians,
**Bad exegesis. God is not the author of confusion. Take a look:
2:7. But contrariwise, when they had seen that to me was committed the gospel of theuncircumcision, as to Peter was that of the circumcision.
The gospel of the uncircumcision… The preaching of the gospel to the uncircumcised, that is, to the Gentiles. St. Paul was called in an extraordinary manner to be the apostle of the Gentiles; St. Peter, besides his general commission over the whole flock, (John 21. 15, etc.), had a peculiar charge of the people of the circumcision, that is, of the Jews. **
newadvent.org/bible/gal002.htm
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Oh yeah, but that was just to be ignored immediately. Yeah right.
Ignored? No, but you must rightly divide.
**Once again there is no righteous divide. The Church is one. Paul respected Peter’s authority.
2:11. But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
I withstood, etc… The fault that is here noted in the conduct of St. Peter, was only a certain imprudence, in withdrawing himself from the table of the Gentiles, for fear of giving offence to the Jewish converts; but this, in such circumstances, when his so doing might be of ill consequence to the Gentiles, who might be induced thereby to think themselves obliged to conform to the Jewish way of living, to the prejudice of their Christian liberty. Neither was St. Paul’s reprehending him any argument against his supremacy; for in such cases an inferior may, and sometimes ought, with respect, to admonish his superior. **
newadvent.org/bible/gal002.htm
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How can those who think Paul nullifies Jesus call themselves Christian? They aren’t following Christ! They should be honest and call themselves Paulists.
Blasphemy.
Paul does not nullify Christ. The gospel of the Kingdom is not over yet, I am sure talking about Daniel’s 70th week will be fruitless with a person who thinks anyone worships Paul.
The gospel of the kingdom is not over yet? Are you referring to Revelations? Either way the Kingdom is eternal and embodies Christ mystical Church.
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Re I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
True! Don’t confuse the Jews and Israel - two different things. Israel is bigger. What does Israel include?
Wrong. Only man can seperate the two. There is no spiritual Israel.
**The Jews were Children of the Flesh. We are Children of the Spirit. Christ made that bridge for us. **
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Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles. He is never over God.
**His teachings are what you concentrate on though by citing a ‘revelation of mystery’. There are other books in the NT that compliment the Pauline Epsitles all of equal value. **
Quote:
Paul’s bones are under the altar at St Paul Outside the Walls, Roma, Italia. He is not resurrected from the dead!
I pray that no one has defiled his grave and ripped the bones off a corpse.
**um… me too. ** :ehh:
Quote:
Is Paul God? No. He condemns those who would say they follow him or Apollos; he was glad he didn’t baptize some believers who were following him more than Christ. He nowhere claims that his teachings nullify Jesus’ teachings.
The revelation of the mystery was taught to Paul by Christ. In Galatians,
**Bad exegesis. God is not the author of confusion. Take a look:
2:7. But contrariwise, when they had seen that to me was committed the gospel of theuncircumcision, as to Peter was that of the circumcision.
The gospel of the uncircumcision… The preaching of the gospel to the uncircumcised, that is, to the Gentiles. St. Paul was called in an extraordinary manner to be the apostle of the Gentiles; St. Peter, besides his general commission over the whole flock, (John 21. 15, etc.), had a peculiar charge of the people of the circumcision, that is, of the Jews. **
newadvent.org/bible/gal002.htm
Quote:
Oh yeah, but that was just to be ignored immediately. Yeah right.
Ignored? No, but you must rightly divide.
**Once again there is no righteous divide. The Church is one. Paul respected Peter’s authority.
2:11. But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
I withstood, etc… The fault that is here noted in the conduct of St. Peter, was only a certain imprudence, in withdrawing himself from the table of the Gentiles, for fear of giving offence to the Jewish converts; but this, in such circumstances, when his so doing might be of ill consequence to the Gentiles, who might be induced thereby to think themselves obliged to conform to the Jewish way of living, to the prejudice of their Christian liberty. Neither was St. Paul’s reprehending him any argument against his supremacy; for in such cases an inferior may, and sometimes ought, with respect, to admonish his superior. **
newadvent.org/bible/gal002.htm
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How can those who think Paul nullifies Jesus call themselves Christian? They aren’t following Christ! They should be honest and call themselves Paulists.
Blasphemy.
Paul does not nullify Christ. The gospel of the Kingdom is not over yet, I am sure talking about Daniel’s 70th week will be fruitless with a person who thinks anyone worships Paul.
