Protestants listen up

[ppasa316]

You may wish to rethink your membership in CAF, in that case the, ppasa. CAF exists to provide Catholic answers. It is not provided as a venue for you “prove” that Catholicism has “false” beliefs that need to be “exposed” by your rendering of the Scriptures through the extrabibical doctrine of SS. If you are here to evangelize Catholics to your “bible based” thinking and faith, then you are in the wrong place.

Nah I know i am in the right place. I have provided scriptures to others, some take it some don’t. Like i said before i was a catholic for many years. I will continue to show catholics where i was taught wrong and hope to show others the truth. Some issues we can agree to disagree but their are others that we must continue the good fight of faith. That being Gods Word. If I get 1 catholic to see the truth then I have done the service that God has led me to do. I truly have a heart for catholics who don’t know the truth. I hope to show them thru scriptures, not what i say but what God says in His Word. Thanks for letting me know that i can leave but i am here to stay. God Bless

 

[1beleevr]

ppasa316: I have met a number of former catholics, and have always been curious as to why they would leave the perfect church(kinda like leaving the perfect marriage)I guess some would say that those who leave were unercatechised, or not that strong in their faith! Some of the reasons I have heard from the former catholics are:“I can no longer justify calling a mortal man Holy Father!” “I learned the Truth!”, I want to marry my fiance, and he’s a Methodist!", “Too many rules!”, among others! I’m glad to hear that you have decided to stay on the forum; you are pleasant addition! I know that this is a catholic debating forum, and my reason for joining was to see if I could learn a little bit more about why catholics beliieve the way they do! I don’t condemn, or hate anyone; Jesus told US to love our neighbor as we love ourselves! Please tell me that is not true, that some parents(as it was told to me by a young female former catholic) disown their children for leaving the church! I have heard of it happening with JW’s and Jewish!

 

[ppasa316]

ppasa316: I have met a number of former catholics, and have always been curious as to why they would leave the perfect church(kinda like leaving the perfect marriage)I guess some would say that those who leave were unercatechised, or not that strong in their faith! Some of the reasons I have heard from the former catholics are:“I can no longer justify calling a mortal man Holy Father!” “I learned the Truth!”, I want to marry my fiance, and he’s a Methodist!", “Too many rules!”, among others! I’m glad to hear that you have decided to stay on the forum; you are pleasant addition! I know that this is a catholic debating forum, and my reason for joining was to see if I could learn a little bit more about why catholics beliieve the way they do! I don’t condemn, or hate anyone; Jesus told US to love our neighbor as we love ourselves! Please tell me that is not true, that some parents(as it was told to me by a young female former catholic) disown their children for leaving the church! I have heard of it happening with JW’s and Jewish!

The reason I left was because I wasn’t learning anything about the Word of God. After 33 yrs of being a Catholic I felt the Lord leading me to a church where I would learn His word.I always prayed before I visited a church and after visiting 2 churches I came across Calvary Chapel. Again I prayed that if this was the church that God wanted to be at, that he would let it be known to me. Right from the beginning I sensed the Holy Spirit leading there. Some might say how do you know if it was just some fuzzy feeling? Well I have been blessed and enjoy being a blessing to others for the last 10 years. I have had my family give me a hard time about leaving the church but it is hard to listen to someone who isn’t a practicing catholic. I did move to the next town because I feet sorry that they wouldn’t even listen or open their bibles. Like i said in my earlier post that i don’t hate catholics. After 33 years I think I can help someone learn where the catholic doctrine is wrong. Their are many issues where we agree but also many where we disagree. Anyway thanks for you comment.

 

[Tomster]

The reason I left was because I wasn’t learning anything about the Word of God. After 33 yrs of being a Catholic I felt the Lord leading me to a church where I would learn His word.I always prayed before I visited a church and after visiting 2 churches I came across Calvary Chapel. Again I prayed that if this was the church that God wanted to be at, that he would let it be known to me. Right from the beginning I sensed the Holy Spirit leading there. Some might say how do you know if it was just some fuzzy feeling? Well I have been blessed and enjoy being a blessing to others for the last 10 years. I have had my family give me a hard time about leaving the church but it is hard to listen to someone who isn’t a practicing catholic. I did move to the next town because I feet sorry that they wouldn’t even listen or open their bibles. Like i said in my earlier post that i don’t hate catholics. After 33 years I think I can help someone learn where the catholic doctrine is wrong. Their are many issues where we agree but also many where we disagree. Anyway thanks for you comment.

