Protestants teaching Catholics?

[tdandh26]

After the gospel today at Mass, the priest said something that disturbed me greatly. The gospel was from Mark. He began by telling us that at the beginning of the liturgical year the archdiocese had hired a female protestant theologin to teach the priests about the way to understand and read Mark’s gospel. I almost fell out of the pew. This came on the heels of last night at CCD where I am the hall monitor. The 5th grade teacher was absent so I sat in the room while a 15 year old student teacher gave the class. I had to watch in horror as these children joked around and couldnt answer questions simple enough that my 6 year old can answer. The student teacher didnt even bother to tell them the correct answer but rather continued as if no one had said anything.

What in the world is going on, where is proper Catholic teaching coming from? Children not learning their faith properly. Priests being instructed on how to interpret scripture from protestants. That like asking a child to teach college courses. I am very sad at these two situations. Is there anything we can do besides pray.

 

[palmas85]

tdandh26:

After the gospel today at Mass, the priest said something that disturbed me greatly. The gospel was from Mark. He began by telling us that at the beginning of the liturgical year the archdiocese had hired a female protestant theologin to teach the priests about the way to understand and read Mark’s gospel. I almost fell out of the pew. This came on the heels of last night at CCD where I am the hall monitor. The 5th grade teacher was absent so I sat in the room while a 15 year old student teacher gave the class. I had to watch in horror as these children joked around and couldnt answer questions simple enough that my 6 year old can answer. The student teacher didnt even bother to tell them the correct answer but rather continued as if no one had said anything.

What in the world is going on, where is proper Catholic teaching coming from? Children not learning their faith properly. Priests being instructed on how to interpret scripture from protestants. That like asking a child to teach college courses. I am very sad at these two situations. Is there anything we can do besides pray.

You should be pleased!!! This is evidence of the value of ecumenism. Not only do the protestant churches have truth and faith in them, they can all lead to salvation too, AND they can teach us a thing or two as well :bowdown:

I say take it s step further, do away with the Priests and bring in evangelical speakers for Mass. But why stop there, lets call them Sunday worship services, no need for the Mass anymore in these ecumenical times. And the evangelicals can sure quote scripture can’t they?? Hallelujah Brother, I’ve seen the Light

After all, Catholics obviously don’t know much about the Bible or scripture. You know too many years of hastily muttered Latin paryers that no one understood that left the poor downtrodden befuddled defenseless parishners with no other option except to nervously clack their rosary beads and pray for relief from the tyranny of the ordained priests and the moribound Traditional Latin Mass. THE HORROR, THE HORROR!!!

.You know my motto, ecumenism forever Hip Hip HOORAY

 

[dulcissima]

I’ve been going to Bible study at my church for a couple of years now. We have mostly been using Protestant study materials. It has been kind of bothering me because I can see the Sola Scriptura / Sola Fide slant to them. So, when it was time for us to pick a new study, I did some research and found a Scott Hahn Bible study that had videos and study guides. I brought it to the facilitator and asked if we could do it. A couple of weeks later, she called me to say that our priest had objected to it because he thought Scott Hahn was “too Catholic” and “too anti-Protestant” and that he prefers to be very ecumenical. So, we are back to doing another Protestant Bible study.

Everyone else in the class is a cradle Catholic, and much older than me. I am the only convert. I’ve got to say though, they really don’t have a grasp on the basics. I have to point out frequently how the commentators on the video are teaching interpretations that contradict Church teaching. I am totally shy, so I hate to do this. I really wish we could use Catholic materials.

 

[tdandh26]

palmas85:

You should be pleased!!! This is evidence of the value of ecumenism. Not only do the protestant churches have truth and faith in them, they can all lead to salvation too, AND they can teach us a thing or two as well :bowdown:

I say take it s step further, do away with the Priests and bring in evangelical speakers for Mass. But why stop there, lets call them Sunday worship services, no need for the Mass anymore in these ecumenical times. And the evangelicals can sure quote scripture can’t they?? Hallelujah Brother, I’ve seen the Light

After all, Catholics obviously don’t know much about the Bible or scripture. You know too many years of hastily muttered Latin paryers that no one understood that left the poor downtrodden befuddled defenseless parishners with no other option except to nervously clack their rosary beads and pray for relief from the tyranny of the ordained priests and the moribound Traditional Latin Mass. THE HORROR, THE HORROR!!!