The gospel of the kingdom is not over yet? Are you referring to Revelations? Either way the Kingdom is eternal and embodies Christ mystical Church.
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Re I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
True! Don’t confuse the Jews and Israel - two different things. Israel is bigger. What does Israel include?
Wrong. Only man can seperate the two. There is no spiritual Israel.
**The Jews were Children of the Flesh. We are Children of the Spirit. Christ made that bridge for us. **
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Rightlydivide
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One major problem we are going to have is you are not quoting the King James Bible, which you do not have to by an means. As a Roman Catholic, it would not be expected. But, is my exegesis bad if you are quoting a Bible that says something completely different than mine? It appears the same experiences that I have in person when debating others who use another Bible, we are at a stand still because of this.
I also made the comment about bones because it is my recollection, and I have not studied the history extensively in this particular matter, that Catholics have defiled the graves of the apostles and other “saints” and ripped bones off their dead corpses and used them as “relics”. If I am incorrect that graves have been defiled, I want to be corrected. I, of course, do not want to accuse people of digging up dead people if I am indeed wrong.
I am curious as to the support about your statement that Paul is under Peter’s authority. Please elaborate on that.
I will ask another question, what is the revelation of the mystery? Please use verses only from the Bible, even if it is the Roman Catholic Bible.
As far as rightly dividing, it is straight from God through the Apostle Paul. I have no choice not to. Any more than you can forget your favorite verse, which if like most Roman Catholics would be in the 16th chapter of the book of Matthew.
I also made the comment about bones because it is my recollection, and I have not studied the history extensively in this particular matter, that Catholics have defiled the graves of the apostles and other “saints” and ripped bones off their dead corpses and used them as “relics”. If I am incorrect that graves have been defiled, I want to be corrected. I, of course, do not want to accuse people of digging up dead people if I am indeed wrong.
I am curious as to the support about your statement that Paul is under Peter’s authority. Please elaborate on that.
I will ask another question, what is the revelation of the mystery? Please use verses only from the Bible, even if it is the Roman Catholic Bible.
As far as rightly dividing, it is straight from God through the Apostle Paul. I have no choice not to. Any more than you can forget your favorite verse, which if like most Roman Catholics would be in the 16th chapter of the book of Matthew.
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Church_Militant
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Then use the Douay-Rheims Bible. Same era English, more accurate and came out 2 years ahead of the KJV.One major problem we are going to have is you are not quoting the King James Bible, which you do not have to by an means. As a Roman Catholic, it would not be expected. But, is my exegesis bad if you are quoting a Bible that says something completely different than mine? It appears the same experiences that I have in person when debating others who use another Bible, we are at a stand still because of this.
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Rightlydivide
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No, that is not a viable option either.Then use the Douay-Rheims Bible. Same era English, more accurate and came out 2 years ahead of the KJV.
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Church_Militant
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Then you may as well pack it in…No, that is not a viable option either.
The King James Version is weak to say the least and has had entire books edited from him by men. I don’t even own one anymore.
The only other possible options are the Revised Standard Version or the New American Bible
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Oh well…One major problem we are going to have is you are not quoting the King James Bible, which you do not have to by an means. As a Roman Catholic, it would not be expected. But, is my exegesis bad if you are quoting a Bible that says something completely different than mine? It appears the same experiences that I have in person when debating others who use another Bible, we are at a stand still because of this.
Sorry but that is a separate topic for another thread. Because it’s off-topic it cannot and shouldn’t be addressed here.I also made the comment about bones because it is my recollection, and I have not studied the history extensively in this particular matter, that Catholics have defiled the graves of the apostles and other “saints” and ripped bones off their dead corpses and used them as “relics”. If I am incorrect that graves have been defiled, I want to be corrected. I, of course, do not want to accuse people of digging up dead people if I am indeed wrong.
Sorry but that is a separate topic for another thread. Because it’s off-topic it cannot and shouldn’t be addressed here.I am curious as to the support about your statement that Paul is under Peter’s authority. Please elaborate on that.
Sorry but that is a separate topic for another thread. Because it’s off-topic it cannot and shouldn’t be addressed here.I will ask another question, what is the revelation of the mystery? Please use verses only from the Bible, even if it is the Roman Catholic Bible.
Maybe you should learn a little Latin and see what my favorite verse is. (Hint: Look at the 28th verse here.)As far as rightly dividing, it is straight from God through the Apostle Paul. I have no choice not to. Any more than you can forget your favorite verse, which if like most Roman Catholics would be in the 16th chapter of the book of Matthew.
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