And which Catholic doctrines have you infallibly determined to be wrong? Puhleese.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The reason I left was because I wasn’t learning anything about the Word of God. After 33 yrs of being a Catholic I felt the Lord leading me to a church where I would learn His word.I always prayed before I visited a church and after visiting 2 churches I came across Calvary Chapel. Again I prayed that if this was the church that God wanted to be at, that he would let it be known to me. Right from the beginning I sensed the Holy Spirit leading there. Some might say how do you know if it was just some fuzzy feeling? Well I have been blessed and enjoy being a blessing to others for the last 10 years. I have had my family give me a hard time about leaving the church but it is hard to listen to someone who isn’t a practicing catholic. I did move to the next town because I feet sorry that they wouldn’t even listen or open their bibles. Like i said in my earlier post that i don’t hate catholics. After 33 years I think I can help someone learn where the catholic doctrine is wrong. Their are many issues where we agree but also many where we disagree. Anyway thanks for you comment.

Hello ppasa316,

Thanks for sharing your story.

Have you noticed the Catholics here know the Bible fairly well?

The “fuzzy feeling” you speak about, I’ve experienced from day 1 in the Catholic Church.

The only real differences between us is, my wife and my families were supportive of our decision to convert and I feel I can help someone learn where the Protestant beliefs are wrong, though it has been my goal to find our common ground and expound from there, as well as show Protestants that Catholic beliefs are not “man-made” and are actually based on scriptures, whether they agree with the interpretation or not.

Now with all this stated, I hope it’s not your intention to come here and try and convince Catholics that their belief is wrong. To say so, would be to insinuate one does not believe Catholics are Christians, which is totally untrue.

The Catholic Church has a long and spirit filled history. Calvary Chapel on the other hand, is a relatively new Church, which was started in 1965, and most of my experience of being discussions with people from Calvary Chapel proved them to be very anti-Catholic.

Where we all agree, Catholics and Protestants, is from the Holy Spirit. Where we disagree is not. That brings us to search for the Church with authority. Even with the great schism of 1054, there was only Churches with Catholic doctrines. The Protestant reformation happened in the 1500s and they came from the Catholic Church. That alone should show someone which Church is the authoritative Church, otherwise it shows doubt in Christ’s promises and ability to keep His word to be with His Church until the consummation of the world.

 

[jlhargus]

And which Catholic doctrines have you infallibly determined to be wrong? Puhleese.

JL: That’s funny, I have learned more about the bible being Catholic and still learning, scripture is inexhaustible. By the way as an adult you have to take responsiblitity for your spiritual growth and studying scripture, Catholic or Protestant. I bet you never even read the NT in all the 33 years you were Catholic, that would be your fault.

I had never heard of Calvary Chapel until three years ago on another line. My experience it is anti-Catholic and targets Catholics specifically. Especially those who do not know their faith and scripture. I hope you stick around and learn the truth you left behind. I notice you did not take up my challenge in post 951.

 

[The_Question]

Sorry, I could not find it. Do you not believe that all sins are forgiven in baptism?

The Apostles taught that there were two kinds of sins, mortal and non-mortal (venial). Mortal sins kill the Life of the soul by driving out the Grace that He has poured into our hearts. It is these sins that “crucfy the son of God afresh”.

Venial sins can be confessed through prayer, but mortal sins require confession to the elder (priest). This is why the Apostle states that we should not “pray” for mortal sins. We can, of course, but unless we recieve the remission of sins from those appointed by Christ, the sin is retained.

1 John 5:16-17
16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

I thought this was a thread about Mary…anyway, why is it that the sins that seemed to be at the top of Jesus’ concerns are not even on the list of ‘mortal’ sins? Jesus and James seemed to indicate that ANY sin could keep a person out of heaven, and there was no listing of ‘mortal’ sins. ???

 

[The_Question]

But the problem is on what authority do you go by to reject the teachings of the Catholic Church. If you say that you are a Catholic and you left the Catholic Faith your soul is in grave danger.

Awww, dear, no one’s soul is in any danger just for leaving the RCC! Just don’t leave Jesus Christ!

 

[Zundrah]

This is a very good question, and an excellent example of why modern day Protestants cannot be charged with the sins of heresy.

Most non-Catholic Christians here in America are Protestants. In other areas of the world, many are Orthodox.

Welcome to CAF,a nd thanks for posting.

I feel like a fool now, but can you tell me what Orthodox is too? Also what is Heresy?

:compcoff:

 

[Zundrah]

This is another excellent question. Jesus only founded One Church, and only has One Body. It was His desire that we “all be One”. All those who are not Catholic have been separated from the One Church founded by Christ - usually through pride, arrogance, misunderstanding and a number of other human failings.

