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carjack
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I don’t know who Peter Singer is. I never thought animals were persons. People who have brain damage or lack of societal development are “person”. I don’t understand how this is applicable.
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allhers
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I was reading something theh other day, I believe it was on life site news about someone in another country (maybe switzerland or something?) that wants to get personhood for monkeys is what I believe it was, I’ll have to investigate that one further to be sure I am getting this correct, but at any rate it was truly sick.
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wmscott
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Nice try, it is because the “CHILD” is correctly recognized as a human being.That is a law that comes from the same place that clincal abortion is approved. That is also because the person who was attacked had their choice taken away
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mercygate
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Even if you call it a “fertilized egg” and reject the term “baby”, you are stuck with the fact that unmolested it will naturally grow into NOTHING OTHER THAN a human baby. (I got that quote from Dieterich Bonhoeffer, a Lutheran.)
An act of violence is required to STOP the process, just as, in the normal course of life, it takes an act of violence or disease to stop a an adult human life from being “alive” as a human.
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carjack
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Be fruitful and multipy is not a commandment.
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LDNCatholic
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It certainly wasn’t a request.
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JRKH
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Just need to work on that 0.7%For me, I respectfully say…
The Priesthood’s “authority” <— I use the word lightly because I have NO problem with Priests, Bishops, the Pope etc…but how they decide what’s valid or not…ie marriages, communion, confession etc. And not so much calling a Priest “Father”, but calling the Pope “Holy Father”.
I believe in authority, no doubt. And I think that Pope John Paul II was one of the best represenatives of Christianity ever ( I don’t know too much about Pope Benidict) I just don’t agree with the “Rome has spoken, no more questions” perspective I see SOMETIMES…not all the time.
I have nothing against Catholics, and I’d go as far as to say that I’m probably as close to Catholic as I can get without actually going to RCIA and converting. 99.3% Catholic…if that’s possible
Have you considered going to RCIA just for the info?
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allhers
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Once again, God said that to the first man and woman, we are just handing on His teachings, still!!!
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mercygate
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LOL. As a convert to the Church, I agree wholeheartedly! I learned my stewardship in the Episcopal Church, where we all knew who paid the rent!
As for “lousy giving”, I attribute much of this to the fact that many of our people come from countries where the government subsidizes (or formerly, subsidized) the Church, and part of their taxes went to pay the bills. They are not accustomed to being responsible for the light bill.
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allhers
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Q: How does the pill kill babies?
A: This can happen because the pill and other birth control products can prevent implantation from occurring. When the preborn baby implants in the womb, the baby establishes a connection with the mother so that he or she can receive the sustenance needed to grow. If the preborn baby cannot implant in the mother’s womb, he or she will die.
thepillkills.com/points.html
A: This can happen because the pill and other birth control products can prevent implantation from occurring. When the preborn baby implants in the womb, the baby establishes a connection with the mother so that he or she can receive the sustenance needed to grow. If the preborn baby cannot implant in the mother’s womb, he or she will die.
thepillkills.com/points.html
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carjack
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It is not a nice try, It is the truth.
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mercygate
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I ALWAYS understood “closed communion” – but I’m a hundred years old, and EVERYBODY had closed communion until a couple of decades ago. It just meant that a church believe that it’s own version of the Lord’s Supper was the truth, and receiving Communion was a privilege for the faithful. So I never had a problem with Catholics having closed communion – especially since their belief is so very different from the run of Protestant churches.
That said, I was privileged to be offered Communion in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest (tsk, tsk). It definitely brought me closer to home. But generally, it really is not a good idea because Communion signals just THAT: Communion of faith.
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LDNCatholic
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That someone is tried for double murder for taking choices? But a judge takes away a criminals ‘‘choice’’ to be free? Are they murderers too?
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carjack
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No. The person committing the crime, took their own choice away. So you want me to look at the source(the law). which approves of clinical abortions and this same law about being charged for double murder for making your point?!
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LDNCatholic
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So…for taking away a choice they are charged with murder.
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allhers
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Not ALL laws are good laws, obviously.
take a look at this:
Q: The Supreme Court has ruled that it’s my right to privacy – who do you think you are to say otherwise?
A: On June 7, 1965, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down the Griswold v. Connecticut decision. The Supreme Court justices first presumed that previous Court decisions dealing with a citizen’s right to liberty and security that prohibited invasion of one’s home and acquisition of evidence that might later be used to convict him of a crime also addressed privacy within marriage. In fact, the justices argued, “The concept of liberty is not so restricted… it embraces the right of marital privacy though that right is not mentioned explicitly [emphasis added] in the Constitution” and is based on “specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights [which] have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance.” 5
This confusing language, which has no relationship whatsoever to what the Founding Fathers intended, gave married women permission to use the birth control pill. The Supreme Court literally created the “right to privacy” out of thin air.
We now know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that not only did the Supreme Court literally make up the right that you claim gives you permission to use birth control, but the most popular form of birth control, the pill, can kill innocent preborn children. If there is a chance that human beings are going to be murdered, I am going to do everything in my power to help prevent that from happening. If you knew there was a chance that someone might poison your neighbor, don’t you think you would try to notify your neighbor and do as much as you could to help save a life?
thepillkills.com/points.html
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adrift
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I would ask you again to document your statements. NFP is as effective if not more so than the pill yet you claim it is the most ineffective. Where did you get that information?
Where did you get your definition of person? Dictionary definitions say human. Science says that the embryo is human therefore a person. Where do you get your definition?
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O.S.Luke
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I’m not sure about that. I thought, first and foremost, that it signified communion with Christ. “This is my body… this is my blood… do this in remembrance of me.”
John 6, a very eucharistic Gospel text, has the feeding of 5000. Little was known about them, but Jesus fed them. As far as the Last Supper, Peter and Judas were included in the meal - with Jesus knowing that Peter would deny Him and Judas would betray him.
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mflaschner
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I’m assuming carjack is referring to “personhood” instead of “person.” I like how Peter Kreeft puts it:
I would encourage carjack to read the entire article:
catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0004.html
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mercygate
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But you are describing a situation where the people involved are NOT claiming the fullness of their humanity. You are describing people who act according to their animal appetites without subordinating them to the power of reason and grace. You are not describing people who cherish their humanity, cherish human life, cherish the freedom that allows them to procreate – or if needful, to abstain from procreation for a time.
You are describing people who think of themselves as merely biological, merely mechanical. I doubt that the people you describe are procreating because the Church tells them to, since the Church clearly allows married couples to abstain from conjugal privileges when it is necessary to avoid pregnancy for serious reasons.
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