Protestants: Why are many of your churches named after saints?

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Not exactly. Cannonized does not mean sent to heaven. It means that we, on earth, can be sure that he is in heaven. Based on that statement, we can say that he is in heaven. However, because of that statement, there is no need to cannonize him, because Jesus outright said he would be in heaven.

Does that make sense?
Yes, except I think the point your missing is that he was cannonized, by Jesus. I think what we have here are two points of view on the same thing… We can say he is cannonized, because we can say for sure, he is in heaven. An uncannonized person, is one whom we have no basis to believe they are necessarly in heaven.
 
Congregational polity. Since bishop is in the Bible, his congregation would not believe that it has to be given through apostolic succession. The biblical pattern, while open to debate obviously, is felt by his church to be just that…congregational polity. If they believed in the episcopal form of government, then obviously that would be the means.
Are you kidding me??? How did people who didn’t have the bible know who was supposed to be a Bishop?? You do realize that the Church existed for almost 400 years with out a bible right? That for 400 years there were whole regions who lacked certain epissles and gosples right? There are whole regions who never would have known that “Bishop” was in the bible, because they lacked St. Pauls writings!!!

You’re another soul who desperatly needs to read Where We Got the Bible… Our Debt to the Catholic Church

Don’t worry, it was written by a (former) Anglican Bishop. He did eventually convert to my side, but I’m told he wrote this while still serving as an Anglican Bishop, or in other words as a Protestant.
 
Yes, except I think the point your missing is that he was cannonized, by Jesus. I think what we have here are two points of view on the same thing… We can say he is cannonized, because we can say for sure, he is in heaven. An uncannonized person, is one whom we have no basis to believe they are necessarly in heaven.
Actually, I am not. Canonization is a pronouncement made by the Church. One made by Christ is NOT the same.

We can say he is in heaven because Jesus said he would be. He is a saint. Had Jesus not outright said it, he would need to be canonized.

You are right on the last point. Someone who is not canonized may or may not be in heaven, we have no way to know
 
Are you kidding me??? How did people who didn’t have the bible know who was supposed to be a Bishop?? You do realize that the Church existed for almost 400 years with out a bible right? That for 400 years there were whole regions who lacked certain epissles and gosples right? There are whole regions who never would have known that “Bishop” was in the bible, because they lacked St. Pauls writings!!!

You’re another soul who desperatly needs to read Where We Got the Bible… Our Debt to the Catholic Church

Don’t worry, it was written by a (former) Anglican Bishop. He did eventually convert to my side, but I’m told he wrote this while still serving as an Anglican Bishop, or in other words as a Protestant.
The church always had part of the Bible; you do realize that right? In fact the NT quotes it at length. On another note, you have no proof that whole regions lacked the gospels. No one can prove that. It is proving a negative. But go ahead and try. Pick a region and prove they did not have one of the gospels since you have stated it as fact. Is there a list of canonical books from Corinth circa 125 AD? No of course not.
Finally, Bishop was a common term for the leader of the early church at the local level. Bishops chosen by the congregation they served.
Until the sixth century the clergy and the people elected the bishop on condition that the election should be approved by the neighbouring bishops. Undoubtedly, the Christian Roman emperors sometimes intervened in these election, but outside the imperial cities only, and generally in the case of disagreement as to the proper person.
As a rule they contented themselves with exercising an influence on the electors. But from the beginning of the sixth century, this attitude was modified. In the East the clergy and the primates, or chief citizens, nominated three candidates from whom the metropolitan chose the bishop. At a later date, the bishops of the ecclesiastical province assumed the exclusive right of nominating the candidates.
 
The apostles are all Catholics – the early Church is still with us today, now known as the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox Church also has never been separated from the original Church established by our Lord.
Huh?
 
Help me here then.
How do you know who is a saint? There is no such thing as a protestant saint. If you don’t accept Catholic teaching what reasons, do you suppose, are used in naming a church after a Catholic.
Please note: I’m not trying to start an argument. I’d just like to hear thoughts and opinions about something that has puzzled me.
Some Anglicans believe that King Charles I of England was a Saint.

Many Protestants believe that there are saints, but not Saints. They see Christians as saints.
 
Some Anglicans believe that King Charles I of England was a Saint.

Many Protestants believe that there are saints, but not Saints. They see Christians as saints.
The most famous two Anglican martyrs were Thomas Cranmer who was burnt for being protestant and King Charles I who was martyred for being Catholic.
 
Why do protestants have saints who are ‘Catholic’ becuase we believe in on holy apostolic ‘catholic’ church.

As a result, to be honest, I think this thread is four pages of straining gnats and swallowing camels.
 
I think you will find the vast majority, if not all, protestant churches that are named after saints are named after the apostles. St. Mark, St. Matthew, St. Luke, St. John, St. Paul, St. Peter. You are not likely to find a St. Bernadette or a St. Clare Lutheran or Methodist Church
Mark and Luke aren’t apostles 😃
 
After all, God is going to weigh St. Peter’s prayers more heavily than those of a sinner on earth such as my self.
Do you really believe that? And does the Catholic church teach that? If so, I’m quite glad I dropped out of RCIA.
 
Help me here then.
How do you know who is a saint? There is no such thing as a protestant saint. If you don’t accept Catholic teaching what reasons, do you suppose, are used in naming a church after a Catholic.
Please note: I’m not trying to start an argument. I’d just like to hear thoughts and opinions about something that has puzzled me.
Well, to a protestant, any Christian is a “Saint.”
 
**Protestants DEFINE the word “saint” the SAME way the Bible does **

read that again:

Protestants use the Biblical definition of the word saint:
Can you imagine that?:

Believers (dead or alive ) in Christ

By what authority did the RCC change the definition of a Biblical word?

