Protestants: When did the Church depart from Truth into Error?

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Nancie Lew:
So you read a different Bible passage at each Mass? That’s it?
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Yep, that seems to be what we’ve been saying, Nancie.
Nancie Lew:
The priest doesn’t explain the text?
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Nancie? Has anyone said that the priest doesn’t explain the text?
Nancie Lew:
This is why people need a good sermon from a Bible thumping preacher.
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Some people evidently think they need this.
Nancie Lew:
Eighty percent of the Pentecostal church is made up of former Catholics who heard a sermon explaining the salvation message.
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Is this when you think the Church departed from Truth?
 
Nancie_Lew said:
So you read a different Bible passage at each Mass? That’s it? The priest doesn’t explain the text? This is why people need a good sermon from a Bible thumping preacher. Eighty percent of the Pentecostal church is made up of former Catholics who heard a sermon explaining the salvation message…
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Malarky. This is one of the most dishonest posts I’ve read in a while.

Lets see what protestant pentacostalism is really about:

Paul’s Teachings on Speaking in Tongues

Paul warns us that tongue-speaking is not always a gift of the Spirit, but may originate out of spiritual pride and immaturity. This is why Paul called the Corinthians immature (1 Cor. 3:1-3; 14:20), and said they were seeking the wisdom of men and not God (1 Cor. 2:5,13; 3:18). Many people in the Corinthian church claimed to have the gift of tongues, but were actually mimicking the divine gift in order to gain ascendancy in the church. This caused arrogance, dissensions and jealousies among them (1 Cor. 1:10-13; 3:3; 4:6-7,18; 5:2; 11:17-22).

Tongue-speaking can also have demonic origins. When people are unfaithful and motivated by pride and not love for God, God can allow demons to enter the church to punish the unfaithful. These demons can appear holy and good, and inspire tongue-speaking and other speech, but they are really deceivers who wish to confuse the faithful and lead them away from the truth (cf. Ezek. 14:6-11; 1 Kings 22:22-23). Paul warns that some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Tim. 4:1). This is why John tells us to “test the spirits to see whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1).

Therefore, tongue-speaking can be a gift of the Holy Spirit, or may be of human or demonic origin. Paul makes several important points regarding the gift of tongues:

1 – The gift of tongues is a lesser gift from God. While speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, Paul teaches that it is a lesser gift on the continuum of divine gifts from God (1 Cor. 12:10,28,30). For example, Paul says that tongues is a much lesser gift than the gift of prophecy (1 Cor. 14:1-5,19,22). In fact, the gift of tongues is not even mentioned among the gifts of the Spirit in the latter books of the New Testament (Rom. 12:4-8; Eph. 4:11-12; Gal. 5:22; 1 Peter 4:7-11; 1 Tim. 4:14; 2 Tim. 1:6).

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scripturecatholic.com/tongues.html
 
Personally, I think Pentecostal Protestants speaking is tongues is not divine. I think it is the opposite. That’s just me.
 
Nancie_Lew said:
So you read a different Bible passage at each Mass? That’s it? The priest doesn’t explain the text? This is why people need a good sermon from a Bible thumping preacher. Eighty percent of the Pentecostal church is made up of former Catholics who heard a sermon explaining the salvation message…
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Ok, so are you saved by reading the bible, or by being entertained by a thumping bible? Answer carefully, are you there to worship Jesus, or are you drawn by the charism of the preacher?
 
ACbishop said:
Why argue? All you will do to refute any proof I have to back up my claims is quote something from within the Catholic church itself. You will never use scripture except in a fashion where the magisterium has spoken for you to trump your own reason. My proof is where scripture doesn’t speak as opposed to where it does speak on several issues and practices and dogmas of the Catholic church.
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Are you saying that the point at which the departure from truth occurred is when the Church abandoned Sola Scriptura?
 
guanophore said:
Are you saying that the point at which the departure from truth occurred is when the Church abandoned Sola Scriptura?
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You know, the Church never abandoned the Scripture. She professes that the Sacred Scripture, and Sacred Tradition is the Word of God.

The last time I check it is the Protestant who departed from the Truth. They put the Deutrocanonical Books in their Appendix by the Protestant Fathers, and later in the century, the totally remove those books. By what authority give them the right to Remove the Word of God?