.You know my motto, ecumenism forever Hip Hip HOORAY

I wish we had a button on here to show if someone is speaking in a sarcastic tone or not. I suppose you are not serious. If a protestant is lecturing our priest on John 6 and how it is to be understood it wont be long before they try to take Jesus out of our Church. Notice I said try, we already know the end of the story we win , but that still is a sad thought.

 

[Podo2005]

tdandh26:

After the gospel today at Mass, the priest said something that disturbed me greatly. The gospel was from Mark. He began by telling us that at the beginning of the liturgical year the archdiocese had hired a female protestant theologin to teach the priests about the way to understand and read Mark’s gospel. I almost fell out of the pew. This came on the heels of last night at CCD where I am the hall monitor. The 5th grade teacher was absent so I sat in the room while a 15 year old student teacher gave the class. I had to watch in horror as these children joked around and couldnt answer questions simple enough that my 6 year old can answer. The student teacher didnt even bother to tell them the correct answer but rather continued as if no one had said anything.

What in the world is going on, where is proper Catholic teaching coming from? Children not learning their faith properly. Priests being instructed on how to interpret scripture from protestants. That like asking a child to teach college courses. I am very sad at these two situations. Is there anything we can do besides pray.

Ok we can probably don’t need them to teach us because we already have enough resources but still… What would be better though is an interfaith dialogue where protestants and catholics can learn from each other ( giving us a chance to teach them) rather than having them just teach us.

Podo

 

[Vicia]

dulcissima:

I’ve been going to Bible study at my church for a couple of years now. We have mostly been using Protestant study materials. It has been kind of bothering me because I can see the Sola Scriptura / Sola Fide slant to them. So, when it was time for us to pick a new study, I did some research and found a Scott Hahn Bible study that had videos and study guides. I brought it to the facilitator and asked if we could do it. A couple of weeks later, she called me to say that our priest had objected to it because he thought Scott Hahn was “too Catholic” and “too anti-Protestant” and that he prefers to be very ecumenical. So, we are back to doing another Protestant Bible study.

Everyone else in the class is a cradle Catholic, and much older than me. I am the only convert. I’ve got to say though, they really don’t have a grasp on the basics. I have to point out frequently how the commentators on the video are teaching interpretations that contradict Church teaching. I am totally shy, so I hate to do this. I really wish we could use Catholic materials.

GOD BLESS YOU!!! I understand how you feel. I am more out spoken than shy, but I do not like people to disagree with me. I have to leave people in disagreement with me a lot now, and that is hard for me to do. Bad things happen when good people do nothing.

Unfortunatley, the older generation wasn’t really catechised. It wasn’t politically correct. I have found that is the case with a lot of them (not all, mind you). They don’t really know the teachings and unless you go through an extremely orthodox class, you will not get catechized very well either.

I went through RCIA 2 years ago. I hated the priest and did not want to be there every Thursday night. I do not understand why I kept going because I was angry the entire time I was in class for the first 4 months. It was excruciating to me. Thank God for the Holy Spirit who led me back every week. I began to learn things and understand them. When class was over, I didn’t know where to go to learn more. I found EWTN. It was great. I just looked at the questions posted in the last 24 hours and learned sooo much. If people would research more, they might find out why the church teaches what she does. They also have to believe that God can not be wrong, past, present, or future. And that He knows all. Thanl God for people like you who stand up when everyone else is silent. It is hard to do, but keep it up.

 

[dulcissima]

Vicia:

GOD BLESS YOU!!! I understand how you feel. I am more out spoken than shy, but I do not like people to disagree with me. I have to leave people in disagreement with me a lot now, and that is hard for me to do. Bad things happen when good people do nothing.

Unfortunatley, the older generation wasn’t really catechised. It wasn’t politically correct. I have found that is the case with a lot of them (not all, mind you). They don’t really know the teachings and unless you go through an extremely orthodox class, you will not get catechized very well either.

I went through RCIA 2 years ago. I hated the priest and did not want to be there every Thursday night. I do not understand why I kept going because I was angry the entire time I was in class for the first 4 months. It was excruciating to me. Thank God for the Holy Spirit who led me back every week. I began to learn things and understand them. When class was over, I didn’t know where to go to learn more. I found EWTN. It was great. I just looked at the questions posted in the last 24 hours and learned sooo much. If people would research more, they might find out why the church teaches what she does. They also have to believe that God can not be wrong, past, present, or future. And that He knows all. Thanl God for people like you who stand up when everyone else is silent. It is hard to do, but keep it up.

You know, I was hoping I could come back home and edit my last post, because I was thinking that it was very uncharitable. I am too late though. I was feeling bad about what I said because everyone has been really nice to me, and really thanked me for my (name removed by moderator)ut in class.