Apparently the church split off from catholic in the year sixteen hundred. They were prodestent and now there are loads of other “split offs” that left because of dissagreement of doctrines. Now there are strange cults like the mormons…they’re mad.
But I didn’t really think that my (methodist) church could be any different to your catholic one. But I will attend a sunday service and see what it’s like soon.
Coming on this site is quite educating.
:heaven:

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Awww, dear, no one’s soul is in any danger just for leaving the RCC! Just don’t leave Jesus Christ!

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins:
Heb 10:27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries.

 

[Louie1983]

Awww, dear, no one’s soul is in any danger just for leaving the RCC! Just don’t leave Jesus Christ!

To leave the catholic church is to leave Jesus Christ!

 

[CWBetts]

I feel like a fool now, but can you tell me what Orthodox is too? Also what is Heresy?

:compcoff:

Orthodox (with a capital “O”) is any one of the eastern churches that split off from the Catholic Church in the schism of 1094. Instead of the Pope, each major branch of orthodoxy has its own Patriarch. I know little else of Orthodoxy. A Heresy is a false teaching.

 

[rinnie]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins:
Heb 10:27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries.

Thanks PS you beat me to it. I don’t have alot of time today but am trying to catch up. That is EXACTLY the scripture I had in mind. And if we are Catholic and know the faith, and still reject it our soul is in grave danger. THat is the teaching of Pope. Now I understand that there are many (most) protestants who reject the Pope and could care less of his authority but as Catholics we acknowledge it. We obey. We accept the Apostolic teachings God told us to. We are not saying we always like them, but we obey the word of God as taught to us through the Power of the Holy Spirit that was given to our Church.

 

[rinnie]

I think it is clear that she never really was Catholic. Her story reminds me a lot of myself. I, too, sat in the pews for years, taking Eucharist in a state of mortal sin, “bored” with the Mass, unable to hear the word of God. My excuse for leaving the Church was that I was 'spiritually starving". Now, when a person can starve with so much food in front of them, it is pretty much clear that it is the person themselves, not perceiving the food, who has the problem. God was gracious to me, though, He knew that I needed to be evangelized, and the Catechesis I receivedhad failed to do this for me. I was yearning for God, and His word. I left the CC for a Southern Baptist youth fellowship, and it was there that I learned to read and appreciate the Scripture. Let ppsasa be in your prayers, for God is merciful, and no one that calls upon His name will be lost.

Guan, I only have three words for your personally! YOU ARE AWESOME! THere is only 1 thing that I disagree with you on, and thats okay. But what people do not understand about Catholics when it comes to the Word of God, and The OFFICIAL TEACHING of the Church, we all as Catholics Agree. That is why we are the true Church because we are not separated in Brothers.

 

[rinnie]

rinnie: It is quite commendable that you come to the defense of CW, but I am sure that he can take it as well as dish it out And as far as the issue of the Peace of Christ, I never meant it as a personal attack, or a criticism; just thinking out loud, remembering how I used to be before I had the Peace! And there is a lot of patting on the back going on in this forum, on both sides! I perceived by his abrasive statements, that CW was implying that, I only worship, and serve my God on Sunday; so I merely listed the ministies that I am regularly involved in! And it was not to glorify myself, but rather saying “Thank You, Lord for opening doors of opportunity for me to serve You by ministering to others! Read post#926 again, and tell me if you believe that it shows the love of Christ Do I have any hard feelings, over this post? Not really; I chuckled over some of the rants, but took a few days, composed what I believed to be a sufficient reply and sent it! One question, in one of your more recent posts, you said something to the effect of"the Father wouldn’t allow it!” Do you mean God wouldn’t allow it? He is the only one that I recognize as HOLY FATHER!!

What I think he was trying to relay to you is we do not just go by the bible. It is the word of God but it is the teaching of God that we must realize. The bible does not Teach. The bible does not have the authority to teach. The Church does. Now I think that you and I are establishing a relationship here that I can say something to you, but even though its hard, you are beginning to learn my personality. Anything I say to you or anyone is said in love and kindness. But If I was talking to you in person my voice would show that. So sometimes what we write is written out of our heart, but can be taken another way if we let it.

I myself have to watch because I pull peoples chain alot, to lighten things up and then get in trouble.

One time I told people that I had a aunt who was 87 my sister was taking care of her. I said the Good Lord didn’t want her and the devil was afraid she would take over the place. You would not believe the hate e-mails I got over that. But just as that was taken out of context so can the bible and how we relate to eachother. Sometimes we do get a little testy we are human. Me and Mickey really got into it. Now he’s one of my best internet budd’ys on this post. Give it time, trust me you will come to love and respect him if you try hard enough.

