Not so, YoungTradCath. In changing the Bible Sabbath to Sunday the Catholic Church has stated that she believes that the Church is above the Word of God, an opinion definitely not passed on by the Apostles.
No, Protector, the Catholic Church hasn’t changed the Sabbath. It’s on Saturday. It’s always been on Saturday.
I see no mention of, “IN the beginning was Tradition,…” Neither upper, nor lower case T/t.
Protector.
The Word of God is a Person, Protector.
Dear PR. Happy New Year!
Well let’s start with this, Protector: why do you believe the Scriptures are inspired?
Thank you! And BTW, what are you doing up at this hour?
Again confirming Divine Inspiration, our Lord never once said of the Scriptures that they were erroneous, or not from God and often quoted from them to make a point. Now I do hope that I have answered the question to your satisfaction, but now I have a question for you PR:- Why did you ask me the question in the first place?
Not quite.
Yes I know PR. But the Bible didn’t suddenly appear as if by magic. You can’t separate the words of God from the WORD of GOD because as Christ says, “…they are they that testify of me”. And also,
Protector.
Amen!
Well, yes and no. The words of God do testify of Christ, but Christ is MORE than what was put to writ 2000 years ago.
The Catholic Church collated documents that were already in existence. I’m not decrying that as I think that was a wonderful God inspired gift to mankind. First we were given the WORD of GOD, then we received the completed words of God. But to go from there to infer, as some have done on this Forum, that the Bible was written by Catholics is ludicrous.
I’m not a “baby Christian” PR, you are rather tending to state the obvious. Unless that is for the benefit of the many thousands (hopefully) that read the CAF, but aren’t blessed with your depth of knowledge; in which case go right ahead. My faith base is as broad as any average Christian I’m sure. True I don’t speak Latin, but then I don’t believe that our Lord spoke Latin either. Although, as an interesting aside, in what language did Pilate converse with our Lord and the Jewish crowd at His trial?
I don’t care if you find it arrogant. I simply made a statement as to the doctrines of the Catholic Church. I am not arrogant by stating the truth. Now, if you perceive arrogance, then you have to take care of that. I do not mean to inflame you by saying this. As I said, there is no arrogance in stating Catholic doctrine, and so I cannot apologize for it.
My apologies to you YoungTradCath I misread the intent of your post. It seemed to me that you were relegating the word of God to second place behind “Tradition”.
So that’s, “Heaven and Earth (plus Tradition) shall pass away…”
No, Protector. You are under the misapprehension that Jesus’ words were all put to writ.
No doubt.
The CC has no teaching on what language Pilate conversed with Jesus and the Jews.
I think it is very plausible for Jesus to have conversed with Pilate in Latin. Indeed,we can all specualte and say Jesus did or did not know Latin,etc,etc,but it is very plausible.No doubt.
And it is, then,* only* through the authority of the Catholic Church that you know that the letter to the Hebrews is inspired, but that the letter of Clement is not.
You would not know it any other way.
And, thus, you cannot believe that all that has been revealed about God has been confined to the Scriptures. One thing that you believe that’s not found in the Scriptures is that the letter of Clement is not inspired, and that the letter to the Hebrews is, for example.
And you must then also believe in the infallibility of the Catholic Church.
Unless, of course, you want to claim that the CC erred and that, say, the letter of Clement is inspired?
The CC has no teaching on what language Pilate conversed with Jesus and the Jews.
We are certainly free to speculate. In the movie “The Passion of the Christ” Pilate speaks Latin to Jesus. Sounds plausible to me.
Interesting to consider what Pilate thought when Jesus answered him in Latin (if in fact Jesus did–let’s just go with this scenario for the sake of the discussion
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That’s truly amazing PR. I’ve just discovered that I am psychic. When I posted that about the “God-inspired gift to mankind”, I knew straight away that you were going to try to claim the credit for the Authority of the Catholic Church. No PR! This has nothing to do with** the authority of a church**. It has everything to do with the POWER of the Holy Spirit and therefore it is to God that we should give the praise.
Hear a parable of me,In any case, seeing that
No certainly not, but the problem comes when one has to decide who, since the end of the Apostolic Age is a credible source for those extra-Biblical writings. For example, do Catholics have any faith in the extra-Biblical writings of Ellen G. White - I"m guessing not.
“A History of the English Speaking Peoples”, by (the late) Sir Winston Churchill is not in the Scriptures either, but it never occured to me to wonder whether or not it was inspired. I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but until I started debating on this forum I had no knowledge of “The Letter of Clement”, so the fact that his letter was not in the Canon of Scripture was not a source of curiosity for me PR.
Again I say, certainly not! If I believed otherwise I would be a Catholic, but I’m not so there you have it PR. Mind you, I certainly have nothing against the CC, it’s just that it would be dishonest of me to join seeing that there are so many extra-Biblical doctrines to come to terms with. Oh please don’t debate me on those PR, I find it so tiresome going over the same old hackneyed arguments time after time. And in the end of it (if there is such a thing as an end) you will be even more entrenched in your points of view as I shall in mine.
Those statements are pretty old I’ll grant you, but then the Commandment is much older.
I have read the Letter of Clement (of Rome?), and apart from the fact that it is ONLY attributed to him, the subject matter (the sedition within the Church at Corinth) would seem to be written after the style of the Pauline epistles.He makes an interesting mention of the martyrdom of SS Peter and Paul.
But of course it has everything to do with the POWER of the Holy Spirit, Protector. No one here is claiming the CC did this of her own authority. It’s the authority given to her by Christ, of course.
Could you finish the quote? It simply stops.