Protestants somewhat maintain Catholic traditions

[Kitty_Chan]

ps myself I like a mix, of hymns (all the verses not just 2) and worship songs, and solos.

I know people get weird about music, its a shortcoming. It was one of the forces that split my Baptist church, that and the Pastor preached “too close to home” People didnt like him stating truth another shortcoming of the people choosing the Pastor. It was the second one I saw that happen to.

ps please dont leap on this post as a I told you deal, Im only being honest.

 

[colliric]

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

No that’s not right, that is the King James Version which ADDS the salutation to Matthew 6:13… sorry but the Verse is only:

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen

• Douay Rheims Translation

oh and in case your absoulty not sure here’s what one of the most famous Protestant Bibles says:

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

• NIV

Only Later manuscripts use the Salutation, earlier manuscripts do not therefore most bibles with exception of the KJV do not use the salutation as it was likely not used by Christ.

 

[Rightlydivide]

No that’s not right, that is the King James Version which ADDS the salutation to Matthew 6:13… sorry but the Verse is only:

This thread has already been split off. But just so you know, many ancient manuscripts do have this ending, as another poster points out. But lest you think the Authorizeed Version was the first to “add” it, it is in the 1599 Geneva Bible.
It is also in the Tyndale Bible as well 60 years earlier.

 

[Little_Mary]

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Sorry, but that is not correct. The “for thine is the kingdom…” part was added to the body of scripture in error. Do a little more research and you will see for yourself.

 

[Little_Mary]

This thread has already been split off. But just so you know, many ancient manuscripts do have this ending, as another poster points out. But lest you think the Authorizeed Version was the first to “add” it, it is in the 1599 Geneva Bible.
It is also in the Tyndale Bible as well 60 years earlier.

Go back a little further.

 

[colliric]

Go back a little further.

yeah thats my point… the earlier manuscripts did not have it, including the Vulgate, etc.

 

[Rightlydivide]

yeah thats my point… the earlier manuscripts did not have it, including the Vulgate, etc.

In the Matthew account, the earliest Greek manuscript to include the doxology is dated in the 400’s. There are a few Greek manuscripts that are a little earlier than this (the 300’s) that do not have the doxology. However, there are some versions (Bible translations) such as a Latin translation, a Coptic translation, and a Syriac translation (which are as early as the earliest Greek manuscripts) that do include the doxology.

 

[Sandi]

yep… and yet they refuse to accept the old testament canon set at exactly the same council… How hypocritical. They pick and choose the canon list they liked, yet they refuse to accept the same church which gave them the finalized NT canon as having been right on the old testament too.

Or perhaps they have simply had the wool pulled over their eyes, most protestants don’t even have a basic understanding of how these books were canonised and think that they were canonised in the 16th century as a response to Luther.

And how many Catholics have a basic understanding of how the books of the bible were canonized?

You know, I get really tired of rude and insulting terms being used for non-Catholics. If you think they’re in error, that’s fine. But to denigrate the depth of their sincere faith is very uncharitable and un-Christian.

After all, Jesus did deign to talk to the woman at the well who wasn’t the right kind of Jew. I think the rest of us lesser mortals should emulate our Master, both in his actions and attitudes.

 

[Mannyfit75]

And how many Catholics have a basic understanding of how the books of the bible were canonized?

I think most Catholics in this forum know how the Bible was canonized. It was the Catholic Church who listed the canon of Scripture both OT and NT into One Book the Bible.

 

[sandmountainsli]

I think most Catholics in this forum know how the Bible was canonized. It was the Catholic Church who listed the canon of Scripture both OT and NT into One Book the Bible.

I would say that most Protestants in this forum know the same.
You cannot judge all Catholics and Protestants by this forum…it is for people who read
WP

 

[Abira]

I would say that most Protestants in this forum know the same.
You cannot judge all Catholics and Protestants by this forum…it is for people who read
WP

I agree, I had this discussion in an ‘uncatholic catholics’ thread as some Catholics I met in real life were so uneducated about their faith that it surprised me a little,well a lot really… and to be fair I think that when people grow up in a faith and never have to question it, they don’t have a great deal of learning, I’d include myself there. I probably know more about Catholicism than my own faith lol

I would blanket that earlier statement for all Christians, I don’t think that many do have a great ‘knowledge’, whereas for me I felt drawn to learning bits about my faith I respect that some people feel this on an emotional level and don’t feel the need to engage academically.

S