Protestants, Orthodox and Corinthians?

[SavedbyHisBlood]

Respectfully, and out of curiosity, what are some Orthodox and Protestant responses to the following verses?

1 Corinthians 1:10-13

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be** no schisms among you**; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been signified unto me, my brethren, of you, by them that are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith: I indeed am of Paul; and I am of Apollo; and I am of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul then crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

(Verses thanks to drbo.org/chapter/53001.htm Douey Rheims version)

Charitable responses and conversations only please, thanks!

 

[Mickey]

Respectfully, and out of curiosity, what are some Orthodox and Protestant responses to the following verses?

There is a book written by Kyr Elias Zoghby–a Bishop of the Melkite Greek-Catholic Church (of blessed memory) called:

"We Are All Schismatics"

---

**You should read it. **

 

[schaick]

Some of us don’t see a division or schism, simply a diverse Church.

All Trinitarian Christians hold the same basic tenets of Christianity.

We simply celebrate those same basic beliefs differently.

1 Corinthians 12
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body

 

[Nine_Two]

Respectfully, and out of curiosity, what are some Orthodox and Protestant responses to the following verses?

1 Corinthians 1:10-13

(Verses thanks to drbo.org/chapter/53001.htm Douey Rheims version)

Charitable responses and conversations only please, thanks!

We hold that the Catholic Church is in schism with the rest of the communion, so we have no problems with the verse.

 

[JonNC]

Respectfully, and out of curiosity, what are some Orthodox and Protestant responses to the following verses?

1 Corinthians 1:10-13

(Verses thanks to drbo.org/chapter/53001.htm Douey Rheims version)

Charitable responses and conversations only please, thanks!

I believe it is a sin of all Christians that His Church is in schism and division.
How, then, do we resolve it?
I am Lutheran, and therefore separated from Orthodoxy, and Rome, and other western non-Catholic Christian communions. Were I to convert to Catholicism, I would them be separated from Lutherans, and continue to be separated from the others.

All of us are in Schism, and it is a wound to His Church and ministry. Do you have a reasonable solution?

Jon

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I hear you, Jon. The Orthodox so confidently cast off the Catholics as schismatics with innovations supposedly cooked up in the Middle Ages. The Catholics consider the Orthodox “defective” because they lack the papacy and thus the Rock. Both consider Lutherans way out of line with sola scriptura and no apostolic succession, and Lutherans consider both to have strayed from the gospel to some degree. What a mess. I just pray God will have mercy on all of us and know we have the intention to love Him and serve Him in the best way we can with what our pea brains can comprehend, know, and wrestle with in our hearts. I agree with you that schism is unacceptable. But I don’t see any hint or glimmer of hope for reconciliation between any of these three (and there are a lot more than these three!). It is encouraging to see some Anglicans uniting with Rome in the ordinariates but the reality is that legions of Anglicans, the vast majority, are remaining Anglican because the majority are evangelicals, not Anglo-Catholics. Catholicism and Orthodoxy seem to turn more and more inward and the evangelical churches seem to turn more chaotic and vague in their once-confessional beliefs. What a mess…

Hope you have a blessed Lent, Jon.

I believe it is a sin of all Christians that His Church is in schism and division.
How, then, do we resolve it?
I am Lutheran, and therefore separated from Orthodoxy, and Rome, and other western non-Catholic Christian communions. Were I to convert to Catholicism, I would them be separated from Lutherans, and continue to be separated from the others.

All of us are in Schism, and it is a wound to His Church and ministry. Do you have a reasonable solution?

Jon

 

[Hesychios]

There is a book written by Kyr Elias Zoghby–a Bishop of the Melkite Greek-Catholic Church (of blessed memory) called:

"We Are All Schismatics"

You should read it.

An excellent suggestion, my brother.

Also, I think it rather significant that two Orthodox Christians can agree in recommending a Catholic author.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/7a/f2/6327b2c008a01433b4c86010.L.SX120.jpg

All of us are in Schism, and it is a wound to His Church and ministry.

