Protestants who believe in the Real Presence: Are they committing idolatry?

[spedteacherita]

Thank you for clarifying, spedteacherita, I was a little confused by your previous post.

Indeed, traditionally adore means worship (latreia in Greek).

I get a little confused, too. Thankfully we have Jon and Don to help us along.

 

[Peter_J]

I get a little confused, too.

Ohhhhhh … so you had a confusion-grudge and wanted to confuse us because we confused you? :ehh:

J/K . But seriously, I think sometimes the way we talk about adoration is confusing for Protestants *and *Catholics. But the bottom line is, we definitely can (and do) worship/adore Christ when he is in the tabernacle as well as when he is in the monstrance.

 

[GKC]

Ohhhhhh … so you had a confusion-grudge and wanted to confuse us because we confused you? :ehh:

J/K . But seriously, I think sometimes the way we talk about adoration is confusing for Protestants *and *Catholics. But the bottom line is, we definitely can (and do) worship/adore Christ when he is in the tabernacle as well as when he is in the monstrance.

As well as when He is present at the Elevation.

 

[ChurchSoldier]

You are correct in that not all Protestants believe Our Lord becomes present under the veil of bread, but I was speaking merely of the Protestants that the original poster referred to that do believe in Our Lord’s presence. I suppose I could have used a less general term, I thought it would be understood in context.

Christ said whenever two or three are gathered, He would be in the midst of them…who are you to say He won’t choose to do it within the species of bread and wine?

 

[ChurchSoldier]

You are correct in that not all Protestants believe Our Lord becomes present under the veil of bread, but I was speaking merely of the Protestants that the original poster referred to that do believe in Our Lord’s presence. I suppose I could have used a less general term, I thought it would be understood in context.

You are correct in that not all Protestants believe Our Lord becomes present under the veil of bread, but I was speaking merely of the Protestants that the original poster referred to that do believe in Our Lord’s presence. I suppose I could have used a less general term, I thought it would be understood in context.

Christ said whenever two or three are gathered, He would be in the midst of them. What is your source to say He won’t choose to do it within the species of bread and wine?

 

[Peter_J]

As well as when He is present at the Elevation.

Right. God is always worthy to be worshipped/adored.

 

[GKC]

Right. God is always worthy to be worshipped/adored.

Amen.

 

[leekonghian]

Many Protestants reject transubstantiation for this main reason:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_adoration

While Catholics/Orthodox Christians believe that the consecrated host actually becomes the literal body and blood of the Lord, many Prostestants, especially Evangelicals, believe that transubstantiation is the height of idolatry, as it leads to Eucharistic adoration, which is the worship or latria (Note that this is not veneration or dulia/hyperdulia) of a piece of bread of which there is no chemical/scientific evidence that it actually becomes flesh or blood, much less that of the Lord.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Eucharistic adoration does involve carrying the consecrated host in a monstrance in procession to be worshipped (ie latria) by the faithful, and that worship not only involves kneeling (genuflection) but also prostrations (lying flat on the ground).

 

[GKC]

Many Protestants reject transubstantiation for this main reason:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_adoration

While Catholics/Orthodox Christians believe that the consecrated host actually becomes the literal body and blood of the Lord, many Prostestants, especially Evangelicals, believe that transubstantiation is the height of idolatry, as it leads to Eucharistic adoration, which is the worship or latria (Note that this is not veneration or dulia/hyperdulia) of a piece of bread of which there is no chemical/scientific evidence that it actually becomes flesh or blood, much less that of the Lord.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Eucharistic adoration does involve carrying the consecrated host in a monstrance in procession to be worshipped (ie latria) by the faithful, and that worship not only involves kneeling (genuflection) but also prostrations (lying flat on the ground).

And, as a very wise Anglican said, to Boswell, on the subject, “Sir, there is no idolatry in the Mass. They believe God to be there, and they adore him”/ Samuel Johnson, not himself a believer in transub.

Given the definition of what occurs, according to transubstantiation, no one would expect there to be a chemical or scientific proof that the substance is become the Blessed Body.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

A doubting monk finds out the reality of transubstantiation:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

 

[GKC]

A doubting monk finds out the reality of transubstantiation:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

Which is not what one would normally expect the consecration of the host to result in.

 

[Peter_J]

Many Protestants reject transubstantiation for this main reason:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_adoration

While Catholics/Orthodox Christians believe that the consecrated host actually becomes the literal body and blood of the Lord, many Prostestants, especially Evangelicals, believe that transubstantiation is the height of idolatry, as it leads to Eucharistic adoration, which is the worship or latria (Note that this is not veneration or dulia/hyperdulia) of a piece of bread of which there is no chemical/scientific evidence that it actually becomes flesh or blood, much less that of the Lord.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Eucharistic adoration does involve carrying the consecrated host in a monstrance in procession to be worshipped (ie latria) by the faithful, and that worship not only involves kneeling (genuflection) but also prostrations (lying flat on the ground).

GKC gave a good answer, but I would like to add: when the sinful woman came to kiss Jesus’ feet, would you conclude that she was worshipping Jesus, or that she was worshipping his feet?

 

[JonNC]

=leekonghian;13713945]Many Protestants reject transubstantiation for this main reason:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_adoration

While Catholics/Orthodox Christians believe that the consecrated host actually becomes the literal body and blood of the Lord, many Prostestants, especially Evangelicals, believe that transubstantiation is the height of idolatry, as it leads to Eucharistic adoration, which is the worship or latria (Note that this is not veneration or dulia/hyperdulia) of a piece of bread of which there is no chemical/scientific evidence that it actually becomes flesh or blood, much less that of the Lord.

Of course it is latria. It is the true and substantial body and blood of Christ. To claim that it has to take a different chemical form is putting Christ’s words to the test, IMO. Lutherans typically shy away from the metaphysical language of transubstantiation or consubstantiation, we don’t believe any less that the bread and wine consecrated by the words and the power of the Holy Spirit, are the true body and blood of Christ.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Eucharistic adoration does involve carrying the consecrated host in a monstrance in procession to be worshipped (ie latria) by the faithful, and that worship not only involves kneeling (genuflection) but also prostrations (lying flat on the ground).

Christ gives us the command to eat and drink His body and blood, for the forgiveness of sins, in remembrance of Him. Again, Lutherans tend to shy away from Eucharistic processions for that very reason, that doesn’t mean what is worshipped by Catholics in Eucharistic adoration isn’t Christ’s body and blood. It is, and therefore worthy of adoration. When I receive, I receive on my knees, in adoration.

Jon