Hi Kellerk. I know this is what you are taught and believe, and Protestants do not hide from history. I find it hard to believe that anything important was left out of scripture, that scripture would not be sufficient as Timothy tells us.
These inspired OT Scriptures Paul is referring to (in Timothy) included the deuterocanonical books I am speaking of, which were removed from the original Hebrew text by the Jews in an attempt to preserve their culture once Christianity began to grow and again when Protestants decided to go by their own interpretations. These text are very important to the traditions of the early christians. Also, there are so many passages in Timothy that would explain to the contrary that Scripture “alone” is sufficient, I don’t think my references would make any difference if you were not willing to be open to the possibility otherwise so, unless requested, I will not reference any of those passages. But I will point out again that the Scriptures do warn us of private interpretation.
Jesus usually cited scripture, and if he mentioned tradition, it was in a negative way. We have strong documentation as to just when the NT was “compiled”. Within a hundred years into the church many books are quoted by church Fathers. Iraneus before 200 AD quotes from most of the 27 books as “scripture”. Origen has the 27 books also (230AD). Again why oral tradition would differ at all from scripture is beyond me .
Mark 16:15; John 20:30 - I repeat - Jesus did many things not written in Scripture. Many times were sources other than scripture used to teach.
Moses wrote our first five books ,100’s of years later, and Jesus does not insinuate Moses missed anything, or that tradition could “enlighten” anything more.
Not “enlightens more”, but brings us to the “fullness of”. Jesus came to fulfill.
Barnabus also says, “Meditate how to save a soul by the Word.” I would suggest God’s “program” with His written word carried over to new testament. As far “missing books”, well the CC does not have them all either .That is she did not include all that were in Septuagaint. She was discerning also. Protestant bibles merely mirror Hebrew bibles, not the Greek Sept.
**In the early days of Christianity, the Hebrew OT was usually read in a Greek translation, ie Septuagint, and are undoubtedly the most accurate literal translations.
Once again, the Hebrew bibles had some of the “original text” removed!!! (I’m refering to the dueterocanonical books) hence prompting the Church to have to discern whether they were inspired, before that it was not in question. At the very least, I would think it would spark your curiousity as to what is in those text and why did they want them removed. **
As you say it is very much scripture laden with one exception, perhaps minor ? The bible is emphatic that God gave us His son. He offered Himself for us. The mass says we offer the Son up to God, the reverse.( " We offer to you, God of Glory and Majesty, this holy and perfect sacrifice the bread of life and cup of eternal salvation". “Look with favor on these offerings (elements about to be changed) and accept them as you once accepted the gifts of your servant Abel and Abraham” - either version, amongst others, could be said at Mass). I believe we offer a sacrifice of praise, of thanksgiving, for His gift /offering to us. They use to call them “love feast’ , and “eucharist” is simply” thanksgiving" in Greek. thanks for listening.
**I do not dispute you on this. What is misunderstood is what is offered up is Redemptive Suffering.
1 Peter 2:9-10 - But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Who in times past were not a people: but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy: but now have obtained mercy.
Our being (non-ministerial) preist means that we make sacrifices, we offer something. The ordained Catholic priest offers, as a representative of Christ, sacrifices at the altar for the atonement of sins, just as the priest in the OT offered sacrifices for the sins of the people. We offer ourselves - our bodies, hearts, praise, gratitude worship, joys, works and our sufferings. Why? Because we are to imitate Him so that we may partake of the divine nature. In order to be Christ-like, we too must take up our cross, accept suffering, and strive to offer Him all. Mt. 5:23-24
1 Peter 2:19-22 - For this is Thankworthy: … Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example that you should follow his steps.
Every mass is “Parusa” (meaning the physical presence) which is described in 2 Maccabees 8:12. Not included in KJV is it? The early christians celebrated mass. Books were read orally, they rose in prayer, exchanged the kiss (peace), bread and wine were brought to the priest, and they gave thanks (Euchristaine). Christ communs with the Church.
Rev 3:20 - “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” Parusa in terms of a meal!
Every part of the mass can be found in scripture “and” can be found in the traditions of the early christians. In fact, the vision of heaven in revelations looks like a mass. (Jesus 2nd Coming) - the Liturgy, Peace, White Robes, High Priest, incense, Chalesses, the Altar, Priest Vestments, Concecrated Celibacy, the Tabernacle, intercession, marriage, Supper of the Lamb, Sabbath. Mass lifts us up to heaven in communion with Jesus.
Thank you for listening!**
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I mean if we are saying the IC contradicts scripture and are going to take it out of context. Lets go all the way right?