Protestants: When did the Church depart from Truth into Error?

[jmcrae]

You read the entire bible in three years through weekly scripture readings on Sunday? That’s only 156 weeks worth of Sunday Scripture readings. I think you meant that if you go to Mass everyday…

Several things are repeated many times. For example, we do the Gospel of John every year at certain times of the year.

I’ve also heard certain readings from the Book of Acts more than once during this Easter season - mind you, I’m a daily Mass attender, and probably things are repeated during the week, since the entire Easter season, both the weekdays and the Sundays, is focused on the Book of Acts.

But over the period of three years, every passage of Scripture is read except for two chapters, and I can’t remember what the two chapters are - but everything else is covered, usually more than once.

 

[rr1213]

Several things are repeated many times. For example, we do the Gospel of John every year at certain times of the year…But over the period of three years, every passage of Scripture is read except for two chapters, and I can’t remember what the two chapters are - but everything else is covered, usually more than once.

Just based on SUNDAY readings? Everyday Mass, sure, but I don’t see how you can cover the entire bible in three years by only reading the normal couple of chapters on Sunday, especially if the readings around Easter, Christmas, Pentacost, Transfiguration, etc. are repeated each year (which would obviously subtract from the total readng opportunities).

 

[Mannyfit75]

Just based on SUNDAY readings? Everyday Mass, sure, but I don’t see how you can cover the entire bible in three years by only reading the normal couple of chapters on Sunday, especially if the readings around Easter, Christmas, Pentacost, Transfiguration, etc. are repeated each year (which would obviously subtract from the total readng opportunities).

The Mass contains, First Reading (usually OT reading), Second Reading (Epistles), Gospels Reading (4 Gospels). The Palms are also read. If a Catholics goes to Mass Daily and go to Sunday Mass within a Three year circle, the Entire Bible is read.

 

[Mannyfit75]

rr1213,

If you want to challenge if the Mass does cover the Entire Bible within a 3 yrs go test it out yourself…

 

[SyCarl]

My understanding is that the entire Bible is not read.

catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm

 

[rr1213]

rr1213,

If you want to challenge if the Mass does cover the Entire Bible within a 3 yrs go test it out yourself…

I’ve been to Mass many times, which is why I question the assertion that the entire bible is read in three years based solely on the SUNDAY readings. If you want to say it is read in three years based on the daily AND Sunday readings then, yeah, sure.

 

[Contarini]

No, all you need to do is look at the lectionary texts. Even the daily readings don’t cover the entire Bible.

Edwin

Hmm, I bet it would take - oh, I don’t know - maybe 3 years to read the entire bible out loud, right? Maybe sing a psalm in between just to keep their spirits up

rr1213,

If you want to challenge if the Mass does cover the Entire Bible within a 3 yrs go test it out yourself…

 

[Mannyfit75]

I’ve been to Mass many times, which is why I question the assertion that the entire bible is read in three years based solely on the SUNDAY readings. If you want to say it is read in three years based on the daily AND Sunday readings then, yeah, sure.

From the Catholics (Practicing Catholics), within 3 yrs when attending daily Mass and Sunday Mass, the Liturgy will cover the entire Bible…

You won’t cover the Bible just by Sunday Mass.

 

[Mannyfit75]

No, all you need to do is look at the lectionary texts. Even the daily readings don’t cover the entire Bible.

Edwin

Within a 3 yrs period it can cover it. If a Catholics goes to Mass Daily and attend Sunday Mass. It will cover it. I’ve been a Catholic for 31 yrs… How about you? I can attest to this.

I don’t have the lectionary with me I do have the Missal both A, B, C,… and it covers 3 yrs circle…

 

[Ani_Ibi]

From the Catholics (Practicing Catholics), within 3 yrs when attending daily Mass and Sunday Mass, the Liturgy will cover the entire Bible… You won’t cover the Bible just by Sunday Mass.

I’ve forgotten what the relevance was to the question “When did the Church depart from Truth”?

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Mannyfit75]

I’ve forgotten what the relevance was to the question “When did the Church depart from Truth”?

Thoughts anyone?

She never departed period. 1 Tim 3:15 states, the pillar and bulwark of the Truth is the Church

. so… The Holy Mother Church never and she will never depart…

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Within a 3 yrs period it can cover it. If a Catholics goes to Mass Daily and attend Sunday Mass. It will cover it. I’ve been a Catholic for 31 yrs… How about you? I can attest to this.

I don’t have the lectionary with me I do have the Missal both A, B, C,… and it covers 3 yrs circle…

10 posts after I posted the number of chapters in the Bible, no one has done the math! Waddupwidat?

365 days a year x 3 years = 1095 days
1334 chapters in the Bible
1334/1095 = 1.2 chapters per day.