I would have to say though, that I loved my RCIA class. I do agree with you though about the Holy Spirit watching out for us while we are in RCIA. I brought my newborn to every class, and even though they were more than two hours long, he was totally quiet the whole time.

 

[5-Decades-a-Day]

dulcissima:

You know, I was hoping I could come back home and edit my last post, because I was thinking that it was very uncharitable.

Are you kidding? The priest’s responsibility is to preach, teach, and sanctify. Obviously he’s not doing his job.

 

[palmas85]

tdandh26:

I wish we had a button on here to show if someone is speaking in a sarcastic tone or not. I suppose you are not serious. If a protestant is lecturing our priest on John 6 and how it is to be understood it wont be long before they try to take Jesus out of our Church. Notice I said try, we already know the end of the story we win , but that still is a sad thought.

If you read any of my posts you will see that I use sarcasm when th situations are too ridiculous to address in any other manner. If the day has come that ordained priests need protestant advice on how to give the homily, I think we’d better hang it up.

 

[Crumpy]

I don’t think that it would be very wise to have Protestants leading Catholics in these open-ended situations. I don’t think I would attend, if I had any other option.

ecumenism is not a grass-roots level enterprise, as far as I can tell, unless it involves just drinking beer under a tree.

 

[Elzee]

dulcissima:

I’ve been going to Bible study at my church for a couple of years now. We have mostly been using Protestant study materials. It has been kind of bothering me because I can see the Sola Scriptura / Sola Fide slant to them.

Everyone else in the class is a cradle Catholic, and much older than me. I am the only convert. I’ve got to say though, they really don’t have a grasp on the basics. I have to point out frequently how the commentators on the video are teaching interpretations that contradict Church teaching. I am totally shy, so I hate to do this. I really wish we could use Catholic materials.

If you’ve already brought this to the attention of your priest and he still insists on teaching and supporting material that contradicts Church teaching - especially when people aren’t even aware that what they are hearing isn’t Catholic - then I think you should mention it to your Bishop. It will be hard to do, but it can be written in a charitable way, out of concern for your parish and their spiritual journey.

If there were no other Catholic resources available and your priest wanted to use these, but prefaced it by saying that there are things you’ll be hearing that contradict our faith and I’ll be sure to point those out and we can discuss, that would be better. But with the Catholic study material now available, there should be no reacon why he can’t use sometning faithful to the Magisterium. It sounds like your parish is being misled in the faith in some ways, and that’s just not a good thing for them, the children they may eventually teach in religious ed or youth ministry, their own children, people they meet who want to know about the Catholic faith…it has a ripple effect.

 

[LeahInancsi]

I’m a big advocate to taking my business elsewhere. I hear so many horror stories in this forum. I’d be looking for a new parish in a flash.

I have attended a Bible study group (members from several different parishes) that used Scott Hahn’s Revelation study materials. The study materials are very good, but it’s very important that the study leader be someone who can answer questions, etc. The group leader I had didn’t know any more about the Scripture than the rest of us.

I decided I could do just as well on my own with the Navarre Bible commentary and the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible. In the Fall, I’ll join my parish’s study group which I’ve heard is very good.

 

[mosher]

It is unacceptable to have persons of other faiths teaching our priests how to read the Gospels. I will be the first to agree that some protestant exegets have something to say. However, as was said above it is dangerous to have our priests subjected to biblical exegesis that has a slant based in reformed theology. The Bishop has the primary role of holding to orthodoxy in his diocese - it is not orthodox to have a heretic teach heresy to the priests. I am all for ecuminism but this is a seperate issue than ecuminism.

 

[netmilsmom]

dulcissima:

So, when it was time for us to pick a new study, I did some research and found a Scott Hahn Bible study that had videos and study guides. I brought it to the facilitator and asked if we could do it. A couple of weeks later, she called me to say that our priest had objected to it because he thought Scott Hahn was “too Catholic” and “too anti-Protestant” and that he prefers to be very ecumenical. So, we are back to doing another Protestant Bible study.

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TOO CATHOLIC!?!

Perhaps you can go straight to the Priest on this and point out that if Franciscan University doesn’t think that Scott Hahn is too Catholic, we should not either.

I just saw one of those books last night. The quality of the art alone would make me buy them!

