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So you want God to show up by your chosing and not His. If you cant understand the simple How can you grasp the deep.
I can grasp the simple just fine. We are svaed by grace through faith, and it is a free gift. However, this initial act of faith is not enough we must continue to allow Jesus to work through us. We are not saved just so we can see heaven. We are saved to do the work of God. Those who continue in sin after entering into communion have enraged the Spirit of Grace. If you do not continue to work in love, you have no place in heaven. After all, the gratest of God’s gifts is love. If you want scripture references for this it will take some time but I can provide multiples for each point. You seem to fail to grasp the concept that while we can in no way earn salvation, we owe God everything we have in return.
 
Enough of your little one-line retorts. Give us something of real theological substance. We give you theology and scripture, and you reply with something you would find on a bumper sticker or t-shirt.
Brother Lawrence was not a John Calvin however his simple approach can be very profound.
 
If you continually need someone to show you Christ you dont know Him.
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Did Luther claim Catholics worship Mary (as a demi-goddess)? If he did, he was just as ignorant as modern day fundamentalists.

Erasmus was very critical of the popular cultus of Mary - and he seems to have been fully justified in what he said. If that is in fact what people do, it is not inaccurate say so, even if saying it does not go down well 500 years later. Some of what was said about her is not Christian by any standard, however elastic: the Reformers were re-acting against real abuses & real Mariolatry, even if they over-reacted at times.​

A good book on the history of Marian devotion, in two volumes:
 
I know Jesus. And I also love His Mother. ANd yes you do hate her. You deny her the honor she is due.

If she’s any kind of Christian at all, she won’t be thinking about herself, but about God. If tenth-rate nobodies can see that God matters more than any Saint, surely that is a lesson the Saints in heaven will have grasped by now ?​

 
Who? I know Calvin, but who’s the other guy?

Brother Lawrence of the Resurrection was a 17th-century French Jesuit, who is rembeered for his small book “The Practice of the Presence of God”. It’s been very highly praised by Protestants; it’s one of those books that, like the “Imitation of Christ”, has been very popular outside, as well as inside, the Church its author belonged to.​

 
There is no evidence the 1st century church prayed to Mary and the saints. That did not happen untill some of the churches became paganized.
How exactly did the Church become ‘paganized’? If you believe Christ you must believe everything he said, and not just some… and did he not say to Peter ‘And the gates of hell shall not prevail against you’, while speaking of his Church? You might get some help by reading these tracts, which will hopefully help to give you a bit more of an informed opinion.

catholic.com/library/Mary_Mother_of_God.asp

catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp

catholic.com/library/Intercession_of_the_Saints.asp

The early Church did indeed believe in the intercession of the saints.
 
There is no evidence the 1st century church prayed to Mary and the saints. That did not happen untill some of the churches became paganized.
Obviously first century Christians had no need to pray to Mary, because all they needed to do was walk across the street and ask for her intercession! We do the same today; it makes no difference whether or not Mary is physically present on Earth or not. If you ask friends to pray for you, then you are guilty of the supposed idolatry you accuse us of. We ask those who have finished their course on Earth to pray for us as well. What difference is there?
If you continually need someone to show you Christ you dont know Him.
Do you have a pastor at the Church you attend? If so, you don’t know Christ, because you need someone to help show you the way. Your logic in very much flawed.
 
Is it your logical conclusion that all Catholics do not know Christ?
If you have been following what I have been saying you would know the answer.
Contemplative Prayer (the Jesus prayer) as practiced in monastaries is a great tool to hear Gods voice and to come to know Him. Another tool which Catholics and Protestants alike practice is Practice the presence of God. Each of these is God centered and God will lead yu to Himself-----that is Gods desire that we be with Him wo would He hold back the very thing He wants most?
 
Obviously first century Christians had no need to pray to Mary, because all they needed to do was walk across the street and ask for her intercession! We do the same today; it makes no difference whether or not Mary is physically present on Earth or not.
Wonderful answer 👍
 
Obviously first century Christians had no need to pray to Mary, because all they needed to do was walk across the street and ask for her intercession in person! We do the same today; it makes no difference whether or not Mary is physically present on Earth or not. If you ask friends to pray for you, then you are guilty of the supposed idolatry you accuse us of. We ask those who have finished their course on Earth to pray for us as well. What difference is there?

Do you have a pastor at the Church you attend? If so, you don’t know Christ, because you need someone to help show you the way. Your logic in very much flawed.
But Christ is present both on earth and in heaven. You dont even have to walk across the street because He is in your midst if you believe
Once you are shown Christ you dont need someone to continually show you Christ because then you would know Him and can approach Him. It is your logic that is flawed.
 
But Christ is present both on earth and in heavn. You dont even have to walk across the street because He is in your midst if you believe
You act as if God being omnipresent is a detriment to people asking friends to pray for them. I’m sure you’ve asked your family and friends to pray for you, right? Well, if Christ is in your midst if you believe," then why did you do that? Because God considers others’ prayers as well as your own! Surely God would listen to the petitions of the person he chose to give birth to him. There is no difference between asking someone in earth or someone in heaven to pray for you. In fact, I’d suppose asking those in heaven would be more beneficial, because they can pray continuously without being bothered with things like sleep and our earthly limitations.
 
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