To tell you the truth I don’t remember the readings being that long. Some chapters are really long too. Maybe the Bible is covered by the reading and a longer context in the homily. Anyone know?

In any case, the Bible is basically covered in 3 years. Shall we agree on that?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

She never departed period. 1 Tim 3:15 states, the pillar and bulwark of the Truth is the Church…

But what does the fact that She never departed from the Truth have to do with reading the Bible at Mass in 3 year cycles?

 

[Mannyfit75]

But what does the fact that She never departed from the Truth have to do with reading the Bible at Mass in 3 year cycles?

The others were debating it so I had to respond. Is this an integration?

 

[Truthstalker]

She never departed period. 1 Tim 3:15 states, the pillar and bulwark of the Truth is the Church

. so… The Holy Mother Church never and she will never depart…

That’s one theory.

Opposite to it is the Trail of Blood and the bad, bad Catholic Church established by Constantine and documented by Dan Brown and other fiction writers.

Another is that the Church has always had a mixture of truth and error, and basically only takes a position when it realizes Something is Seriously Wrong. Rather than staking out positions on every conceivable theological matter, it seems to only do so in reaction, usually way too late, on matters it has no choice but to Deal With. Before the completion of the New Testament they were dealing with gnostics, and before then they were dealing with Essenes, Pharisees, Sadduccees and Zealots, all of which had some problems. This particular ark seems to ship a lot of water.

But I wonder what we do if we all agree that on April 1, 706 (to pick a date at random) the Church went off the rails? I humbly submit that we cannot go back again, that too much has happened, and we have to deal with today’s mess. We cannot go back to March 31. 706 and pick up where we left off. If we could ever all agree. That, I think, will take the Second Coming, to which many people will raise theological objections while it is happening,

 

[Mannyfit75]

That’s one theory.

Opposite to it is the Trail of Blood and the bad, bad Catholic Church established by Constantine and documented by Dan Brown and other fiction writers.

Another is that the Church has always had a mixture of truth and error, and basically only takes a position when it realizes Something is Seriously Wrong. Rather than staking out positions on every conceivable theological matter, it seems to only do so in reaction, usually way too late, on matters it has no choice but to Deal With. Before the completion of the New Testament they were dealing with gnostics, and before then they were dealing with Essenes, Pharisees, Sadduccees and Zealots, all of which had some problems. This particular ark seems to ship a lot of water.

But I wonder what we do if we all agree that on April 1, 706 (to pick a date at random) the Church went off the rails? I humbly submit that we cannot go back again, that too much has happened, and we have to deal with today’s mess. We cannot go back to March 31. 706 and pick up where we left off. If we could ever all agree. That, I think, will take the Second Coming, to which many people will raise theological objections while it is happening,

The Blood Trails proves no historical fact. That is a fiction who tried to discredit the Church…

The Blood Trail is a complete joke work of fiction…

The Catholic Church never fall from error is not a theory… The Blood Trail is and it has no historical evidence.

 

[Mannyfit75]

When Baptists attempt to discover the origins of their tradition they are faced with a historical dilemma. The search for Baptists roots hits a dead end in the sixteenth century. Most acknowledge that Baptist tradition is a tributary flowing out of the Protestant Reformation, but others attempt to discover a line of historical continuity, of doctrine and practice, back to Jesus and even John the Baptist. These Baptists are commonly referred to “Baptist Successionists”.

Such a historical continuity is a factual impossibility though the proponents continue aggressively promoting their theories. First, we will summarize the popular theory as espoused in the popular booklet The Trail of Blood and secondly, we will analyze their position historically. It is helpful to remember, according to W. Morgan Patterson, associate professor of church history at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, that the “Baptist historians”-those who are proponents of this view-”have been preachers and pastors first of all, and historians second” (Baptist Successionism, [Valley Forge, PA: Judson Press, 1980), 5.

The Trail of Blood was written by J. M. Carroll in 1931 and is published by Ashland Avenue Baptist Church in Lexington Kentucky. It is a small booklet of fifty-six pages containing a proposed timeline of Baptist churches back to Jesus. By 1994 over 1,955,000 copies had been printed and it has gained great popularity among Fundamentalist groups. The author unabashedly attempts to denigrate the Catholic Church while attempting to establish his own legitimacy as the true church.

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[Truthstalker]

The Trail of Blood is baloney. Contarini will probably have something to say about it soon.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

The Trail of Blood is baloney. Contarini will probably have something to say about it soon.

Church Militant is good too. I’ll pm him.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

The others were debating it so I had to respond. Is this an integration?

Oh it wasn’t a criticism. I was just worried we might get into trouble for wandering far off topic. Now that we’ve wandered off topic again, what’s to do?