They refer to the Un-believing Jews of Jamnia, and the new tradition of Martin Luther, Calvin, and others Reformers. They have no authority… Protestantism is a religion founded by men not by God.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Personally, I think Pentecostal Protestants speaking is tongues is not divine. I think it is the opposite. That’s just me.
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If there was one speaking and one interpreting then fine, maybe.

I rented space to a displaced Pente church once and that was never the case. In fact the infighting was something you would see in a kindergarten class and the hospitality was betrayed in the end.

When there are dozens flailing around on the floor or rushing a stage that is only called an altar because it wouldn’t be protesting to have a real altar then you have the pride Paul talks about.

Im sure Pentecostals don’t preach about the scriptures that say to not speak jibberish if no one can interpret.

I have seen authentic speaking in tongues in the Charismatic Catholic Church but all I have ever seen in a Pentecostal one is folks looking over their shoulder to make sure someone catches them when they pretend to take a nap.
 
I went to Non-Denom who also speak tongues. I ask what language.

The minister replied. “It’s not a language. It’s the Holy Spirit.” :eek:

For one it didn’t sound like Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, or Latin. To me it was just jibberish. It didn’t sound like those ancient languages mention in the Book of Acts either.

So to me Pentecostal tongue speaking is jibberish.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
You know, the Church never abandoned the Scripture. She professes that the Sacred Scripture, and Sacred Tradition is the Word of God.

The last time I check it is the Protestant who departed from the Truth. They put the Deutrocanonical Books in their Appendix by the Protestant Fathers, and later in the century, the totally remove those books. By what authority give them the right to Remove the Word of God?

They refer to the Un-believing Jews of Jamnia, and the new tradition of Martin Luther, Calvin, and others Reformers. They have no authority… Protestantism is a religion founded by men not by God.
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Exactly. Thanks to all the monks who devoted years of work to copy scroll after scroll of papyrus so that the reformation would have a book. To bad they had to defile and twist it to suit false doctrines used to lead sheep astray from sound doctrines like Paul warned about.
 
When did this thread depart from its intent into wandering all over the place?🤷
 
Truthstalker said:
When did this thread depart from its intent into wandering all over the place?🤷
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The topic just move one point to the next. We just try to refute those erroneous claims made against the Church, which actually derail the main topic.
 
Truthstalker said:
When did this thread depart from its intent into wandering all over the place?🤷
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Its apparent that there is no answer to this question and that is precisely the point.

The Church always was and remains visable and singular in its authority.

The Pillar and Foundation of Truth 1Tim 3:15 cannot depart from truth because Jesus preserves it himself dispite the best efforts of men causing scandals from within and men mounting protests from without just as he promised when he said “The gates of hell will not prevail”. Though hell certainly tries, in the end it only serves to Glorify God himself.
 
KatholikosMercy said:
Its apparent that there is no answer to this question and that is precisely the point.

The Church always was and remains visable and singular in its authority.

The Pillar and Foundation of Truth 1Tim 3:15 cannot depart from truth because Jesus preserves it himself dispite the best efforts of men causing scandals from within and men mounting protests from without just as he promised when he said “The gates of hell will not prevail”. Though hell certainly tries, in the end it only serves to Glorify God himself.
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You are attempting to defend a negative.

I think a more robust defense should be mounted against the “wheat and tares” approach I tried. There has always been error in the Church. Some seem to have missed this concept. There will always be error in the Church on earth. Somebody otta go after that one. And not all bishops teach truth. Or are you guys walking away from this one?
 
Truthstalker said:
When did this thread depart from its intent into wandering all over the place?🤷
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I dunno. The OP wanted some answers from Protestants. Apparently there are some over on CARM. He started a thread on CARM. I don’t have the stomach to go over there. Anyone else want to get some of those posts? Let’s look at what they have to say.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
The Word of God. It’s not Scripture. It’s not Tradition.
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The Word of God is Jesus. I know that.

CCC states:

135 “The Sacred Scriptures contain the Word of God and, because they are inspired, they are truly the Word of God” (DV 24).

78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, “the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes.” "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer
 
Ani_Ibi said:
I dunno. The OP wanted some answers from Protestants. Apparently there are some over on CARM. He started a thread on CARM. I don’t have the stomach to go over there. Anyone else want to get some of those posts? Let’s look at what they have to say.
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I did a search on “when was the catholic church wrong” and it gave me the entire forum as the search results. Can anybody narrow it down for me?
 
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