Yes, some Protestant Churhes are named after famous people in the Bible


gotquestions.org/saints-Christian.html
or

http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?t=2&q=saints&b=drb

1 Corinthians 1

2 To the church of God that is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that invoke the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, in every place of theirs and ours.

Philippians 4

22 The brethren who are with me, salute you. All the saints salute you; especially they that are of Caesar’s household.

etc etc
 
I don’t even know what you mean.

Are you trying to say that you don’t like to be called Roman Catholics ,What about the Catholic Church in Rome?

Just rephrase the question to whatever politically correct name you want: why don’t the Catholics use the Biblical definition of “saint”?
 
The church always had part of the Bible; you do realize that right? In fact the NT quotes it at length. On another note, you have no proof that whole regions lacked the gospels. No one can prove that. It is proving a negative. But go ahead and try. Pick a region and prove they did not have one of the gospels since you have stated it as fact. Is there a list of canonical books from Corinth circa 125 AD? No of course not.
Your post is confusing. Either you are saying that the NT quotes the OT (which makes no point in this discussion) or that the Bible (NT) quotes itself (which is weird and proves no point either). Which is it? Also, you have no proof that certain regions like Corinth HAD all the canonical Gospels either. They might have had apocryphal ones, or none and only a letter. It goes both ways.
 
hilarious yes , but it is like insisting Columbus discovered America, as if no one knew it was there . It’s like saying “you wouldn’t even have America if it wasn’t for Christopher Columbus”

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FYI: :Catholics don’t convince anyone when the say they gave us us the Bible: Prots don’t believe it: at least not your version of the history of the canonization of the Bible.
Try ANY non-CC source.
Feel free to start a different thread for that discussion.

Yes or no: Biblically, can saints be believers who are living?

So back to the Original Post and the first few after that:

Prots by using the Biblical definition of saints , sometimes name their churches after famous people of the Bible
 
Can you dirrect us to any of these non-Catholic sources for the canonization of the books of the Bible? I would be interested to see what other church put it together.
 
Can you dirrect us to any of these non-Catholic sources for the canonization of the books of the Bible? I would be interested to see what other church put it together.
  • it is off topic but you asked*
Note ALL the dates that are prior to 540 AD

all quotes below from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament
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“Contrary to popular misconception, the New Testament canon was not summarily decided in large, bureaucratic church council meetings, but rather developed over many centuries.”**

One of the earliest attempts at solidifying a canon was made by Marcion, c. 140 AD, who accepted only a modified version of Luke (Gospel of Marcion) and ten of Paul’s letters

The oldest clear endorsement of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John being the only legitimate gospels was written c. 180 AD. It was a claim made by Bishop Irenaeus in his polemic Against the Heresies, for example III.XI.8:

“It appears that the books that finally were canonized are those that enjoyed a **special status and were utilized both frequently and universally **by the church.”​

Development of the New Testament canon
Main article: Development of the New Testament canon

The writings attributed to the apostles circulated amongst the earliest Christian communities. **The Pauline epistles were circulating in collected form by the end of the first century AD. **Justin Martyr, in the early second century, mentions the “memoirs of the apostles,” which Christians called “gospels” and which were regarded as on par with the Old Testament.[2] A four gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was in place by the time of Irenaeus, c. 160, who refers to it directly.[3] He also quotes and cites 21 books that would end up as part of the New Testament, the excluded ones being Philemon, Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 3 John and Jude.[4] By the early 200’s, Origen of Alexandria may have been using the same 27 books as in the modern New Testament, though there were still disputes over the canonicity of Hebrews, James, II Peter, II and III John, and Revelation[5], see also Antilegomena. Likewise by 200 the Muratorian fragment shows that there existed a set of Christian writings somewhat similar to what is now the New Testament, which included four gospels and argued against objections to them.[6] Thus, while there was a good measure of debate in the Early Church over the New Testament canon, the major writings were accepted by almost all Christian authorities by the middle of the second century.[7]

In his Easter letter of 367, Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books as what would become the New Testament canon,[8] and he used the word “canonized” (kanonizomena) in regards to them.[9] The African Synod of Hippo, in 393, approved the New Testament, as it stands today, together with the Septuagint books, a decision that was confirmed by Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419. These councils were under the authority of St. Augustine, who regarded the canon as already closed.[10] Pope Damasus I’s Council of Rome in 382, if the Decretum Gelasianum is correctly associated with it, issued a biblical canon identical to that mentioned above,[11] or if not the list is at least a sixth century compilation.[12] Likewise, Damasus’s commissioning of the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible, circa 383, was instrumental in the fixation of the canon in the West.[13] In 405, Pope Innocent I sent a list of the sacred books to a Gallic bishop, Exsuperius of Toulouse. When these bishops and councils spoke on the matter, however, they were not defining something new, but instead "were ratifying what had already become the mind of the Church."14]
*The Jews knew what was inspired of God and they recognized what God had inspired. That is what those who are of God do.

In the same way:

The Early Christins recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it.
This is a very important point.
The Christians recognize what God has inspired and pronounces that recognition.
In other words, it discovers what is already authentic. Jesus said “my sheep hear my voice and they follow me…” (John 10:27). The church hears the voice of Christ; that is, it recognizes what is inspired and it follows the word.

That is what those who are of God do.*
So I will repeat:

The Church gave the stamp of approval on what was already generally accepted.
 
I couldn’t have said it better myself. All of the churches, bishops and Fathers of the Church you listed were all the Catholic Church. There is no denying it. Even Irenaeus was one of the earliest writers to refer to the Church as Catholic. So yes, the Church accepted it, used it and when councils came around they verified what had been going on and CLOSED the canon so that no new writings could be added to the list. Every church would use the same materials everywhere. 👍
 
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