Agreed.

I hear you, Jon. … What a mess. I just pray God will have mercy on all of us and know we have the intention to love Him and serve Him in the best way we can with what our pea brains can comprehend, know, and wrestle with in our hearts. … What a mess…

Well put.

I share in your prayer, Amen.

 

[JonNC]

I But I don’t see any hint or glimmer of hope for reconciliation between any of these three (and there are a lot more than these three!).

Hi Scott,
Hope you and yours are well.
Beyond dialogue and prayer, I think Michael here made the best suggestion I have ever heard (and I hope I weel represent it here, if I don’t, Michael, correct me): a true ecumenical council, bringing willing communions together, to go back to the writings of the Church prior to the schism, and come to agreement on articles of faith.
I could see a great deal coming from that.

Hope you have a blessed Lent, Jon

And you also,
Jon

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I just couldn’t imagine how the logistics and actual event would play out or occur at all. Orthodox make it clear that, until the Church dumps the filioque, the monarchical papacy, and several other things, no dice. The Church is making clear that the Orthodox need to embrace the papacy as the universal primate of all Christendom or no dice. And the Lutherans see Scripture as the sole authority in all Christian matters period. That is a recipe, IMO, for some tough logistics. But I share your ecumenical spirit, the hope, the outrage and schism and disarray, the yearning for what Jesus says regarding us all being one, and the warm thoughts of Chrisian brotherhood. I see something great in all three parties mentioned. In the Lutherans we learn the love for Scripture and how important it is in guiding the Church in decision-making. We learn to emphasize faith in Christ over our constant self-doubt and guilt, and we learn to look at the love and forgiveness of God over everything. In Orthodoxy we learn to appreciate the beauty of liturgy and not to mess with something that works and is beautiful. That hillbilly saying, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” really applies to the Orthodox. They’ve faithfully kept so much in tact without innovation and ruining a good thing. The mysticism, majesty, and beauty of God is abundant there. And the iconography, art, and visible beauty is timeless. Then the Catholic Church presents clarity of authority and the importance of having someone at the helm. It provides that final piece–Peter. It provides discipline, moral clarity and freedom from chaos.

Hi Scott,
Hope you and yours are well.
Beyond dialogue and prayer, I think Michael here made the best suggestion I have ever heard (and I hope I weel represent it here, if I don’t, Michael, correct me): a true ecumenical council, bringing willing communions together, to go back to the writings of the Church prior to the schism, and come to agreement on articles of faith.
I could see a great deal coming from that.

And you also,
Jon

 

[Mickey]

The Church is making clear that the Orthodox need to embrace the papacy as the universal primate of all Christendom or no dice. And the Lutherans see Scripture as the sole authority in all Christian matters period.

Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium.
[Joseph Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology (San Francisco*, CA: Ignatius Press]******

Certainly, no one who claims allegiance to Catholic theology can simply declare the doctrine of primacy null and void, especially not if he seeks to understand the objections and evaluates with an open mind the relative weight of what can be determined historically. Nor is it possible, on the other hand, for him to regard as the only possible form and, consequently, as binding on all Christians the form this primacy has taken in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. The symbolic gestures of Pope Paul VI and, in particular, his kneeling before the representative of the Ecumenical Patriarch were an attempt to express precisely this and, by such signs, to point the way out of the historical impasse.
*[Joseph Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology (San Francisco, CA: Ignatius Press, 1987), p. 198]

 

[schaick]

I believe it is a sin of all Christians that His Church is in schism and division.
How, then, do we resolve it?
I am Lutheran, and therefore separated from Orthodoxy, and Rome, and other western non-Catholic Christian communions. Were I to convert to Catholicism, I would them be separated from Lutherans, and continue to be separated from the others.

All of us are in Schism, and it is a wound to His Church and ministry. Do you have a reasonable solution?

Jon

When I first read your post I thought it said:

It is sin that causes Christians [Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, etc.] to be in schism from Jesus’ Church.