 

[Paris_Blues]

tdandh26:

After the gospel today at Mass, the priest said something that disturbed me greatly. The gospel was from Mark. He began by telling us that at the beginning of the liturgical year the archdiocese had hired a female protestant theologin to teach the priests about the way to understand and read Mark’s gospel. I almost fell out of the pew. This came on the heels of last night at CCD where I am the hall monitor. The 5th grade teacher was absent so I sat in the room while a 15 year old student teacher gave the class. I had to watch in horror as these children joked around and couldnt answer questions simple enough that my 6 year old can answer. The student teacher didnt even bother to tell them the correct answer but rather continued as if no one had said anything.

What in the world is going on, where is proper Catholic teaching coming from? Children not learning their faith properly. Priests being instructed on how to interpret scripture from protestants. That like asking a child to teach college courses. I am very sad at these two situations. Is there anything we can do besides pray.

That’s crazy! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-127.gif

I can’t believe they would allow that in a Catholic Church! If that’s the case, you might as well turn it into a non-Catholic church and you need to get the heck outa there and find a TRUE Catholic church!!!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1074.gif

 

[dulcissima]

5-Decades-a-Day:

Are you kidding? The priest’s responsibility is to preach, teach, and sanctify. Obviously he’s not doing his job.

Well, to be fair, I did not hear the priest say this with my own ears. This is just what I was told that he said, so it is essentially hearsay. He is not a part of our Bible study either, which is why I was surprised that he would be vetoing what we would be doing.

In his defense, he gives a fine mass and I have no complaints with his homilies.

Also, I think I was being too harsh saying that the others didn’t know the basics. That was pretty arrogant of me. I just get frustrated to be in a room of older women, life-long Catholics, who are wondering whether Mary really didn’t have any other children or how do we know that she was assumed into heaven.

 

[Eileen_T]

dulcissima:

I just get frustrated to be in a room of older women, life-long Catholics, who are wondering whether Mary really didn’t have any other children or how do we know that she was assumed into heaven.

Me too.

I ‘fell away’ from the Church because the Nuns and CCD teachers I had in my teens could not answer my questions about the Faith, why Catholics believe certain things.

Later, when I was driven to study these questions for myself, I came back full of conviction for Catholic Church teachings.

It frustrates me to hear older people talk a lot of rubbish that they have picked up from liberal sources. I went to a workshop on Creation Spirituality and was appalled to be challenged by one of the Religious Sisters present (wearing jeans and a T-shirt) who said “Jesus never said he was God!”

I disagreed and pointed out the passages in the NT which backed up my claim.

I have also tried to explain to an elderly nun why she was wrong in saying that she doesn’t believe Hell really exists, and that if it does she doesn’t think there are any souls there. These are people who have had the teaching of our children. . . the children who no longer go to Church because it is all largely irrelevant to them.

I feel the need to re-catechise our fellow Catholics, which is why I study up on Apologetics and Theology and read Church documents and other spiritual works from the Treasury of the Doctors of the Church.

tdandh26, it sounds as if you need to get hold of some of Fr John Corapi’s DVDs and lend them out to your fellow parishoners.

 

[kage_ar]

There are some wise teachers who are Protestant… for instance, if I had a time machine and could ask C S Lewis to come speak for a group of Priests, I’m sure that the teaching would be of benefit.

 

[Vicia]

Eileen T:

I have also tried to explain to an elderly nun why she was wrong in saying that she doesn’t believe Hell really exists, and that if it does she doesn’t think there are any souls there. These are people who have had the teaching of our children. . . the children who no longer go to Church because it is all largely irrelevant to them.

I feel the need to re-catechise our fellow Catholics, which is why I study up on Apologetics and Theology and read Church documents and other spiritual works from the Treasury of the Doctors of the Church.

tdandh26, it sounds as if you need to get hold of some of Fr John Corapi’s DVDs and lend them out to your fellow parishoners.

That is the point! We can not leave our parrishes because people are teaching the wrong thing. We need to buck up and teach in the church… get involved…make the changes that are necessary. The #1 thing that has been happening is that the pastor will try to convince you that you are the only one who has a problem. Sometimes the bishops do this too. Remember, you are not the only one who knows the basics of Catholic teaching or how Mass is supposed to run. Follow through and stay in the fire. That is what we are doing.

 

[tdandh26]

Paris Blues:

That’s crazy! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-127.gif

I can’t believe they would allow that in a Catholic Church! If that’s the case, you might as well turn it into a non-Catholic church and you need to get the heck outa there and find a TRUE Catholic church!!!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1074.gif

Oh its not that simple. The priest who told us this, was a substitute for our vacationing priests. Either way this took place in the Cathedral I go to daily for mass. What bothered me most though was that he said the archdiocese had paid this woman to teach all the priests of the dioceses.