Protestants: please stop using the label "Bible-believing"

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greggy53 said:
We know that God often makes good things come from the bad things that happen in our lives. Perhaps it is this way with the so- called reformation. It was a bad thing to say the least, but perhaps some good may fow from it. I don’t think that is out of the question.
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Might as well follow the devil - according to your reasoning ‘some good may flow from it.’ And the devil is a ministering angel. Sure? Not ‘out of the question’.
 
Zundrah said:
greggy53;5737565:
Aw come on you know what she was saying…And you are saying that the Church that Jesus established was heretical for 1500 years?/
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Yes.

What evidence do you have that this is true? Especially when our Lord said the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church? You are in fact saying that our Lord was in error when he created his Church. I don’t know much about what the Methodists believe but The God of the Catholics is perfect, and his word is without error, and he and his Church are one.
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greggy53 said:
Zundrah;5738396:
What evidence do you have that this is true? Especially when our Lord said the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church? You are in fact saying that our Lord was in error when he created his Church. I don’t know much about what the Methodists believe but The God of the Catholics is perfect, and his word is without error, and he and his Church are one.
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Christ said no errors, but there is heresy today from the church but not from the words of christ.
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Zundrah said:
greggy53;5738459:
Christ said no errors, but there is heresy today from the church but not from the words of christ.
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Jesus never said there would be no errors. He said the gates of Hell would not prevail against his Church. That church is the Catholic Church. If there is heresy it has come from those who have left His Chruch and preached a new gospel.

Where is you evidence???
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greggy53 said:
Zundrah;5738475:
Jesus never said there would be no errors. He said the gates of Hell would not prevail against his Church. That church is the Catholic Church. If there is heresy it has come from those who have left His Chruch and preached a new gospel.

Where is you evidence???
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He said that the gates of hell would not prevail againtst it and it hasn’t, hence all the people and sect’s that have had to leave the catholic church because of RCC heretics.
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He said that the gates of hell would not prevail againtst it and it hasn’t, hence all the people and sect’s that have had to leave the catholic church because of RCC heretics.
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Jessica, having decided not to join the Catholic Church don’t further the damage to yourself by embracing the rhetoric of the most know-nothing anti-Catholics in order to justify your exit. :tsktsk:
 
Zundrah said:
He said that the gates of hell would not prevail againtst it and it hasn’t, hence all the people and sect’s that have had to leave the catholic church because of RCC heretics.
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Evidence please…
 
Zundrah said:
He said that the gates of hell would not prevail againtst it and it hasn’t, hence all the people and sect’s that have had to leave the catholic church because of RCC heretics.
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Actually since all of the Christians for the first 1500 years were Catholic Christians I don’t think you could accuse the Catholic church of heresy; Apostasy perhaps but not heresy. Still an accusation is just that until you provide evidence.
Evidence please…
 
greggy53 said:
Actually since all of the Christians for the first 1500 years were Catholic Christians I don’t think you could accuse the Catholic church of heresy; Apostasy perhaps but not heresy. Still an accusation is just that until you provide evidence.
Evidence please…
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…just give me a minite!
 
FCEGM said:
Jessica, having decided not to join the Catholic Church don’t further the damage to yourself by embracing the rhetoric of the most know-nothing anti-Catholics in order to justify your exit. :tsktsk:
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Huh, why do you say that? 😦 I’m not making excuses (and by the way FCEGM my name is Jennifer.) Bless, you are too cute!😉

The heresy I mention is the heretical interpritation of the scripture “I am the bread of life.”
The Eucharist.
I am being serious here FCEGM, please appreciate that I’m not being your average protestant, I’m have come to realise that catholicism is inconsistant… Fill in the gaps if you will please but I think I have made my mind up, until further notice…
 
greggy53 said:
Actually since all of the Christians for the first 1500 years were Catholic Christians I don’t think you could accuse the Catholic church of heresy; Apostasy perhaps but not heresy. Still an accusation is just that until you provide evidence.
Evidence please…
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John chapter 6

60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The **Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. **The words I have spoken to you are spirit[a] and they are life.
 
