Protestants: What is the oddest thing about Catholicism?

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carjack said:
I don’t know who Peter Singer is. I never thought animals were persons. People who have brain damage or lack of societal development are “person”. I don’t understand how this is applicable.
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It is applicable because it goes to the question of when a person becomes a person. You say, when it “pops out”. Singer says not until it has societal function. IOW: it is legitimate to kill infants up to the age of two if there is something “wrong” with them. Hitler thought Jews, homosexuals and mentally retarded people were not “persons.”
 
carjack said:
If sex is for procreation only, then we are not better than animals. If I don’t want to have children. I don’t need to have children. I didn’t get married to pop out babies for no one.
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The two purposes of marital sexual union are unitive AND procreative (not one OR the other)

from the Catechism of the Catholic Church scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
2334 "In creating men ‘male and female,’ God gives man and woman an equal personal dignity."119 "Man is a person, man and woman equally so, since both were created in the image and likeness of the personal God."120
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III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE
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2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.
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2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."143 Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, “Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety.” So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, “Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.’ I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together.” And they both said, “Amen, Amen.” Then they went to sleep for the night.144
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2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure: The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146
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2363 The spouses’ union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple’s spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family. The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.
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allhers said:
Not ALL laws are good laws, obviously.
take a look at this:
Q: The Supreme Court has ruled that it’s my right to privacy – who do you think you are to say otherwise?
A: On June 7, 1965, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down the Griswold v. Connecticut decision. The Supreme Court justices first presumed that previous Court decisions dealing with a citizen’s right to liberty and security that prohibited invasion of one’s home and acquisition of evidence that might later be used to convict him of a crime also addressed privacy within marriage. In fact, the justices argued, “The concept of liberty is not so restricted… it embraces the right of marital privacy though that right is not mentioned explicitly [emphasis added] in the Constitution” and is based on “specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights [which] have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance.” 5

This confusing language, which has no relationship whatsoever to what the Founding Fathers intended, gave married women permission to use the birth control pill. The Supreme Court literally created the “right to privacy” out of thin air.

We now know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that not only did the Supreme Court literally make up the right that you claim gives you permission to use birth control, but the most popular form of birth control, the pill, can kill innocent preborn children. If there is a chance that human beings are going to be murdered, I am going to do everything in my power to help prevent that from happening. If you knew there was a chance that someone might poison your neighbor, don’t you think you would try to notify your neighbor and do as much as you could to help save a life?
thepillkills.com/points.html
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It is a woman’s right to privacy if she wants to take the pill. Not because the law said so. It is my belief.
Sorry it isn’t murder. But keep doing everything in your power, I am sure it makes you feel better.
 
mercygate said:
But you are describing a situation where the people involved are NOT claiming the fullness of their humanity. You are describing people who act according to their animal appetites without subordinating them to the power of reason and grace. You are not describing people who cherish their humanity, cherish human life, cherish the freedom that allows them to procreate – or if needful, to abstain from procreation for a time.

You are describing people who think of themselves as merely biological, merely mechanical. I doubt that the people you describe are procreating because the Church tells them to, since the Church clearly allows married couples to abstain from conjugal privileges when it is necessary to avoid pregnancy for serious reasons.
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They got knocked up and didn’t want it. They know it is a mortal sin to “abort” and they know that they can’t be on birth control. They are trying to be obedient.
 
mercygate said:
It is applicable because it goes to the question of when a person becomes a person. You say, when it “pops out”. Singer says not until it has societal function. IOW: it is legitimate to kill infants up to the age of two if there is something “wrong” with them. Hitler thought Jews, homosexuals and mentally retarded people were not “persons.”
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I disagree because these people were already BORN.
 
carjack said:
It is a woman’s right to privacy if she wants to take the pill. Not because the law said so. It is my belief.
Sorry it isn’t murder. But keep doing everything in your power, I am sure it makes you feel better.
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I am not trying to make myself feel better, I am trying to inform you. It is murder, thats why I am sending you to sites to encourage you to learn the truth of the consequenses of a child that you may conceive who could be being murdered. You said yourself that you were a “pill” baby didn’t you? (or was that someone else?) But even if we just went with that, even though there is evidence to prove otherwise, but going with just that, you know it is possible that a woman on the pill can and does conceive. Why is it then so hard for you to believe that some of those babies are murdered because of the chemicals in those pills of choice?
Why not use an Natural method instead? How long has it been since you’ve been to a really good Doctor that could help you find alternatives to your problems? (that may not even exist anymore, or may never have, it is possible that you were lied to, many others were.) May I ask what it was that you said you were put on the pill for? You used an abbreviation and I didn’t understand what that was.
 
quiet52 said:
The two purposes of marital sexual union are unitive AND procreative (not one OR the other)

from the Catechism of the Catholic Church scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
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So you say. My husband and I agree. No children. Maybe my prayers will be answered that I get a cancer and have a hysterectomy. I absolutely hope so. Then it will be God’s will. Maybe anyone who doesn’t want kids involve in their union should pray so as well.
 
allhers said:
I am not trying to make myself feel better, I am trying to inform you. It is murder, thats why I am sending you to sites to encourage you to learn the truth of the consequenses of a child that you may conceive who could be being murdered. You said yourself that you were a “pill” baby didn’t you? (or was that someone else?) But even if we just went with that, even though there is evidence to prove otherwise, but going with just that, you know it is possible that a woman on the pill can and does conceive. Why is it then so hard for you to believe that some of those babies are murdered because of the chemicals in those pills of choice?
Why not use an Natural method instead? How long has it been since you’ve been to a really good Doctor that could help you find alternatives to your problems? (that may not even exist anymore, or may never have, it is possible that you were lied to, many others were.) May I ask what it was that you said you were put on the pill for? You used an abbreviation and I didn’t understand what that was.
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Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. My symptoms were extreme. My OBGYN diagnosed me.
 
carjack said:
They got knocked up and didn’t want it. They know it is a mortal sin to “abort” and they know that they can’t be on birth control. They are trying to be obedient.
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there’s always adoption 🤷 if they hate the children that much why don’t they give them up for adoption?
 
chewchoo said:
there’s always adoption 🤷 if they hate the children that much why don’t they give them up for adoption?
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I don’t think dumping your responsibilities on others is an option. Why would a person dump a baby with other unwanted babies. There so many that wait to get a adopted, they never do. They are unwanted.
 
carjack said:
They got knocked up and didn’t want it. They know it is a mortal sin to “abort” and they know that they can’t be on birth control. They are trying to be obedient.
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A person doesn’t “get” knocked up – to use your vulgar expression.

Except in the case of rape, conceiving a child requires the mutual consent of two human beings to engage in a behavior that is naturally oriented towards procreation.

“Obedience” as you describe it has nothing to do with anything. People who need to forestall pregnancy have legitimate, moral, Catholic options. Abstinence for a few days a month is hardly a death sentence (and from experience, I can say that it is a positive blessing). Mother Teresa taught illiterate, poverty-bound women in India how to do this with great success.
 
carjack said:
I don’t think dumping your responsibilities on others is an option. Why would a person dump a baby with other unwanted babies. There so many that wait to get a adopted, they never do. They are unwanted.
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you seem to be very unhappy. everything is negative, negative.
maybe spend sometime on the positive.
 
PCOS Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome is one of the leading causes of infertility in women
So why take artificial birth control if already you are infertile? Does that make sense to anyone?
 
Pregnancy is not for everybody. My twin sisters stretched my mom’s uterus so bad, she had to get a hysterectomy. No thank you.
 
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