 

[racing59]

Thanks PS you beat me to it. I don’t have alot of time today but am trying to catch up. That is EXACTLY the scripture I had in mind. And if we are Catholic and know the faith, and still reject it our soul is in grave danger. THat is the teaching of Pope. Now I understand that there are many (most) protestants who reject the Pope and could care less of his authority but as Catholics we acknowledge it. We obey. We accept the Apostolic teachings God told us to. We are not saying we always like them, but we obey the word of God as taught to us through the Power of the Holy Spirit that was given to our Church.

I think one needs to be careful here. Would a Catholic leave if the had full Truth? Second what is Full Truth? To everyone it is different. To a Catholic it is following the teachings of the Catholic Faith.Full Truth to me is understanding all I can of Scripture and walking with Jesus Christ.Some people leave the Church because they have been gravely wounded. Then they are judge for leaving. A hand does not say to a foot, “I don’t need you.”
Peace

 

[CWBetts]

rinnie: The Peace of Christ, allows one to be calm in situations, where once one was anxious, nervous, unsettled, or in your case, losing patience with someone who was irritating them I mean just read post#926 CW Betts is furious with me, hurling insult after insult, judgement after judgement! And how did I respond? Well, before I knew the Peace of Christ, I probably would have fired off an equally nasty reply Ever hear that saying,“Like water off a duck’s back”, or “Turn the other cheek”. People are going to disagree with you rinnie, hate to burst your bubble! But it doesn’t mean that we all necessarily hate catholics, because we don’t agree with them! I am glad to hear about your husband, though! Sounds as though you didn’t put the burden of converting on him; but let him choose for himself. I always wondered about that, because I have a catholic friend, who has been married for nearly 38 years, and said that his wife has not fully embraced the catholic lifestyle, and doesn’t appear inclined to! Is the non-catholic in the relationship obligated to convert, or can they live their whole lives together, as members of their respective religions? Happily, my wife and I are equally yoked, both non-denominational:thumbsup: What a true joy it is to serve the Lord as husband and wife, doing street ministry, outreaches for Christ, feeding the homeless, and many other wonderful acts of service to Our God!

What insult? What judgement of you? I do judge Fundamentalism harshly, because it is not of God, but the brainchild of men. I used to attend a Fundamentalist Church, so I know of the compenduim of errors that they try to proclaim as truth.

 

[1beleevr]

CW: I may be wrong, but to me, the tone of post#926, was very accusatory, and judgemental, i.e, “You ignore, you ignore, you ignore…” And,“You dress up on Sunday, and then Monday, it’s business as usual!” Pretty bold statements to make about someone you haven’t met! And, contrary to what rinnie believes, I did not list all of my service to my God, to pat myself on the back, but rather to refute your assertion that(as I interpreted it) a Sunday-only Christians! You know, whether we admit or not, most of us human beings, are anti-something; it just seems to me that there are some who take it more personally! That is why I was talking to rinnie about the Peace of Christ, which for me, has allowed me to be more tolerant, more humble, and more forgiving! I do not hate anyone, not catholics, not Muslims, no one! Jesus has taught me how to be more loving and accepting; and I have discovered that it is difficult to live this Christian life on my own! That is why, I am learning, thanks to the Holy Spirit, to let Jesus live His life through me. I try really hard, not to get caught up in all the drama of religion versus religion, and temper anger with love. And while I know that Jesus’s original audience were His disciples, I cannot read my Bible, without knowing that His words, today, 2000+ years later speak directly to me! Though I have never met you, and may not until we meet in Heaven, I respect and love you as a brother in Christ, in spite of our differences! May the Peace of Christ be with you:thumbsup:

 

[rinnie]

I think one needs to be careful here. Would a Catholic leave if the had full Truth? Second what is Full Truth? To everyone it is different. To a Catholic it is following the teachings of the Catholic Faith.Full Truth to me is understanding all I can of Scripture and walking with Jesus Christ.Some people leave the Church because they have been gravely wounded. Then they are judge for leaving. A hand does not say to a foot, “I don’t need you.”
Peace

I undertand what you are saying racing, But you must realize this. What is the fullness of the truth. It has to be all of the Apostolic Teaching’s. Would you not agree. Now we have the bible, the word of God. Yes. But not all is written. Much Much is relayed by word of mouth. Would you not agree. The bible even tells us that. Now everything in the bible IS the word of God, No one can dispute that. Now we have problem number 1.

Okay lets start with language. We have Mary who was STONED in the bible. They threw stones at people.

Now I say to you I saw my friend today and she was stoned. That today means she was high. Problem number 2 words in the bible what did they mean 2000 years ago,. Thats where sacred and oral tradition have to be part of scripture. Only the Catholic Church has it, Would you not agree? That’s why it tells the rest of the story, or the parts of the story the bible does not contain. The bible does not contain ALL OF THE TRUTH. THe CHurch does. Will you agree with me on that so far?