Zundrah said:
John chapter 6

60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The **Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. **The words I have spoken to you are spirit[a] and they are life.
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That’s not evidence, just your misinterpretation of the scriptures. Here is the correct interpretation as taught by the Christian Church for the past 2000 years:
64 “The flesh profiteth nothing”… Dead flesh separated from the spirit, in the gross manner they supposed they were to eat his flesh, would profit nothing. Neither doth man’s flesh, that is to say, man’s natural and carnal apprehension, (which refuses to be subject to the spirit, and words of Christ,) profit any thing. But it would be the height of blasphemy, to say the living flesh of Christ (which we receive in the blessed sacrament, with his spirit, that is, with his soul and divinity) profiteth nothing. For if Christ’s flesh had profited us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us.
64 “Are spirit and life”… By proposing to you a heavenly sacrament, in which you shall receive, in a wonderful manner, spirit, grace, and life, in its very fountain.

Now, if the church were to stop believing , and participating in this most holy sacrament (God forbid) that would be heresy!..Like the heresy you obviously practice.
 
greggy53 said:
That’s not evidence, just your misinterpretation of the scriptures. Here is the correct interpretation as taught by the Christian Church for the past 2000 years:
64 “The flesh profiteth nothing”… Dead flesh separated from the spirit, in the gross manner they supposed they were to eat his flesh, would profit nothing. Neither doth man’s flesh, that is to say, man’s natural and carnal apprehension, (which refuses to be subject to the spirit, and words of Christ,) profit any thing. But it would be the height of blasphemy, to say the living flesh of Christ (which we receive in the blessed sacrament, with his spirit, that is, with his soul and divinity) profiteth nothing. For if Christ’s flesh had profited us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us.
64 “Are spirit and life”… By proposing to you a heavenly sacrament, in which you shall receive, in a wonderful manner, spirit, grace, and life, in its very fountain.

Now, if the church were to stop believing , and participating in this most holy sacrament (God forbid) that would be heresy!..Like the heresy you obviously practice.
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My friend, what you just expained was heresy.
 
Tanner9188 said:
Remember what I said about the spirituality versus the physicality of flesh. To believe in a real presence of eating flesh; is to forgo the true sense of the message and quite frankly it is receiving the Lords Supper in an unworthy manner according to Scripture. This is but one of a few reasons why it is non-Biblical; another would be the administers of the Lords Supper; a non-existent priesthood from the Biblical perspective.

John 6:63 is the very words of Jesus concerning the manner (spiritual) He spoke. This is not the only time Jesus contrasted to clarify, as not to confuse, the flesh with the spirit. He did the same thing when speaking with Nicodemus and a few times Paul makes similar analogies in Romans 8.

Joh 6:63 -
"It is the **Spirit who gives life;***the flesh profits nothing; the ******words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
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**This is the point of the whole message.
***stay away from the fleshy part
**** in case you did not get it the first time, let me repeat it

JL: Yet after Christ gave the so called, it’s only a symbol, many of HIS DISCIPLES followed him no more. Why after Jn6:63 would they leave? Answer everyone knew he was speaking literally. Jn6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

[1Cor11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.] Those receiving unworthily did not DISCERN the body and blood. Since they didn’t DISCERN the body and blood they must have DISCERNED it was not the body and blood but a symbol. There is only two ways to discern either it is or it is not. The unworthy discerned it was not the body and blood of Christ.

You must be fighting wild fires in California, no post after Sep2.
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Zundrah said:
Huh, why do you say that?
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Because that’s precisely what I see you doing in your latest incarnation as a “Hard Core Methodist”.
I’m not making excuses
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No, you’re justifying your exit from Catholicism by making ignorant assertions about “heresy” this and “heresy” that.
(and by the way FCEGM my name is Jennifer.)
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Yes, I know; sorry about that.
The heresy I mention is the heretical interpritation of the scripture "I am the bread of life."The Eucharist.
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You have no authority to determine just what is or isn’t a heresy.
I am being serious here FCEGM, please appreciate that I’m not being your average protestant
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And yet from what I’ve seen of your recent posts, you’re sounding more like a page out of a Jack Chick “comic”.
I’m have come to realise that catholicism is inconsistant… Fill in the gaps if you will please but I think I have made my mind up, until further notice…
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Many, many of us have tried to help you with this, Jennifer, but you seem to prefer the quick thought rather than the deep study. I hope someday you will allow the words of the prayer you still include as part of your signature to form you.
 
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